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Tiki Finds
Mai Tai
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Joined: Mar 21, 2004
Posts: 1437
From: Exotic Isle of Alameda
Posted: 2009-03-19 04:12 am   Permalink

Here's my find for the day/week/month/century - the carved doors to the original Trader Vic's building on 6500 San Pablo Avenue in Oakland.



The person on the left in the picture above is Kier Fullmer, manager of the Trader Vic's warehouse (although a lot of you already know that), and we're standing with the narrower of the two doors. Upon hearing that I picked up these doors off of Craigslist, she was dubious at best that they were the real doors (as were Midnite, Notch, and most others that I relayed the story to). To be quite honest, I was dubious as well. The doors had been listed at least twice on Craigslist last year, once right after the Trader Vic's warehouse sale, and again last fall. The listing seemed a little odd, as they were described as being from the Emeryville location:
Pair of hand carved tiki doors - (oakland hills / mills)
Pair of hand carved tiki doors. These doors came from the original Trader Vic's in Emeryville. The larger door measures 36 inches by 80 inches. The smaller door, 26 inches by 80 inches. Both are very heavy.

So I decided to check it out. I figured that at best I might be checking out some doors that came from somewhere in the interior of the current Trader Vic's on 9 Anchor Drive in Emeryville, and at worst they would make a nice entry for my home bar.

When I contacted the seller, I asked her if she had a back story for the doors, and indeed she did. To her knowledge, the original Trader Vic's location at 6500 San Pablo Avenue was closed and relocated to it's current location at 9 Anchor Drive around 1970 or 1971 (sounds about right). The owner of a bar over on Telegraph Avenue and 23rd knew Vic Bergeron, and bought the doors off of him, and then hung them on his bar, Cabel's Reef. (I have no idea if Cabel's Reef was a tiki bar or not at the time, but my nephew lived in an apartment above Cabel's Reef around 8 years ago, and at that time it catered to the LGBT community). The doors remained on the building until late 2007, when Cabel's Reef was sold to it's current owner. She changed the name to The Vibe lounge, and did some heavy remodeling and redecorating. She removed the doors, and they've been in her garage ever since. She was wondering what to do with them. and had been thinking about cutting them up, and turning them into table tops!

Upon seeing the doors, I was both excited and disappointed. Excited, because after seeing a bunch of the more vintage carvings at the Trader Vic's warehouse sale last year, these doors immediately jumped out as being authentic carvings that fit right in with all of the other decor that the company would have been using at the time. I had a really good feeling at first glance. But I was disappointed too, because the doors were tagged up fairly heavily with graffiti, which was not prevalent at all on the photos on Craigslist, as seen below:




When I asked the seller why the photos in the ad didn't show any graffiti, she said that the pictures were taken the day she bought the bar, and when she went back the next day to remove the doors, they had already been tagged. (Since the graffiti is black and pink in color, I wonder if it was done by a customer and/or employee that was disgruntled that Cabel's Reef closed, and marked it just like the ol' Lincoln's Address folks changed the name on Forbidden Island's license application notice to "Brokeback Island"?)

Anyways, I decided to buy the doors, graffiti or no graffiti. I was able to fit the smaller of the two doors in the trunk of my car, when the rear seat was folded down, and Midnite journeyed over to the East Bay the next day to help me pick up the larger heavier one. Then we celebrated with Val's Burgers.



Midnite and I brought the smaller of the two doors over to the Trader Vic's warehouse a few days later, and met Notch there. When Kier examined it, she immediately could tell that the door was very very old. She had speculated over the phone that they could be carved teak, but when she saw it she ruled out teak right away. She thought that they might be carved out of ironwood, and brought over one of her woodworking specialists, Javier, who confirmed that they were indeed ironwood, and indeed very old. All of the original hand carved tooling marks are still extremely visible. The original finish is still on the top 5 inches or so of the top of the doors, where they were most sheltered from the elements, and the finish gradually fades away until it is completely worn off two thirds of the way down.

