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Davez-tikiz - finally finished Lono 6-11 p.10
congatiki
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Posted: 2006-02-07 4:00 pm   Permalink

hey doubravsky....I love the yipwon...I think that style of stuff is really cool....
I thought of attempting one of those...but now I don't have to cuz yours is gonna be so
nice. Good start on the other projects too.


 
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GMAN
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Posted: 2006-02-07 4:31 pm   Permalink

DB,

That yipwon looks real cool..and fragile. Your Ku looks neat too. Get busy son! Are you still using all your new tools?

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JohnnyP
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Posted: 2006-02-07 4:48 pm   Permalink

Good job on the yipwan. How did you cut it out? I've used a jigsaw, but it seems like the saw is violently shaking the board to the point that it will break off those projections.
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Posted: 2006-02-07 4:53 pm   Permalink

DB,
The Yipwon looks real nice, I'm sure it was scary cutting those angles and tight places. Glad to see you have been busy in your absence. Welcome back.
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Davez_tikiz
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Posted: 2006-02-07 9:34 pm   Permalink

Conga.. thanks.. I like the PNG stuff as well. Looking at JohhnyP's stuff and some sites from Gman made me wanna try one.

Gman.. I'm tryin! Seems like life has been getting in the way of carving WAY too often lately! Actually, on the yipwon I use the arbortech a lot. Bought a scrolling jigsaw to make the big cuts. 2" was a little too much wood for this piece.. I think for the next one I'll start with a 1x8 piece instead.

For the Hawaiian piece.. I've kind of stuck to hand chisels. Trying to improve my skills with them.

JohnnyP, Loki.. Thanks!!! I used a jigsaw, but I bought a new one that was 6 amps and scrolling, then I clamped the crap out of the wood. My old 3.2 amp jigsaw was shaking it up pretty good. It worked ok... I think partly because it was 2" deep wood...which makes for more removal than necessary.


 
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Posted: 2006-02-08 06:22 am   Permalink

Really nice Yipwan, DB, what finish are you going to use? The lono looks like he may be cool too, but he has a long way to go. Excellent work though. Don't let that "Life" thingy get in the way of your carving.
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Davez_tikiz
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Posted: 2006-02-09 8:10 pm   Permalink

Exellent advice Ben! I haven't figured the finish yet.. I'm thinking a dark brown stain, and then maybe sand and stain some more for the aged look. Sort of the way Marcus Thorn aged the profile Cook Island fisherman piece. I really liked that look. Any suggestions?

 
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Davez_tikiz
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Posted: 2006-02-27 06:12 am   Permalink

Well... some progress in the last few weeks....



However... I need some advice!! When I first started this thing months ago,I started by making some deep saw cuts where I thought the arms would go. Problem was, I got them wrong. They are too far forward, and I'm trying to find a way to fix it.










Any suggestions? I think I should try to taper in the arms towards the neck, and try and thin the torso out after that, but I'm struggling with it,...

Help!!!!!


 
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GMAN
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Posted: 2006-02-27 5:07 pm   Permalink

DB,

Glad you're back! He looks great....what are you all worked up about. Keep going, I don't think he looks "off". But if you are still concerned, take a frontal pic and a side pic from further back (showing the whole carving) and post those. It's tough to see what's going on from these shots. From what I can make out, I think he looks fine.

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Polynesiac
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Posted: 2006-02-27 11:32 pm   Permalink

I think he looks just fine the way he is too - but if you decide you want to change the arms, you still have quite a bit of wood in that area to work wih. My advice is to scour TC for pictures (new pics and vintage ones) that show tikis from various angles so you can see how other carvers have done it. Then, once you figure out what you're looking for, study the images closely and see the shape of the arms, how far down the body they go, where the top of the arms attach, etc. and mimic that. Whenever I carve, I always have a ton of images around me so if I get stumped and can't see how a chunk of wood is supposed to be an arm, I look to the pictures for inspiration.

Hope that helped a little
The carving is looking great! can't wait to see more!

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Davez_tikiz
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Posted: 2006-03-08 7:03 pm   Permalink

Poly, thanks for the great idea... I'm working on a scrapbook of sorts with good body part examples from this forum. In the meantime, I got bored with this one and started another one- he is about 32" from a redwood log Aaron traded me. I'm having fun with him...







I'm about to where it's time to do the arms... which is where the frustration sets in. Can anyone share with me the steps they would go through to create the separation in the arms? I really want to have the muscle arms flexed out at the elbow.. just not sure where to start.


 
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GMAN
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Posted: 2006-03-08 7:20 pm   Permalink

DB,

Feel the Force running through your body...it controls all of your movements - If that doesn't work use a chainsaw.

I'm not sure what you mean - I think you want his hands on his thighs with his elbows out away from his body? Is the log wide enough to give you the elbows? If so, I would use a drill, a sawzall, and an angle grinder. Just get the picture in your head and then make the log look that way. If the log is not wide enough to allow space between the elbows and his trunk, shape the arms against the body with his hands on his thighs. Maybe make them similar to the left arm on my newest Maori, only with his hands on his thighs?

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Davez_tikiz
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Posted: 2006-03-08 7:57 pm   Permalink

Thanks G.... (feel the force....).. I would like to get the elbows away from the body hands on thighs. ..Just can't seem to get it figured out in my head where to start.. do I drill in where the hole by the elbow is and work up and down, do I try to bring the shoulders in further to help create the angle out to the elbows.. do I chisel in on the torso to create the spacebeween the elbows.. I don't know why, but it's the one spot I just can't seem to visualize no matter how many good examples I look at.

 
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Posted: 2006-03-08 9:07 pm   Permalink

Dave, it's hard to get these things into words. Isn't it great how carving screws with your head??? that's what makes it all the more satisfyng once you overcome the problem, or as is usually the case, series of problems. You gotta love it!

Looking at your pictures, I'd say you need to move the hands away from the sides, over to where they rest on his thighs. Don't move the shoulders in - you want broad shoulders if you are going for a muscley look. I think there's plenty of wood left to do that. The chest also looks plenty beefy with lots of room for refinement.

Work on the arms first, because that is your hard spot right now, and once you get them right, they will dictate the other surrounding elements, and not the other way around. I think it will work itself out that way.

As far as drilling, I've found out the hard way that it is always best to use a long, small diameter bit to run a pilot hole first. That way you can adjust if it comes out in the wrong spot. Once it comes out right, you can switch to the larger wood boring bit.

Another good rule of thumb is to draw your lines out first, but leave an extra 1/4" or so around them when you make the cuts. Then you can chisel in closer and define muscles, etc after you get the rough proportions in.

This Ku looks right on target so far - sure to be a killer piece.

4 weeks off with mallet elbow & I'm full of good advice... I think I better get get carvin' again. Thanks for the inspiration!

Cheers!

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Posted: 2006-03-08 9:10 pm   Permalink

He is Really looking good. Just take your time and keep working it out. Take a little here and a little there and soon you will see things begin to come together. You are on the right track, I Promise.
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