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the lost chapter: Hop Louie and the Stockton Islander (image heavy)
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Posted: 2009-10-30 06:41 am   Permalink

You my friend, are on FIRE! DyNOmite work!

 
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Unga Bunga
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Posted: 2009-10-30 10:59 am   Permalink

Great job Abstract!
Colleen may have an orgasm when she reads this.


 
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thejab
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Posted: 2009-10-30 3:25 pm   Permalink

This keeps getting better!

I wish I had looked closer at the interior when I had lunch at Pollardville years ago. I don't remember seeing the a-frame ceiling. I wouldn't be surprised if a lower "dropped" ceiling had been installed. I do remember looking at the old bar in the side room (the same one in the bank's photograph).


 
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Dustycajun
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Posted: 2009-10-30 8:59 pm   Permalink

Abstractiki,

Keep up the great research!

Here is a matchbook from the Islander/Latitude 20.



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abstractiki
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Posted: 2009-11-01 11:15 am   Permalink

Thanks every one for the great comments and encouragement, I do appreciate it.

Sabu, inspiring a vet like you? an honor for me indeed. I called Ad Art last week and they told me that they only keep records including sales invoices for 5 years or so. Another dead end on the sign.

Jab, I just got back, (hopping fences isn't as easy as i remember!) from another expedition bringing back some great stuff on the A-Frame, look for the full report soon.

Dusty, wow, great match book! never seen it before.

One thing I noticed in the blue prints was a fish tank listed. I don't remember reading about that or having any info on that before. Could the pollards have installed it for the Chicken Kitchen? Was it part of the Islander?





thanks again to everyone.
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Posted: 2009-11-02 08:26 am   Permalink

I had the privilege of working at the "real" Ad Art many years ago, shortly before they went belly-up. The "current" Ad Art is really a sales front who licenses the name and subcontracts the manufacturing. I know one of the former floor managers, who stayed around until the bitter end (I believe it was around the end of 2000 or beginning of 2001) and he said that the parent company at the time had them destroy literally thousands and thousands of documents including drawings, photographs and artist renderings as part of their final liquidation. Some of the more impressive renderings landed in the hands of a few of the managers, some went back to the artists who created them, most were trashed, much to the dismay of the old timers.

Ad Art at its peak in the 60's through the late 80's, was truly an amazing company to work for in terms of scale and artistic talent in the sign industry. They had offices in Stockton (their main manufacturing facility and corporate headquarters), Los Angeles, San Francisco, Las Vegas and Dallas. Their sign presence was evident all over the United States and the world. Their work in Vegas and Reno covered some of the biggest names of the great, classic, old style casinos. Ad Art in its heyday, probably had the most talented sign display artists and craftsmen on its roster and was considered a true innovator in the industry.

The main art director was Charles (Chuck) Bernard, who was a visionary when it came to signage as a statement of style, culture and artistic merit, and was definitely at the helm around the time of the Islander's inception, although I don't know if he personally designed the sign. His architectural renderings were airbrushed masterpieces of gouache, watercolor and ink, often coveted by the clients and sales staff. His work decorated the halls and offices of manangement until the end. As far as I know, he's still around, but don't know where he lives presently. He has written a book about his sign work, although I believe it is extremely rare.

Another Ad Art artist, Betty Willis actually designed the iconic "Welcome to Fabulous Las Vegas" sign when she worked at Western Sign, which is still one of the most recognizable signs on the planet. Betty was a very sweet and humble person, who in my mind, created some of the greatest Googie signage for Ad Art during her tenure and remained active with the company well into her 70's. Don't know if she lives in L.A. or Las Vegas, but she could also have been involved in the Islander's sign design as well.

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Posted: 2009-11-02 10:44 am   Permalink

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On 2009-11-02 08:26, quickiki wrote:
.....and he said that the parent company at the time had them destroy literally thousands and thousands of documents including drawings, photographs and artist renderings as part of their final liquidation. Some of the more impressive renderings landed in the hands of a few of the managers, some went back to the artists who created them, most were trashed, much to the dismay of the old timers.



Arrghhh....sob...sniff! (Anger-denial-surrender) The same thing that happened at the menu companies...all this great art lost...like tears in the rain.