In Kier's opinion, due to the age, materials, carving pattern, tooling marks, and the fact that one door is wider than the other, that these are indeed the original doors to the original Trader Vic's location at 6500 San Pablo Avenue. We haven't figured out exactly how far back they date, but it definitely would have been post Hinky Dinks, perhaps in the early 1950's. I'm waiting for the corporate office to try to find some type of photo to 100% validate this claim, but so far all of the photos show the building with the doors open.

And for you urban archaeologists, here is where the doors were hung at Cabel's Reef/The Vibe Lounge:



The original Trader Vic's location at 6500 San Pablo Avenue:


A Hinky Dink's photo for comparison:


Artist rendering of the original Trader Vic's:


9 Ancor Drive, where the doors definitely were NOT mounted. Neither here:


Nor here:


So as I await some kind of photo from the good folks at Trader Vic's, I need to figure out how to remove the grafitti without harming what's left of the original finish or the wood. Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. Maybe I should start a thread for those recommendations in "Creating Tiki". I'll post more close up photos later - these doors are really heavy, and not easy to move around. Until then, let the spirited debate ensue!

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uncle trav
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Joined: Apr 27, 2005
Posts: 2230
From: Kalamazoo
Posted: 2009-03-19 04:55 am   Permalink

Great find and story. Good detective work too. Those must have come from a big ironwood tree. We have some in my area. They used it to make axles for wagons and was very heavy and very strong. That stuff is like iron.

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leleliz
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Joined: Sep 02, 2008
Posts: 1981
From: NorCal
Posted: 2009-03-19 08:25 am   Permalink

Hey Mai Tai that ad ran on CL about 9 times. I watch CL like a hawk so I am glad you paid a better price than what they were originally posted for

What a bust though that they were tagged. Can you imagine making a trip from someplace like SoCal to get them and then seeing then NOT in the condition of the picture? At least they were somewhat local for you.

I have no idea how to remove the tags but what do you plan on doing with them?

When I first saw them I thought 1 would make an awesome dinning table (just get a piece of glass to fit over it to protect the surface) and the other maybe a buffet or just hung on the wall.

Hope you haggled with her after seeing the door condition but glad they are authentic and went to someone who would appreciate them (and hopefully be able to restore them!)

**by the way...nice close up of the burger! ha!

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Kikkietiki
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Joined: Nov 09, 2006
Posts: 89
From: Hollister, CA
Posted: 2009-03-19 08:34 am   Permalink

What about contacting your local city maintenance crew and see what they use for graffiti abatement? They must deal with removing graffiti from wood.

 
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Fres-tiki
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Joined: Mar 11, 2007
Posts: 110
From: Fresno, CA
Posted: 2009-03-20 12:43 am   Permalink

Congratulations on picking up those doors! I'm glad someone was able to save them. Thanks for sharing those pics and all the background work you've done so far!

 
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atomictonytiki
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Joined: May 14, 2002
Posts: 1290
From: Bangkok
Posted: 2009-03-20 01:53 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2009-03-19 04:12, Mai Tai wrote:
folks changed the name on Forbidden Island's license application notice to "Brokeback Island"?)



Now that's Laugh out Loud funny.

I'd go to a professional furniture restorer for advice on removing the paint from wood, city cleaners aren't to concerned about leaving the surface over clean when they remove paint.


 
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bigbrotiki
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 11584
From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
Posted: 2009-03-20 08:58 am   Permalink

Wow, what an odyssey these doors had! I know of people who were TRYING to buy them, one even PAID for them and never gottem, and then had to wait for months to get his money back.

And good to see where the Trader Vic's S.F. doors ended up:


I never knew, which just goes to show how seldom I get up there.






 
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freddiefreelance
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Joined: Feb 15, 2003
Posts: 3006
From: San Diego, Ca.
Posted: 2009-03-20 12:57 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2009-03-20 01:53, atomictonytiki wrote:
Quote:

On 2009-03-19 04:12, Mai Tai wrote:
folks changed the name on Forbidden Island's license application notice to "Brokeback Island"?)



