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112502
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From: Knoxville, TN
Posted: 2005-03-16 9:55 pm   Permalink

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On 2005-02-25 17:56, johntiki wrote:
Hope Frank's contribution to the place make it a real hit with the tiki "inner-circle."
[ This Message was edited by: johntiki on 2005-03-05 20:06 ]



What's wrong with you? Someone piss in your Shirley Temple or something?


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On 2005-03-01 09:03, pablus wrote:
Maryville?

Do yourself a favor and don't put any of your own money into it there.

Resist Maryville. IMO. That's the town where I saw the dude driving a Dodge Mirada with a couch strapped across his hood.



Mur-vull? It's growing leaps and bounds... plenty of people moving down from NY & DC. Plus, it's right next to the airport ... Could work, could work.

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Rorysm
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Posted: 2005-03-17 07:40 am   Permalink

I think it could work outside of Knoxville. Look at the Omni-Hut... it's not exactly inside Nashvegas (Nashville) and yet it seems to do just fine. Besides, I'd rather not have to drive into Knoxville's sea of Orange-stickered pickup trucks to get to it.

 
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From: Honolulu Lounge,Lewes, DE
Posted: 2005-03-17 07:56 am   Permalink

Marian thinks you should call your place
the South(ern)Pacific.



 
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johntiki
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Posted: 2005-03-17 12:18 pm   Permalink

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On 2005-03-16 21:55, 112502 wrote:
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On 2005-02-25 17:56, johntiki wrote:
Hope Frank's contribution to the place make it a real hit with the tiki "inner-circle."
[ This Message was edited by: johntiki on 2005-03-05 20:06 ]



What's wrong with you? Someone piss in your Shirley Temple or something?




No someone actually pissed in my Roy Rogers -I tend to believe the Coca Cola has a stronger bite than ginger ale. You make a bad Mai Tai and I'm fine but if you screw with my kiddie drink there's gonna be trouble.

My edited comment was placed in response to my initial reaction to the "Swanky and Kohalacharms" thread...I forgot I had posted such a mean spirited comment and to Swanky I apologize. I wish him all the success in the world with his new endeavor and I look forward to possibly paying a visit one day.
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Posted: 2005-03-18 09:51 am   Permalink

Swanky,
We picked up some steak that came already marinated in teryaki sauce at Costco last week. I sliced it up like bacon, put it on bamboo skewers and grilled it on our habachi the way we used to do it in da islands. It was primo. I think this would make a great food item for a tiki bar and I'm guessing you can normally buy it in quantity at Costco.
If you serve it, they will come....
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Swanky
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From: Hapa Haole Hideaway, TN
Posted: 2005-03-27 1:12 pm   Permalink

The new logo by Hoffa:



I am working on the site to get it ready to go "public".
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DawnTiki
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Posted: 2005-03-27 2:46 pm   Permalink

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"The Headhunter" doesn't quite seem right for a restaurant

Swanky, I'm sorry but I don't see anything wrong with The Headhunter Lounge as a name for an eating establishment. I kinda dig it! Can you elaborate?


 
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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2005-03-27 2:56 pm   Permalink

Swankster, this is looking good....
BUT I am always open with friends about what I think, so here my personal point of view:

Somehow (though to cry "authenticity" in Polynesian Pop may seem absurd) it bothers me that you guys chose a Ku Tiki, when there was absolutely no headhunting in Hawaiian culture. To me the greatest thing about Poly Pop is the CONCEPTS, and here the "Headhunter " concept is just not mirrored in the Tiki. Make him Maori, or Marquesan or New Guinea, and make it just a head. Funnier even would be a cool mug, a la the Mr. Bali Hai. Now THAT is a headhunter! If it needs to have that elongated shape, give the mug an elongated forehead and a squat face, or somethin'...and some garnish, so you see it is a mug.

But what ever you choose, be aware that this is the LOGO TIKI, and that you want it to work as an imprint on the menu, business cards, T-shirts AND as a mug. For my personal taste, the Ku figure always seems just a little generic, and exchangeable. There are so many infinite possibilities in the visual history of Polynesian art.


 
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Swanky
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From: Hapa Haole Hideaway, TN
Posted: 2005-03-27 4:42 pm   Permalink

Sven,
I hear ya. I started with the Tangaroa, but, to the average person he looked more like an alien than a tiki. So I asked Hoffa to use a very traditional tiki form, Ku.
This is the first logo. I needed it to get the site "legal" (my art, not borrowed) and to put together a menu, and other things to move forward. Its not in stone. Its there to start selling the idea.
Lots of people are liking "Swanky Tiki" more, so it may become the name. Lots of things are up in the air. But this allows me to make the promo stuff that I need to show potential investors what the plan is.
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Benzart
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Posted: 2005-03-27 6:23 pm   Permalink

Swank, I do understand where you are comong from with that. I have to agree with BBro about the Ku. Even if you did use Ku, you should "Mean" him up a bit with a growl/snarl or whatever to show he means business. I know it may all change in a minute so I just had to add my 3 cents worth. Other than that I love it.
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Raffertiki
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Posted: 2005-03-27 6:41 pm   Permalink

I think a Swanky Tiki should be a little more, you know, swanky. Sometimes it takes a number of attemps to nail a logo. Be careful not to rush the creative process.
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Traitor Vic
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Posted: 2005-03-27 7:00 pm   Permalink

Okay. Here I go with my dumb idea...

