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The Dead Thread
lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-06-26 08:37 am   Permalink

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On 2009-06-26 07:54, The Gnomon wrote:
From what I understand, Michael's obsession with young boys was not at all sexual. He was a young boy himself inside and could never outgrow it. Whenever potential law suits would arise surrounding his relationships with kids, they always seemed to be completely driven by parents seeking to exploit the situation for their own financial gain. Being Michael, he'd just settle it and move on. He never felt the need to prove his innocence.

The music of the Jackson Five was part of my childhood. Then their music seemed to fade away for a while. Suddenly, Thriller came out. Five number one hits on a single album. Damn! What a treasure! Anyway, it was then I could see that Michael had not faded away with the Jackson Five, but had instead been developing his craft. One of the greatest artists of all time. We are all fortunate to have experienced his music during his time.





Heres the problem: It sets young children up to be targets. Let's say that Michael Jackson really was as you describe him. I am here to tell you that it is not normal for any young boy to share a bed with a middle aged man. Michael Jackson, if he is as you describe him, was basically letting these young boys believe that it was perfectly natural and innocent to share his bed. Do you honestly believe other 40 year old men are innocent like you think he was? What are these kids going to do when another 40 year old man with less then honorable intentions puts these children in the same situation? The kids were taught to believe it's all good, clean fun. It's not.

Anyone who knows anything about pedophiles knows they engage in extensive "grooming" behavior of their victims. Buying toys, taking them on trips, having "sleepovers". It's all part of a well documented pattern of abuse that I have personally seen time and time again. All designed to put them at ease, gain their trust, etc. Believe me, lives are destroyed forever by this behavior.

Michael Jackson needed deep and extensive mental health treatment his whole life, and never got it. He had "yes" people around him all the time. No checks and balances.

Had I been his lawyer or manager, I would have told him: "We are taking you to a therapist, and not some hollywood celebrity therapist, but just a regular one found from the yellow pages".


 
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The Gnomon
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Posted: 2009-06-26 08:54 am   Permalink

Yep. Nobody's arguing about any of the social fallout and ramifications. I'm just stating what seem to be the facts. He was a child locked inside. How many of his lawyers and managers insisted that he get therapy? All of them!

Well, he's getting therapy now. I know you'll want to join me in bidding him true aloha as he departs this world.


 
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-06-26 09:17 am   Permalink

Well, I am sad when anyone dies.


 
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GROG
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From: Tujunga
Posted: 2009-06-26 10:37 am   Permalink

Enough pedophile talk (you're getting Ruzic excited) and back to posting people that died (which might make Ruzic even more excited).

These people died June 25, 2009

Andres Cascioli, 72, Argentine cartoonist, cancer. [1] (Spanish)
Don Coldsmith, 83, American author. [2]
Farrah Fawcett, 62, American actress, anal cancer. [3]
James Baker Hall, 74, American poet, Kentucky Poet Laureate. [4]
Michael Jackson, 50, American singer–songwriter, cardiac arrest. [5]
Shiv Charan Mathur, 83, Indian politician, Governor of Assam since 2008, Chief Minister of Rajasthan (1988–1989). [6]
Mian Tufail Mohammad, 95, Pakistani politician, cerebral hemorrhage. [7]
Bela Mukherjee, 89, Indian singer, widow of Hemanta Mukherjee, natural causes. [8]
Sky Saxon, 63, American rock musician (The Seeds). [9]
Zinaida Stagurskaya, 38, Belarusian cyclist, road accident. [10] (Russian)
Anil Wilson, 62, Indian academic, Principal of St. Stephen's College, Delhi (1991–2007), pancreatic cancer. [11]
Yasmine, 37, Belgian singer and television presenter, suicide. [12] (Dutch)


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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-06-26 11:16 am   Permalink

One good thing about this whole mess is that is kind of takes a little of the spotlight off Farrah's death, allowing her family to grieve with a somewhat better amount of privacy.

 
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Swanky
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Posted: 2009-06-26 1:02 pm   Permalink

Poor Farrah. Same fate at Col. Sanders. You know when he died? No. You know why? Cuz freakin John Lennon died the same day!

 
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Unga Bunga
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Posted: 2009-06-26 1:24 pm   Permalink

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On 2009-06-26 13:02, Swanky wrote:
Poor Farrah. Same fate at Col. Sanders. You know when he died? No. You know why? Cuz freakin John Lennon died the same day!



Swanky,
Harland died Dec. 16.
(Not that I was losing any sleep over it.)


 
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Jungle Trader
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Posted: 2009-06-26 3:40 pm   Permalink

Lucas Vigor, it also takes the spotlight off the barking nipping little poodle named N. Korea. The leader Sing Bitch or whatever his name is, will soon be on this list too, hanging out with Saddam ("Mother of All Battles"). Teddy once said "Speak softly and carry a BIG STICK" applies well here.
Note: This is not politics, it's history cuz it's already been written.

Also, that quote originated as a West African proverb. Wise words indeed.
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-06-26 4:00 pm   Permalink

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On 2009-06-26 15:40, Jungle Trader wrote:
Lucas Vigor, it also takes the spotlight off the barking nipping little poodle named N. Korea. The leader Sing Bitch or whatever his name is, will soon be on this list too, hanging out with Saddam ("Mother of All Battles"). Teddy once said "Speak softly and carry a BIG STICK" applies well here.
Note: This is not politics, it's history cuz it's already been written.

Also, that quote originated as a West African proverb. Wise words indeed.
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There are two people I would like to give a smack in the mouth to. The leader of North Korea, and the Ayatolla of Iran making all his recent, evil statements. I am not going to go too far and say I would like to see them listed on this thread and SOON, (but frankly, the world would be a better place). The problem is, there is always another asshole around to take their place!


 
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TIKIVILLE
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Posted: 2009-06-26 4:00 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2009-06-26 13:24, Unga Bunga wrote:
Quote:

On 2009-06-26 13:02, Swanky wrote:
Poor Farrah. Same fate at Col. Sanders. You know when he died? No. You know why? Cuz freakin John Lennon died the same day!



Swanky,
Harland died Dec. 16.
(Not that I was losing any sleep over it.)



Didn't Darby Crash die on that day as well ?
I thought that was the whole thing....a punk rocker tops himself and fate and fame intervenes,almost nobody heard about it .


 
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Mrs Bamboo
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Posted: 2009-06-26 4:45 pm   Permalink

Darby Crash was December 7, 1980. The anniversary of Pearl Harbor swallowed his fame.

 
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bigtikidude
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Posted: 2009-06-26 5:50 pm   Permalink

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On 2009-06-26 07:55, RevBambooBen wrote:
.....into the Volcano!!!



that is great,
I agree.

Jeff(bigtikidude)



 
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naugatiki
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Posted: 2009-06-28 09:10 am   Permalink

The deaths keep on coming, I'm staying home today.

Pitchman Billy Mays Found Dead

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/28/billy-mays-is-dead/

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Big Kahuna
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Posted: 2009-06-28 5:59 pm   Permalink

Holy Crap! They're dropping like flies!

 
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Mrs Bamboo
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Posted: 2009-06-28 9:34 pm   Permalink

But let's go to the BET awards anyway....after all, we planned the evening.

 
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