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Chongolio
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Joined: Oct 02, 2002
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From: The Coast of Kauai
Posted: 2003-04-15 08:15 am   Permalink

Gecko, That looks fantastic! You did a grrat job getting that thing looking ancient. If you have the time and don't mind givin' out the secrets, let us know how you did the aging process so perfectly. I am still trying to get that trick figured out. I have a friend that does some neat aging tricks on his paintings using spray paints and water, but It is more of a drippy rusty metal look .Once again Bruddah Gecko you blow our minds with your skillz.
You rock 'um,
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MaD-TiKi
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Joined: Aug 31, 2002
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From: TiKi HeLL
Posted: 2003-04-15 11:24 am   Permalink

Ok, well I'm going to be brave and post my firts tiki carving. I know it's not great, I have a long ways to catch up to BK and Gecko. I have learned alot while carving him, if you are working with palm you must make sure it is dry all the way. If not it's a bitch to work with. He only took me three months to do, just because when I started to carve him he was still wet inside. I cut as much as I could with a chainsaw (from the head to the noise)then I gave up and put him away for two months to let him dry all the way. From the mouth down it took me a few hours a day for two days and he was done. I still have to seal him up so he will last a few. I have one more three foot palm left and I'm going to wait two more months just to make sure it's dry all the way.




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SugarCaddyDaddy
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Joined: Jun 03, 2002
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From: Huntington Beach, California
Posted: 2003-04-15 12:23 pm   Permalink

That's great MT!

I guess you're really going to have to seal the hec out of that top part, so as to make sure it doesn't rot and fall forward. Very different design. It really makes you want to see it at all angles in comparison to some of the round/cylinder shaped tikis.

Hey, maybe the mouth could be a birdfeeder? Although you'd have a bunch-o-poop to deal with. You ought to try a small lighting unit under it's "eyebrow" area and on the underside of its top lip. I bet the effect would be eery and cool!
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PolynesianPop
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
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From: Corona, Ca
Posted: 2003-04-15 12:43 pm   Permalink

Mad-Tiki, very cool to see you carving! I too, have a long way to go before my skills are comparable to some of our in-house masters like Chiki, Gecko or BK. However, all it takes is practice to get us there.


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tikitony
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Joined: Aug 18, 2002
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From: Ventura, CA
Posted: 2003-04-15 3:04 pm   Permalink

Great stuff gecko, like always. You and Basement Kahuna are making great stuff. Chikitiki, I met zz zackery this weekend he had said he met you, what an awesome guy! Chicki, when can we see your stuff, I hear so much about it? Here's a shelf I made and I'm trying to sell. Check out the link if interested
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MaD-TiKi
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From: TiKi HeLL
Posted: 2003-04-15 4:34 pm   Permalink



There you go tikitony, you forgot the ] .
I like that, it looks really cool.

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MaD-TiKi
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From: TiKi HeLL
Posted: 2003-04-15 4:53 pm   Permalink

Thanks SugarCaddyDaddy,
I know I have to seal the hec out of it. The top part I did with a chainsaw and it went alittle to deep, next time it's all going to be done by hand (no chainsaw). I found after it's good and dry that chisels work very well. I have no idea what design I came out with, but I was going for the easter island look until the chainsaw went to far. Live and learn. For my first one I think it came out ok. The birdfeeder is not such a bad idea, I think I will try it. I don't have anything to burn it, so I'm just going to seal it and start getting ready for the next one.

PolynesianPop, thanks. Yeah, I would say I have a few good years to catch up with them guys. Like you said, with alittle practice we will get there. BK, Gecko, Chiki & all the other great cavers keep it up, you bring out the chisels in all of us.

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KAHAKA
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Joined: Mar 03, 2003
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From: San Jose, CA
Posted: 2003-04-15 7:19 pm   Permalink

Now let me get this straight..... I need to seal a fresh palm log immediately? At just the ends or the whole log? My roommate, friend, and I collected six 4-5' logs over the weekend, some of which are 3' in diameter, and probably close to friggin' 800 lbs. or so. I think we may all have hernias (sp?) from lifting the damn things. I imagine we'll have to wait forever to carve the logs, but anyway, what do I do in the meantime? Use pruning seal?

