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From: Arlingtron Virginia
Posted: 2006-02-23 9:52 pm   Permalink

I bought one of these at HF for $12.99 last week. It works very well. I don't think it's UL approved though.

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Benzart
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Posted: 2006-02-28 11:39 am   Permalink

THis is about the Flex shaft carvers and How to Hold/ mount/hang them for use. If you are on a bench, the tall adjustable hangar works well attatched to the bench, but what do you do when not at the bench?? I have been asked the question more than a few times and I have not, until now , thought of Anything to use to keep it from rolling off the table or log or whatever place you are carving.

I just remembered an Old photographers trick and I think it will work well. I'm going to make a sand-bag large enough for the flex-shaft motor to sit in securely. I think it will be portable enough and it willbe small enough to get the job done whereever I want it to be placed.

On another note, I have the new Foredom recip handpiece that I got for Christmas,, in fact I have 2 of them and they have almost become useless. I noticed that everytime I opened the thing up, the cam gears were very dry. What seems to be happening is that they are wearing prepaturely. Also I believe the spring is not powerful enough and needs to be updated. Foredom sent a pick-up order to UPS who came by today to get both my handpieces. They are sending me 2 replacements which should arrive any day.
SO, If you have the foredom,and it has lost its power, here is their E-Mail:
custserv@blackstoneind.com .
Send them a note about your #50C, Recip Handpiece explaining what is happening. You may want to open it up (instructions on the user sheet that came with it) and make sure it has the proper amount of grease,(also in the notes). They should send you a replacement or at least the repalcement cams and bearings.

Thats it for today.
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Loki
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Posted: 2006-02-28 1:19 pm   Permalink

wow, Benz, thanks for the heads up on the #50C. I dont use it anywhere near as much as you do, but i will keep a vigil eye on the grease now that you told us about it. Good to know they are taking care of you.

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Eric
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Posted: 2006-03-10 05:51 am   Permalink

I am about to buy a foredom type rotary with handpeice set up,and I am confused by how many different types there are.
i have never used one,but I want to get a good one.
Could any of you guys tell me a specific model you would choose?
In otherwords.Benzart if you were going to buy one tomorrow and wanted a good all around machine for the stuff you do,which one would you choose?
I need details like length of cable to handpeice,type of hand peice,acceseries etc.
I don't mind paying extra for a particularly nice unit,but am bewildered by the many types.
If you guys help me,I promise to remember you when I'm rich and famous.


 
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Benzart
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Posted: 2006-03-10 06:09 am   Permalink

Hey Eric, Welcome to TC.
You are right about too many to choose. If you want the best flaxshaft, then get
THIS One . If you are going to get a reciprocating handpiece to go with it, I'm torn between the Foredom #50 and the Weecher model also found here in Treeline.
Hope this helps and Enjoy your tools.
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Posted: 2006-03-10 06:42 am   Permalink

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On 2006-02-28 11:39, Benzart wrote:
I'm going to make a sand-bag large enough for the flex-shaft motor to sit in securely. I think it will be portable enough and it willbe small enough to get the job done whereever I want it to be placed.



Hey Ben! Is there any danger of covering up vents when laying the tool down into the sandbag? That might be bad ... mine gets pretty hot just hanging up from the basement rafters while in use...
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Posted: 2006-03-10 07:52 am   Permalink

Thanks Ben. I just ordered their catalog.
I wanted to add, have you Benzie, considered teaching and traveling this great country to pass on your helpful tricks and techniques to the rest of us? You could make a good living, see the country AND help learned us.
I've scheduled the Sacramento show this spring to see their product. The demos are the best way to see and learn and then buy. Considering we don't know what to buy or how it's used.
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Benzart
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Posted: 2006-03-10 09:15 am   Permalink

I may consider going to a few locations for some carving instruction. I will think about this and lets hear some input from other carvers. How would I do this thing? Ofcourse it would only take an hour or so to tell everything I know..
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Posted: 2006-03-10 10:49 am   Permalink

You could work for Treeline, The Woodcrafting Specialists. The website is a little confusing. It says "Visit us at our new location, (just down the street from our old location)", but it doesn't say where old or new is. Click on classes and it doesn't say where either.
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Eric
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Posted: 2006-03-11 06:59 am   Permalink

