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TikiGardener
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Posted: 2005-02-26 11:34 pm   Permalink

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On 2005-02-26 14:20, tikifish wrote:
People seem to think there's all sorts of conspiracies afoot within the ad industry - we're out to subliminally make you 'obey' and we spend our days airbrushing the word 'sex' into the ice cubes of the product shot. Sadly, it's not half that exciting!



I was just funnin with that stuff. I don't think the proverbial "they" or "them" have to even bother with subliminal shit. Just put an add on the air and blatantly tell someone their life will suck if they don't buy it, and the sound of the lemming heard is deafening.

And yes, I've been a lemming. But at least I'm a self aware lemming, and I fight the cliff rushing urge as much as possible.

Heck maybe you could do an add that says "with out tiki, your life will suck". Put up a picture of said tiki offered at three easy payments of 19.95, and sit back and watch the cash fill the bank account.
(I have to use the edit feature and point out that the above is in no way an attack on tikifish. It's just merely my taking a point to an extreme example for illustrations sake. Using "tiki" as a product we all understand. Thats alll, nothing else.)

I sure do hope target comes out with more tiki stuff this year.

And I wish Chrysler would come out with a hybrid PT Cruiser.



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donhonyc
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Posted: 2005-02-27 08:34 am   Permalink

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On 2005-02-23 10:36, Trader Woody wrote:
"Here's the deal, folks. You do a commercial - you're off the artistic roll call, forever. End of story. Okay? You're another whore at the captialist gang bang and if you do a commercial, there's a price on your head. Everything you say is suspect and every word that comes out of your mouth is now like a turd falling into my drink."
Bill Hicks




Thank you!!

As we all know, this type of thing has been going on for years and years. Back in the late 70s/early 80s Kodak had an instant camera called 'The Handle', which did the same thing a Poloroid camera did except you cranked the photo out with the handle that was attached to the camera. They used the Beach Boys song 'Fun, Fun, Fun' ("you'll have fun, fun, fun with the handle made by Kodak"). At least back then they would re-record the song with their slogan, not that that was such a great thing mind you. Now it's just a wholesale rip-off of the song. And like alot of people on this thread I totally fucking hate that. It's doubly annoying to me because I used to work for a post-production company who's clientele was 90% ad agencies. I used to deal with these assholes on a daily basis for many painful years until, thank god, I found another way to make a living. These people not only thought that what they were doing was important, they thought it was 'art', and they actually had the balls to walk around with egos while they did this stuff! Un-be-leivable.

One song I've heard lately is Aerosmith's 'Dream On' in a Buick commercial. What a stupid fucking idea. For starters, even before the commercial came out I always felt that if I never heard that song again for the rest of my life I'd be happy. I can just imagine one of those ad agency stooges...some disconnected rich white guy, hearing this song one day on the CD player of his Lexus as he drives around the Hamptons with his wife (that he's fucking around on) and thinks this would be a good idea for a commercial. Back at the agency he sells this to the company as all his 'yes' men cheer him on.

Steven Tyler and the rest of the band should just hit the retirement home already. I was a huge fan of theirs in the late 70s, but I now officially hate them. 'Love in an Elevator' was reason enough, but this takes the cake.

Here's a tip, people: make the 'mute' button on the TV remote your new best friend. I have been doing this for years now and it makes a huge difference. Mute that garbage right out of your life. It's very effective. Many times I have been in conversations with people and they'll mention something about a commercial and I'll have no idea what they are talking about.

"Let the products sell themselves. Fuck advertising, commercial psychology. Psychological methods to sell should be destroyed" The Minutemen from their song 'Shit from an Old Notebook'




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tikifish
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Posted: 2005-02-27 2:07 pm   Permalink

[quote]
On 2005-02-27 08:34, donhonyc wrote:
Quote:

[i]I used to work for a post-production company who's clientele was 90% ad agencies. I used to deal with these assholes on a daily basis for many painful years until, thank god, I found another way to make a living. These people not only thought that what they were doing was important, they thought it was 'art', and they actually had the balls to walk around with egos while they did this stuff! Un-be-leivable.




Ouch! I dont think what I do is art, nor do I have balls, and I'm pretty sure I'm not an asshole. Not everone who works in the ad business can be painted with one brush!

Sounds like you worked with some real winners.