Now that's Laugh out Loud funny.

I'd go to a professional furniture restorer for advice on removing the paint from wood, city cleaners aren't to concerned about leaving the surface over clean when they remove paint.


I'll second this suggestion, and check with your local Art Restorer, too; they can be found through Art Museums or Galleries that specialize in older works.
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Tipsy McStagger
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Joined: Nov 21, 2004
Posts: 3673
From: HELL
Posted: 2009-03-20 2:23 pm   Permalink


are you sure those aren't front doors from a kon tiki ports???

the carving style doesn't seem to fit the stuff found at old trader vics...i could be wrong.


anyway, take those to a professional wood stripper and get them stripped and restained and they will look beautiful no matter what you do with them,,,


 
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Psycho Tiki D
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Joined: Oct 13, 2006
Posts: 1840
From: The river Styx, can you pay the toll?
Posted: 2009-03-20 2:45 pm   Permalink

Congrats on the purchase Bill, gotta love pedigree!

Made a stop today, though nothing as grandeur as Mai Tai's find...


10" Coco Joe's Lono Hapawood tiki, first one I have found that looks like wood.



Postcards from Hawaii, including The Kona Inn and The Kauai Surf Hotel.


A bunch of Disneyland postcards today, including these two of the gates outside of Adventureland.

I never intended on collecting records again, but I seem to finding so many lately...


"Tamure Tahiti, Charles Mauu, His Coconut Uke and Roche's Tahitians".




Don Ho albums, "Don Ho-Again! Recorded Live In Hawaii", "Tiny Bubbles", mono version, "Don Ho & Aliis".



Repeats of Martin Denny's "Hypnotique" and "Exotica".


"Hawaiian Favorites, Alfred Apaka with Danny Stewart's Hawaiians".


"The Magic Islands Revisited, Axel Stordahl and His Orchestra and Chorus".

Booklet with this picture of a tiki from the International Market Place...



Les Baxter's "The Sacred Idol", "Strange and Exotic Music Keyed to the Mysterious Legends of the Feathered Serpent of the Aztecs" "From the motion picture "Sacred Idol" Produced by Edward Nassour".

Later,

PTD



 
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alohacurrent
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Joined: Jun 16, 2006
Posts: 238
From: Sacramento
Posted: 2009-03-20 3:03 pm   Permalink

That's one of the best looking burgers EVER!! JK Bill. Thanks for not showing the graffiti that would just be painful to see, but keep us updated when you get them restored to full glory.

 
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rat tiki
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Joined: Mar 20, 2009
Posts: 3
Posted: 2009-03-20 3:06 pm   Permalink

I just picked up a "Shag Toes on the Nose" stand-up cardboard tiki sign from "Junkman's Daughter" here in Atlanta for $5. It's hard to find Tiki items in the southeast--but now and then I score a cool mug or glass. I picked these up last month...


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croe67
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Joined: Jan 05, 2003
Posts: 1180
From: Texas Tikiland
Posted: 2009-03-20 3:32 pm   Permalink

Nice pick up, mai tai. Lookin forward to what kier digs up

 
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leleliz
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Joined: Sep 02, 2008
Posts: 1981
From: NorCal
Posted: 2009-03-20 4:11 pm   Permalink

Rat Tiki I love Junkman's Daughter! and Junkman's Daughter's Brother in Athens. I used to spend lots of time in Atlanta and always found cool tiki stuff in Little 5 Points. If the store Psycho Sisters is still there (its a consignment/thrift/clothing place) you can usually find some good Hawaiian Shirts.

Welcome to TC!


 
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Trad'r Bill
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Joined: Oct 14, 2008
Posts: 492
From: Hercules, CA
Posted: 2009-03-21 11:06 pm   Permalink

Mai Tai - you got 'em - nice!! I soooo wanted those, but c'est la vie... imho, you should have those professionally restored - those are HISTORIC!!

 
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