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Peterdragon
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Posted: 2004-11-08 10:26 pm   Permalink

I cant begin to tell you all how happy I am to have found this site and how helpful the information here is it will defenitly shorten my learning curve. I thought I was all alone sitting out in my shed carving tikis. Thanks again for the inspiration.

 
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Benzart
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Posted: 2004-11-09 06:37 am   Permalink

Welcome Peterdragon, nice tohave you aboard.
Don't be afraid to post some pictures of your work, we Really want to See it. If you need help posting pioc's either look up in Help/faq's where there is a whole section on it, or ask anyone here and we will help.
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Benzart
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Posted: 2005-01-14 07:19 am   Permalink

Good time to Bump this up.

 
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Aaron's Akua
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Joined: Jul 09, 2004
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From: Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
Posted: 2005-01-14 2:01 pm   Permalink

I've been meaning to share these tools that have really worked well for me.



They're called "Rifflers" and are usually used for stone sculpture with some of the "softer" stones like soapstone and alabaster. I was interested in stone carving before I started in with wood, and these worked also particularly well for my AAC block sculptures. With all of the different shapes, they fit well within the various nooks & crannies. Although they are made for stone work, they also work well for rough-shaping wood, before you get to the course (60 grit) sanding stage. This set is course, but they also come medium and fine. This is a cheap Chinese set and cost me only about $14.00 for the entire set. The better ones are Italian, and will cost a bit more.

Here is a link to some wood rifflers at The Woodcarving Store.

http://www.woodcarvingstore.com/FilesandRifflers/Rifflers.asp

These are even cheaper at only $10.95 for a set of 8. You might want to give them a try.

Cheers!

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McTiki
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Joined: Aug 22, 2004
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From: Sunny Florida
Posted: 2005-01-31 09:33 am   Permalink

Check these out...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4353973366&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

I bought one during the holidays, took the tip protector off and re-riveted it together. It is an awesome tool for under 50 scheckles. It doesn't have as much torque as my 16 inch electric and won't cut my leg off like the 20 inch gas powered. Nice even speed for about 15 minutes per charge and gets into smaller places quite nicely. I am getting another just for the battery/charger so I can rotate them out. Mahalo


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Benzart
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Posted: 2005-01-31 2:38 pm   Permalink

McTiki, I can see where that saw could really be a valuable assett. When I first saw the tool in a catalog, I laughed and said "What would you cut with that" then I started thinking, "eyes, noses, brow lines, teeth" Thanks for posting this.
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Aaron's Akua
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Posted: 2005-01-31 10:10 pm   Permalink

That looks pretty trick, McTiki. Let us know how it holds up & how it works for you. Could be nice for tight work, up close.
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McTiki
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Joined: Aug 22, 2004
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From: Sunny Florida
Posted: 2005-02-01 04:15 am   Permalink

I have been using it since November. It hasn't given me any problems yet. It cuts like butter on palmwood and Bamboo.
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Aaron's Akua
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From: Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
Posted: 2005-03-01 12:51 pm   Permalink

A new carver named "Palama Tiki" emailed me the other day asking what kind of tools work best for AAC Block sculpture. He lives in Florida, and apparently convinced a nearby AAC Mfr to give him a free sample. So, here you go, Jeff. AAC Block carves up nicely, so now we're all expecting to see some pix from you soon.

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TOOLS FOR CARVING AAC BLOCK

You can get most of your rough featues worked out with a common wood saw. It's best to do the profile first. The blocks are perfectly flat, which makes it easy to scribe the features. I used a paper template, and just flipped it over to make both sides exact. Once you've got the profile, work on the front plane. As a new carver, this really helped me to understand going from 2-D sketches to 3-D sculpture.



The "Surform" works really well for rough rounding of the features. Think of it like a little cheese grater.





Old jacked up chisels work great. Don't use any "good" tools on this stuff. It's totally unnecessary.



Except for these - "Stone Rifflers", which are really "good" tools for AAC. They ran me about $14. Make sure & get the LARGE ones from some type of stone sculptue tool supplier (NOT the ones shown in link I posted about 4 posts back. I returned 2 of the 3 sets that I bought from that place. they were tiny, cheap, and not what I was expecting. Still waiting on the refund.)



Other than that, just dig through your tool chest. Use files, rasps, chisels, etc.

DEFINITELY wear a mask, and not those little paper ones, either. Get a good one with filters on it. This stuff is really messy, and the dust flies everywhere.

Sandpaper will add the final touches and smooth everything out. 60 or 80 grit should work fine. I don't think I'd bother going any finer than that.