 
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donhonyc
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Posted: 2005-02-27 4:52 pm   Permalink

Yeah...that was a pretty sweeping generalization. No offense,Tikifish. There actually were...literally, less than a handful of people that I was friendly with during my 'jail time' in the ad world. But honestly, alot of them did have a holier-than-thou attitude and they would be working on, no joke, Douche accounts. Or cereal or something. I don't hold anything against anybody for being serious about what they do for a living, and working very hard at it. But fachrissakes, have some humanity about it. There was one guy I remember who was just like the Alan Alda character from 'Crimes & Misdemeanor's' ("if it's funny it bends, if it doesn't it breaks). Real egomaniac, and his account was like 'Just for Men' or something like that. Which is fine, but he was such a dick about it.

I don't sound too bitter about it....do I?

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Tiki-bot
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Posted: 2005-02-27 7:58 pm   Permalink

Railing against advertising is like shaking your fist at the sun for shining. I'm not saying it's always (or ever) necessarily a good thing, but fer crissakes, aren't there about 10 trillion things in the world that need more attention than ripping on stupid ads (and our ad culture in general) and the people who make them? Yes, advertising can be despicable, ubiquitious and downright annoying, but who made you king of declaring all things good or bad, and can you give me a job?

There's plenty of things in the world to be morally indignant about (and Bill Hicks carries the banner proudly in the battle for biggest hipocrate), but there are a$$holes of varying degrees in every profession. Why not channel all that bile and energy into something that actually matters instead of trying to rally everyone around the barrel full of fish you just shot?
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donhonyc
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Posted: 2005-02-27 8:12 pm   Permalink

There are varying degrees of a-holes in every profession, and there are varying degrees of experinces in people lives. Good and bad. I'm not rallying for anything. I mean, is Tiki Central a place to 'rally' against bigger causes? I channel my energy just fine thanks, and if I want to put in my (negative) 2 cents in a discussion that has thoughts similar to mine, what's wrong with that?


Who made me king of declaring all things good or bad? Ah..hem. I don't know, why don't you tell me about when you started wearing the crown.




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TikiGardener
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Posted: 2005-02-27 8:34 pm   Permalink

Sully Bill Hicks all ya want. I know his close personal friends. I know his words.

If some guy makes some money for calling it like it is, oh well. If you don't like it, don't buy his cd's.

But maybe you could give something to the Bill Hicks Foundation for Wildlife...
http://billhicks.com/wildlife/donate/

You won't find any shot fish there.

The Bill Hicks Foundation for Wildlife is a non-profit organization of volunteers dedicated to rescuing, rehabilitating, and releasing orphaned, ill, and injured wildlife in and around the Texas Hill Country.
http://www.billhicks.com/users/wildlife/

Now does anyone find the hypocracy of Clapton allowing Layla to be used for ringtones, after his stated reason for leaving the Yardbirds was because they were getting "to commerical" just amazingly hypocritical?

And they say irony is dead...

Oh, yesterday was the anniverary of Bill Hicks' death.

Furthermore...Apparently some people in high places had a high opinion of Bill Hicks.



"That this house notes with sadness the 10th anniversary of the death of Bill Hicks,
on February 26th 1994, at the age of 33; recalls his assertion that his words would be a
bullet in the heart of consumerism, capitalism and the American Dream; and mourns the
passing of one of the few people who may be mentioned as being worthy of inclusion with
Lenny Bruce in any list of unflinching and painfully honest political philosophers."
- Stephen Pound MP; Parliamentary House of Commons

House of Commons, not bad...

Comte de Guise: You have read Don Quixote?
Cyrano: I have. And found myself the hero.
de Guise: The chapter of The Windmills?
Cyrano: Chapter 13
de Guise: Windmills, if you tilt your lance with them, will cast you down into the mire!
Cyrano: or up... up into the stars...





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Shipwreckjoey
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Posted: 2005-02-27 11:54 pm   Permalink

American Express dug deep to come up with "Mas y Mas" a cut from Los Lobos' '96 Colossal Head CD as the soundtrack for their TV commercials that are currently running here on my local stations.

 
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Formikahini
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Posted: 2005-03-09 5:57 pm   Permalink

*Gag*

I just saw a Diet Pepsi ad with the Ramones "Blitzkrieg Bop" as the party music for the dancing cans in the fridge.

Now I hate Pepsi even more.

(I love the Ramones.)

(I'm going to TRY and tell myself that "people will hear this and want to buy Ramones CD's," but after hearing the fact the Sonics are likely getting zilch for their song, my naive optimism's kinda fading......)


 
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Trader Woody
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Posted: 2005-03-11 1:18 pm   Permalink

After all this, I heard the worst of all time the other day. Black Flag have done an ad for Yahoo-esque website called Wanadoo........

I've only seen it the once but it just made me weep. Sure, it was early Keith Morris era Black Flag, but then again Rollins is happy to present British Robot wars type shows over here, so he's also off the artistic rollcall.

Sheesh......Black Flag......*shakes head*..........

