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Gman vs Wild - Page 1; Kotiate Warrior 183; BoatMan 184; Gman Lizard Dance 190; Screamer 193
Dragonaotearoa
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Posted: 2007-03-15 6:05 pm   Permalink

PS - I am actually a girl

    
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Dragonaotearoa
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Posted: 2007-03-15 6:25 pm   Permalink


You have taken what i said the wrong way entirely, and as you are proud of your carvings so am i proud of my bloods heritage. I am a maori myself, and my family have many master carvers in our bloodlines. You will find that most if not all maori are sensitive about there cultural art heritage and how it is used in reference to different artworks.Particularly that you only know visually not in context(it is not your own culture after all). Allow for the fact that you may be a pretty good carver but you are neither polynesian or Maori and accept that you may get some criticisms from the culture you are using for inspiration. Besides I was not critising just asking a question. Cliff Whiting who created the last image is a world renowned master carver in both the traditional and contempory styles.

I will take them off for you not a problem as soon as i figure that one out.


    
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GMAN
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Posted: 2007-03-15 7:56 pm   Permalink

DragonA,

I find it curious that you have singled ME out. If it makes you feel better I will stop referring to Maori or NZ in my posts. However, as this is really the only area of carving that interests me right now, this may cause significant problems for me.

Well, back to the race car and the offroad riding for a while.

Until later,

-Gman

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RevBambooBen
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Posted: 2007-03-15 8:58 pm   Permalink

Hey G,

I don't post much here on carving but that last one looks like you hit the spot!

Rock on man!
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pdrake
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Posted: 2007-03-15 9:49 pm   Permalink

gman, that is one spankin' maori! i love the jade knife. i really, really want to see your library of resource material. the stuff you crank out is so top notch. come to vegas and share that with me and i'll drive you out to dumont to take you for a ride.

 
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Dragonaotearoa
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Posted: 2007-03-15 9:55 pm   Permalink

If you want to do maori carving, go for it, just dont get so upset if someone queries it i dont mind if you want to at all, i did get annoyed at your pm to me, it was overkill as i wasnt being nasty about it. Just giving you they other side of the coin.

I am all for expressing yourself with many different cultural mediums, I do it my self from time to time( I love mehendhi and Celtic stuff) but I am also aware always that it is SOMEONE ELSES culture and that to someone else it may not look right or appropriate to them or what they expect from their own indigeonus artists. And thats cool and I am always glad for feedback and pointers. Especially celtic art as it is quite complex.

I have no qualms about you or anyone else using Maori styles at all, except if it was Ta Moko(as is too spiritual).


    
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AlienTiki
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Posted: 2007-03-15 10:20 pm   Permalink

Racism Sucks.

But that carving is killer.

Ignore the racist troll and keep up the good work Gman.


 
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hewey
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Posted: 2007-03-15 10:54 pm   Permalink

Its Maori-ish with some Gman artistic license. Not many artists on here set out to replicate 100% accurate South Pacific artifacts - so its a given that that the artist/carvers on here have taken some liberties with the design (unless of course someone says "This is 100% accurate"). Some artist change the designs more than others. And you have NZ artists like Paipo and Tama who ARE kiwis who they themselves come up with new twists on traditional designs - particularly the hei tiki. And thats just what they are - an artists version of a particular design, just like this is Gmans version of the tekoteko.

Dragon to me you've come on here and posted bluntly and aggresively - to me it came across as nasty and overly critical. This may or may not have been your intention, but this is how many people have intrepreted it. You even said that you didn't even read all of the posts in this thread before you posted. I don't know what Gman said in his PM, but you've come in and blasted him before you even had the full story - honestly how do you expect him to react?

Gman - keep carving. It might have have blunt, aggresive and based on an inaccurate assumption you were trying to carve an "authentic" tekoteko, but it was meant as constructive criticism. Love your work and looking forward to seeing many more
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VampiressRN
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Posted: 2007-03-15 11:21 pm   Permalink

Really looks awesome in that stain posing in the radiant sunshine. EXCELLENT WORK as usual.
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benella
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Posted: 2007-03-16 12:47 am   Permalink

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On 2007-03-15 16:43, GMAN wrote:

Back to the regularly scheduled program.....More updates from Club Greg coming soon!!

Thank you all!

-Gman




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Driving is cool but fuel is expensive whereas carving is cheap and your updates make me happy



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Dragonaotearoa
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Posted: 2007-03-16 01:20 am   Permalink

I made a bet with my husband when someone would bring racism into it. I won as he said no-one would be that daft. He is by the way white-irish and we have 3 kids.
Race didn't come into it.


    
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Dragonaotearoa
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Posted: 2007-03-16 01:35 am   Permalink

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I understand and have always taken the Maori pride and history in mind when creating my artwork. There are others on this site who flat out copy hisitoric Maori artifacts as closely as possible. Even I find that offensive. Please feel free to chop on them, but I have taken every opportunity NOT to copy any moko designs or other designs that the Maoris use as identity. I am a simple carver who finds great beauty in ancient NZ artwork. Our discussions with the Maori go well beyond what you will likely ever know, and we know we are not stepping on any toes here.

-Gman

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I have tried to say that it was a mis-understanding repeatedly.
This is Aggressive you bunch of gutter bred morons

I think all i stood on was your ego. And it seems to be a big one. It is arrogant to say that discussions on moari art and culture are beyond me. My Uncle was one the south islands greatest master carver and he taught me art at his knees. My family are the most direct bloodlines to a line of chiefs in Ngai tahu. To be precise my great great grandfather was the last chief. Maori culture is personal i was brought up in it, surrounded by it and stood with my family when we fought the government for our land s and rights. you HAVE NO RIGHT or presumption to be a pathetic arrogant little prick and tell me that what you know of maori is beyond me. If you stood here and said that at me while in the presence of my whanau you would seriously have the crap beaten out of you. I am the eldest of my generation and have been expected to know my people, to understand and participate.

Miriama Te Ahi Puia Furlong


    
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congatiki
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Posted: 2007-03-16 05:24 am   Permalink

Peace and Love.


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Jungle Trader
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Posted: 2007-03-16 07:33 am   Permalink

Sensitivity is a huge word. Cool down guys.

 
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Kitty
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Posted: 2007-03-16 12:42 pm   Permalink

Hey, fellas, you think you might want to reel in the hostility just a tad? All the girl did was express an opinion. And if you will stop posturing for just a moment, you might notice that she DID say that your work was good.

 
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