I never tried these, because I did all my AAC sculptures before I picked an air compressor. But I think stones & burrs used with a die grinder would make quick work of it. I'll let you know after I do my next AAC project.


After it's all done & sanded, blow it off real good and apply some concrete sealer. This Jasco sealer also had a "fluorescent" effect, making the AAC look all nice & pearly white. AAC is full of tiny bubbles, so when you're done, the surface should have a "corally" look.



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Jeff, if you have any more questions on AAC let me know. Same goes for anyone else who is interested in trying their hand at this fun carving material.

Cheers!

A-A


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Palama Tiki
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Joined: Mar 01, 2005
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From: Lake Wales, Florida
Posted: 2005-03-01 1:20 pm   Permalink

Aaron:

Thanks for the post and all your help on the AAC! Pretty amazing that you used a wood saw to rough it out.. i had been looking at stone carving sites today, and saw how they roughed out the shapes with point and tooth chisels, using a cross-hatch method to chip away the stone.
Did you use the cross-hatch method when chiseling on the AAC, or a different technique?

Thanks for the heads-up on the tool site as well; i had already bookmarked it.

Also, do you know how the AAC would take paint or stain? I'm thinking of doing a Mayan carving for my daughter, and I'd like to age the stone, but since it's so porous, i'm concerned about controlling the paint or stain application.

Thanks again to you, Aaron, and all the carvers on this site; i've been lurking for a couple weeks and decided to jump on. i have one palmwood tiki complete, and am finishing up another. These are test beds for honing whatever skills i have, then i'm going to try out a larger queen palm.

Aaron's Akua said that queen is pretty fibrous; any helpful hints on carving up a queen?

Thanks again!


 
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Palama Tiki
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From: Lake Wales, Florida
Posted: 2005-03-02 05:41 am   Permalink

A-A:

Do you have any additional in-process photos of the AAC carvings? I'd be interested in seeing some of the transitional work.

Thanks again!


 
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Aaron's Akua
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Posted: 2005-03-02 1:01 pm   Permalink

Palama,

To answer a few of your questions:

1) Don't use those point and tooth chisels on the AAC. In fact, don't even look at it like stone. Those chisels are used for real stone like alabaster, marble, and such. Autoclaved Aerated Concrete (AAC) is a very lightweight concrete that is baked in an oven (autoclave) like a loaf of bread - hence all the little bubbles (aerated). You could literally scratch it with your fingernail if you tried real hard. The trick is to carve it in a way that you don't end up with sharp edges or thin features that can be damaged. Put the sealer on when you're done & it will be fine.

2) I tried some concrete stain on a sample piece with bad results - it ended up looking like I used a magic marker on some styrofoam. I have heard that it does paint up well though. I'd test it on a sample waste piece first.

3) Queen Palm can be carvable with great results! I didn't think so, but I remembered this post by Benzart on TikiRex's work. Check it out:

http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=13235&forum=7

4) I've not yet done a step-by-step on an AAC sculpture in the making. Good idea though! I'll do something on the next one after I finish a couple of wood pieces that are at the top of my list right now.

A-A

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Palama Tiki
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Posted: 2005-03-02 1:25 pm   Permalink

A-A:

thanks again for all the good advice. i've only got one free block, so i have to get it right the first time, otherwise it's $160.00 for a pallet of 60 blocks. In researching the AAC process, I saw that a guy was using a bandsaw to cut pieces for a staircase that he built out of AAC.

Looks like TikiRex makes the most out of the queens, so that gives me something to shoot for.

I'll try to get some photos up some time next week.


 
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McTiki
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From: Sunny Florida
Posted: 2005-03-15 5:55 pm   Permalink

Got this in the mail today for the 4" angle grinder...OH MY GOSH !!! CUTS SO SMOOTH THERE'S ALMOST NO NEED FOR SANDING !!! WHOA!!! SPENT TEN MIUTES WIRH A LARGE LOG AND HOGGED OUT A ONE SIDED FACE FEARURE LIKE IT WAS BUTTER !!! PICS COMING SOON !!!


Don't try to guide this tool with yer fingers!!! It's got the Mojo for cutting anything in it's path... cleanly.
Serious and safe folks only for this tool.


It's called a Lancelot blade from King Arthur tools.

Mahalo.... From the currently stoked ! I now know what alot of you have known for a long while!!! Hear my footsteps !!!
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Aaron's Akua
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From: Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
Posted: 2005-03-23 12:42 pm   Permalink

Yes, the Lancelot is a great tool - I'm super happy with mine.

I found this
"tranparent" disc at Treelineusa.com.



It looks pretty cool. Has anyone here used one of these? It's $100, so I thought I'd ask around before shelling out the bucks.

A-A
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