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cynfulcynner
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Posted: 2005-03-11 1:25 pm   Permalink

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On 2005-03-11 13:18, Trader Woody wrote:
Sheesh......Black Flag......*shakes head*..........



I can't get behind THAT!


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Al_Malaikah
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Posted: 2005-03-11 11:54 pm   Permalink

Yeah you really got my act down good, guys. That'll be great. You know, when I'm done ranting about elite power that rules the planet under a totalitarian govenment that uses the media in order to keep people stupid, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink orange drink."
[after being asked to do an advertisement for orange drink].


 
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fijifingers
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Posted: 2005-03-27 09:01 am   Permalink

I think companies buying these adds ............do a disservice to their product ........and .........add companies creating them .........are more interested in highlighting there own commercial projects ...........by using well known songs .......(rock n roll or any other genre) ..........rather than using the tried and true "original" jingle to make a product meorable to the targeted audience.

If it isn't a familar tune .....or one directly touting the product .........I tend to remember the music rather than the product

For instance ..............the iPod commercial ...........where...........the urban kid walks past the wall of posters listening to his iPod. When he walks by the posters each one of them changes colors and starts to jam and dance ..........till he turns his iPod off .....turns and looks back and they stop dancing. You would hardly know what the product that they are trying to sell .............and ...........I didn't until I started seeing iPoda all over the place. I couldn't get the music out of my head though.

Then there was another television commercial out in the last year .....that advertised a cruise line in a dual spot on the cable stations (this was the only television advertisement I have ever seen this where after the first part of the add .........just before the show came back on ........there would be a short of the same music as in the first spot ........but ....with view of a cruise ship parked out in the ocean ...from the perspective of a beach comber on shore). The lyrics of the background music was to ...."shed their skin .......let the light shine in".

I only remembered the music from both the cruise line commercial and the iPod commercial .........and .........the unique advertising concept of the dual spot ........but I never could remember the products .......*L*.

Just my opinion.



 
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Posted: 2005-03-27 10:12 am   Permalink

You know how it's not like me to state strong opinions here , but this on or off the "artistic roll call" is complete nonsense. There seems to be a belief, among non-artists and artists alike, that all art should aspire to be free of any and all commercialism.

All kinds of artists - painters, musicians, graffiti painters, sand-castle builders - all of their art exists within a world of commerce to some degree or other, whether they admit it or not. I am a commercial artist myself, and coworkers often dream of being "pure" artists, while at the same time understanding that no such thing exists. We all dream of getting rich and staying at home all day creating our self-indulgent artistic masterpieces, but the world already has a Jeff Koons.

A former co-worker left the video game biz to do landscape painting full time. It sounded like a dream to a lot of us, but we all knew the reality, and so did he. He gave up answering to project leaders and production managers for answering to his personal manager, gallery owners, and the fickle art-buying public. His daily work may be more artistically and emotionally satisfying, but all the same business issues still exist. He needs to do paintings (and a LOT of them) that people want to buy or he doesn't eat. Bam! He's a commercial artist again!

Who are we to be the gate-keepers of what level of commercial involvement is acceptable? Sure, you get to make up your own minds about who's crossed the line into "sell-out" territory, but it seems unfair to equal want of commercial success with a lack of honest artistic intent or ability (though I agree it doesn't appear that way in the mainstream entertainment media).

PS: Fijifingers - there....certianly.....are...a...lot...of...gaps...in...your...message...
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TikiGardener
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Posted: 2005-03-27 1:45 pm   Permalink

If you're an artist and you sell your work ( painting, sculpture, string art, whatever ) thats fine.

If you are a musician or comedian and you pack halls, and sell cds, or whatever other medium conveys you're thoughts or ideas, thats fine.

If you allow an advertising company to use you art to sell a product. Well the word that best describes what you do starts with a W.

Or if you like semantics, you're a jingle writer, or an illustrator.

I work with "art" everyday. I must see two or three hundred paintings, sculptures, and string art in the course of one workday. Most of the guys around me are artists. If they made it big by selling their hearfelt artwork I'd have no problem with them sitting up in Brentwood. And the same goes for the musicians at my job. But to a one, none of them could see allowing their art being used for selling a Hummer, or a can of soda.

There is a difference between selling your art, and allowing it to be whored out.

I also deal with a large number of galleries. I take the Stuckists line;"Art that has to be in a gallery to be art, isn't art."

That said, I'm surprised no one has asked the question;" Is Shag an Artist or an Illustrator?"

"Gardener Industries, helping you find new and creative ways to flog your dead horse...". Maybe WILD HORSES by The Rolling Stones could play in the background.


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