I always point out the supreme irony of that Las Vegas sign: In the 90s the city wanted to tear it down, and some citizens group fought them and won , and now it is plastered on every poster and ad that features Vegas as THE icon/logo. That is branding that they couldn't buy if they wanted to. Plus, considering the huge neon signs that the city allowed to get razed, the real sign is so small, it's funny/sad. And they are using it to advertise a Vegas esthetic that is just not there anymore, because they allowed it to be destroyed.


 
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Posted: 2009-11-02 11:14 am   Permalink

I know, Bigbro, I was pretty upset myself when I heard what they had done to their archives. They should have at least offered it to the city of Stockton, especially considering the historical significance, but Ad Art in the last years of existence was acquired by a large corporation that also held various other sign companies around the country. Their big push into the LED market was ultimately their undoing after a couple of very large projects ended disastrously. The corporation hired an outside firm to liquidate their properties, who obviously had no interest in preserving history, but to get every last buck out of the building as part of their bankruptcy agreement. If they felt that it had no monetary value, they simply threw it out. They were ruthless knuckleheads, but welcome to the world of big business.

On a brighter note, Betty Willis got her moment of fame when they saved her beloved Las Vegas sign and gained national notice as the designer. She even got to see her sign transformed into a popular Vegas miniature novelty item. I hope she's making some money off of it. Lord knows she deserves some recognition for her talent.


 
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abstractiki
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Posted: 2009-11-02 5:53 pm   Permalink

Thanks quickiki for this great historical background on Ad Art and the Islander sign!

 
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Posted: 2009-11-03 5:51 pm   Permalink

Sunday November 1, 2009

I had been wanting to do a second expedition to The Islander for a while now and with the finding of the blue prints and questions coming up about the interior of the A-frame, I thought this morning would be a good time. The daylight savings time change would mean that the natives would most likely still be sleeping upon my arrival.

Knowing that the new fence was up I had to go in light, and fast. Just me and the Cannon. Right before leaving base camp I grabbed a Lei for good luck and thinking this may be the last visit I thought I might leave it there with the Islander.

I had done some recon of the area last week and new over the fence was the only way in. Up and over, in and around I snapped pics as fast as could. Trying to get everything photographed that I could. I made it to the rickety stair case to the attic, the drop down fold out one with just one cable still hanging on, every step I took it sagged and leaned over. All the way up and in, I walked around, the floor was creaky plywood but looked newer than the stuff on the lower side walls, an old bit of Christmas garland stapled high on the beam. Markings were found on the beams, from the reconstruction no doubt. I snapped a bunch of pics and back down again. Back to the pit bar and pried off a 3ft section of bamboo as my treasure.

As I was making my way back out side I remembered the Lei, I spotted an outrigger beam out side near the front door, perfect, got an old 5-gallon bucked to stand on and put the Lei on the jagged end of the bamboo, reached up and hung the Lei around the beam. Now for the exit, up and… and… uhhh well two tears in the seat of my new ditch diggin jeans and a few chunks missing from my right hand and I was back in my trusty 4x4. Pull around, snapped a pic or two of the Lei and I was headed back to camp.

Next day; The blue prints show a regular size stair case leading to the “Office Mezzanine Above”. In my new photos you can see a place where they once entered the Mezzanine but it is now sealed off, the stairs are gone and the fold down ladder is now right next to that.

Also it would seam that the A-Frame once was open due to the Christmas Garland still attached high on the beam.

Ok here are the new pics, more questions I’m afraid?






































Happy Hunting!
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Posted: 2009-11-11 07:48 am   Permalink

Here is a drawing of the Stockton Islander Sign done in 1964. The artist is unknown.



Islander sign drawing done 1964



 
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Posted: 2009-11-11 10:07 am   Permalink

Wow. That is EXACTLY how it was built.

 
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Posted: 2009-11-11 12:13 pm   Permalink

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Wow. That is EXACTLY how it was built.



Sure is! I don't know why I hadn't noticed this before, but it appears that "islander" portion of the sign is a representation of the building's profile.

Another nice find Abstract! Where did this one come from?
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Posted: 2009-11-11 1:01 pm   Permalink

It was as from a "recipe of the month" newspaper column featuring the Islander Chicken in Foil recipe that I posted a while back. Somehow I dismissed it's significance in the rush to post new discoveries this last month.


 
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thejab
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Posted: 2009-11-12 11:35 am   Permalink

abstractiki, good work! I now realize I didn't see the inside of the A-frame when I visited Pollardville because it was used as an attic.

 
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