Hale Tiki seems to be working as a name in Augusta doesn't it? Start out by dilluting your original idea for a name and you may end up dilluting your cocktails to make them more like what "normal people" expect at a bar. As much as I don't mind the Swanky Tiki idea it is one step closer to Tiki Bob's Cantina or the Freaky Tiki. Maybe insterting the word Tiki (Headhunter Tiki Lounge) would be a bit more specific. Perhaps you could just add your name to the Headhunter part (Swanky's Headhunter Lounge) thereby giving name to a personality that will be attached to the establishment regardless. Much like Don the Beachcomber's or Trader Vic's the lounge would then have a human face. Customers would be excited to have the opportunity to meet Swanky. The Live365 station would add to the allure. You'd become a local celebrity of sorts.

Of course this could be more trouble that it is worth and would not be desirable if you didn't want the attention. Still... I gotta vote for stickin' with the Headhunter as opposed to anything more Tennessee sounding.

Have you thought about having The Headhunter Lounge be the bar at a restaurant called The Lagoon Room or The Aloha or something along those lines?

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Posted: 2005-03-28 04:13 am   Permalink

I Love the sounds of "Swanks Head Hunter Lounge", or Swankys Headhunter Lounge". However it works out, I'm sure it wil be a Swank place when it's done.
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Swanky
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From: Hapa Haole Hideaway, TN
Posted: 2005-03-28 07:16 am   Permalink

The thing you have to realize, and is a bit hard here, is that no one else knows me as Swanky. I mean, when the ad is in the paper for "The Swanky Tiki." "Swanky" is an adjective, not a pronoun. The idea is that, number one, it rhymes and rolls off the tongue, and B, it blends swank and tiki. Mod and exotic.

Yes, we have thought of having "The Headhunter Lounge" inside "The Islands" or something like that. The bar in the restaurant.

What you guys are saying is stuff that's being considered. Hoffa has another logo coming with a wahine in it. We'll see where it ends up.

"The Headhunter Lounge" was the most popular name before. "Swanky Tiki" wasn't considered. But, then it was a bar and not a restaurant/bar.

I have to tell you, this is all turning out to be harder than I thought. Not that it's exactly hard, but sort of out of reach. I have little knowledge of the restaurant business and that's where I am stuck. I need answers to questions like:

How many servers do I need for a restaurant seating 80?
How much kitchen staff?
How many plates, cups, glasses...
How much square footage for the kitchen?
What's typical pay in this area for these positions?

Yadda, yadda. VERY technical questions that get me to a bottom line ballpark for start-up and operating and break even numbers. I could research and come up with my best guesses, but I prefer to find the person who can answer them with real knowledge. So, that's where I am. A bit stuck. But, I have plans to get unstuck. I have people in town who know people and I hope can either find me the limited partner to answer these things, and basically take over the restaurant side, OR, find the investor who has restaurant experience to fill out that side as part of the overall plan.

We have also decided that I have to rebuild the "Hapa Haole Hideaway" at home in order to entertain people on this subject and set a little taste of the mood. People say "Tiki bar. I know what you mean." But they don't. Unless I can fly them to the Mai Kai or something, their image is likely way off. So, we are going to make a bit of tiki bar at home again.

I just want you guys to understand that I am working at this. It does not mean it will happen, or that it will happen soon. I am puting together all the pieces I can to make it happen, but it ends up in other people's hands to really say it will. Unless I win the lottery. If I win the lottery, the Kahiki level of grandness will be realized here. So, pray for me to win the lottery!

Hoffa has done an over the top job of painting what I have asked into a wonderful real image. We'll get that image where we want it and when the place opens, it'll be 100%.

So, should I just start a blog? I mean, you guys are giving great advice, but it's also stuff that's been considered. I don't want you to think you are annoying me or that I am not grateful for your input, but I also don't want you to give advice and then have me say again and again "we thought of that."

Hanford: Add a blog to this site!
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chisel slinger
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Posted: 2005-03-28 10:24 am   Permalink

I love it. looks perfect. for me alot of the appeal of the american tiki bar is that it's not politically correct. people in this country want a night out to escape, not a history lesson. this is what I love most about americana. the wacky corny uneducated display of what someone thinks another land looks like. hell, throw an african mask up on the wall for laughs. just fill the place up with so much junk it will keep people entertained. then let the hardcore people try to pick out what does'nt fit.

 
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