Thanks Benzart,I guess I will get that one then.
A couple of related questions:
In a carving book I just read(carving driftwood), the author suggested that the longer the handpeice cable is,the most flexible/useable it is.
As I said,I have never touched one before,Is that something I should look into about that model,or should I just buy it as is.
I am left handed,so the reversing feature will really be handy.
Another thing I've noticed is that alot of other units have bigger motors.Is bigger better?Or is it necessary to spin these little bits?
I always thought that the reciprocating feature was just some lame gimmick,but from what I'm reading,it sounds like you guys like them.Maybe I will get a handpeice and a set of flexcut bits also.


 
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Benzart
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Posted: 2006-03-11 07:33 am   Permalink

Eric, you will find that as usual, More power IS Better. There will be times when you will newed more As far as the shaft being Flexible, there are some that are very flexible, but they also break more readily. Foredom makes some handpieces with a Flex-Spring on the end that really helps. They also make a Flex spring extender that you would put on the end of your shaft and the handpiece connects to it for a more comfortable carving session. Major drawback it its cost of $65.00.
Wecheer makes one seen
Here for $17.95. Bargain! Get it!I have one and it is GREAT Or you can get it Directly from Wecheer for $16.00 here: "You may purchase from us directly.
WE26577 Duplex Extender @US$16.00
Shipping fee US$5.00
Total US$21.00

Please mail a check (pay to Yen-Hui Lai) to:
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On using the flexshaft left-handed, if you use the reverse motor, amke sure you are using a bit that cuts both ways, AND the Recip carver Must only go in the Forward direction.
Hope all this helps.
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Eric
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Posted: 2006-03-13 06:53 am   Permalink

OK,After a google session I have found out that foredom makes 1/4 and 1/3rd horsepower units which don't go in reverse,but have alot more power than the one in Benzarts link.
So now my quandry is:
Twice as much power vs reverse capibility.Which is a better choice??
How benificial is reverse?
I would like to be able to rough out with it,but don't want to lose detail capability.
I also noticed foredom has a benchtop mounting bracket instead of the tall pole thing.It seems like that would do the job of the sandbag set up.I wonder if the weecher reciprocating handpeice will last longer than the Foredom with the problem with grease?I guess with the foredom,it would be prudent to open it up and grease it upon receiving it.
Do the 2 brands interchange?
I have the money burning a hole in my pocket,but I'm trying to think this out before buying one of them.


 
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Benzart
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Posted: 2006-03-13 09:40 am   Permalink

Personally I believe the reverse would be Great. I Don't have it but Need it on Many occasions. When you are working on a carving with a Carbide rough-out bit on one side of the carving you are working against the grain and to have the ability to reverse the cut would work Magic. Get the reversable. The extra power is not a big deal. The wecheer and Foredom use all the same chisels and the Wecheer has more power. You should Not use Either for roughing out, only for detail, so it's a toss-up. I now have one of each which works well for me. All the Flexcut power chisels work with either. I would lean toward the Wecheer, and Treeline is Very generous with their replacement policy, so neither would give you much long term grief. Also if you order the flexcut chisels , call the order in and ask for the discount if ordering 5 or more pieces. Don't forget to tell them I sent you.
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Eric
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Posted: 2006-03-13 10:09 am   Permalink

OK youv'e sold me!I will get the reversable one.Thanks alot for the help!

 
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tikigap
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Posted: 2006-03-15 6:49 pm   Permalink

Hey Ben,

I looked thru this list and a few others and cannot find any references to scorps. While working on my palm tree, I think I have a couple of applications for scorps - you know - under cuts against the grain, or even with the grain for that matter, which might be accomplished easier with a scorp.

Can you comment on these tools? Do you use them? Is there always another way to dig out from under, without a scorp? I have two particular details in that dumb palm tree that would seem to lend themselves to a couple of flexcut scorps, and I'm wondering if I should buy them. Since I quit smoking, the wahine would not object to me buying a couple more tools, instead of a carton of marlboros. What do you think?

Thanks,

Your humble student,

TG


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