 
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Basement Kahuna
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From: Jawja Province, Isle of North America
Posted: 2003-04-15 9:39 pm   Permalink

You guys are speaking a foreign language to me on palms (we're all pine, poplar, and hardwoods down south)...but cool carvings Mad and Tony! Keep it up.

 
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Basement Kahuna
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From: Jawja Province, Isle of North America
Posted: 2003-04-15 9:46 pm   Permalink

I had to add I'm sure no master by any means but I think any style mastery list should include Keigs. He has taken the torch from Bill Westenhaver and ran with it in ways others could only ever hope to do. I would love to apprentice under a golden age of tiki icon like that...what an oppurtunity!

 
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Jungle Trader
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From: Trader's Jungle Outpost, Turlock, Ca.
Posted: 2003-04-15 10:00 pm   Permalink

Kahaka, in the meantime start looking for a lighter wood to carve (redwood) and let the palm dry (6 mos. to a year) although some palm you can carve into right away without cracking, depends on the amount of water stored. Sealing palm doesn't work, at least I've never heard of it. Palm is very porous, like a sponge. Good luck.

 
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PolynesianPop
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From: Corona, Ca
Posted: 2003-04-16 07:36 am   Permalink

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I had to add I'm sure no master by any means but I think any style mastery list should include Keigs. He has taken the torch from Bill Westenhaver and ran with it in ways others could only ever hope to do.



BK, you're right. Sorry Keigs, didn't mean to leave you out! Yes, Keigs work is definitely Da Kine - a true "passing of the torch" of Witco style.

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I would love to apprentice under a golden age of tiki icon like that...what an oppurtunity!



No kidding! To my knowledge, there's only a few of the great masters left and I don't think anybody else is sharing their secrets!


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MaD-TiKi
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From: TiKi HeLL
Posted: 2003-04-17 08:55 am   Permalink

Yes, I would have to say Keigs is another great carver, soon we will not know the real Witco from his. He has been taught very well and has showed us that in his work.

Bk, I know your last carving was from white pine. It is a great piece of work. How does other pine do carving, or any other kind of wood I can get down here in Florida? I want to jump to something else while I'm waiting for my palm log to dry. If anyone knows of another wood I can start on that I don't have to wait until it's dry please let me know.
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PolynesianPop
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From: Corona, Ca
Posted: 2003-04-17 09:17 am   Permalink

MT,
Lately, I've been carving with Pine. I don't know the different kinds of pine so I'm not exactly sure what type it is.

I've been carving the logs sooner than later because they're softer. I have a pine log that I dried out (about 12 months) and its hard as a rock. I don't even want to carve it anymore because I'm afraid it will really dull my chisels! Now I'm carving logs that are only about 30 days dry. I just seal them completely with several thick coats of varnish (per ChikiTiki's advice) and so far, they've been fine - no cracks, checks, etc.

The negatives about carving these pine logs in comparison to palm is that they're a heavier because they're still densly packed with sap. This makes it a little harder to manage the log. Also, they seem to be a little more of a pain to bark. Other than that, they smell great while you carve em - Pine Fresh!!!

BTW - I'm no pro, so take this info with a grain of salt, if you will. I know a few other carvers on this board have carved pine - Chiki, Tikifille, Hula Hula to name a few. Maybe they can give you some input as well.


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Basement Kahuna
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Posted: 2003-04-17 10:33 am   Permalink

White pine tends to be less grainy than other varieties such as yellow pine or pumpkin pine, and the layers seem to definitely have better adhesion in white pine (I.E. it's less easy to accidentally peel or knock off a previous detail). It is an excellent carving wood, along the characteristics of Basswood. Buy yourself a good DRAW KNIFE and the bark will come off in long sheets. Then all you have left to do is chisel off the remaining sapwood layer until you get a nice, clean, white stick of raw material. You can do some of this with a good quality handplane. Starting out with a good, clean surface will save you work in the end.

 
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