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HOUSE OF KU
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From: TIKILAND, USA
|  Posted: 2007-04-15 3:44 pm Permalink
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On 2007-04-06 13:59, Bay Park Buzzy wrote:
Here's an update of all my CocoJoes, HIP, and other lava junk
Polyart
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Hey Buzzy, I think this is a cross over piece, marked "Island Arts"... feels like a light wood but is some kind of foam/resin (has tell-tale air bubbles on bottom) 
Aloha, Freddie 
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Bay Park Buzzy
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From: West Bay Park, San Diego, CA
| Posted: 2007-04-17 2:48 pm Permalink
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On 2007-04-08 05:48, uncle trav wrote:
Some upnorth lava.
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Here are some variations of a couple pieces you have:
Different lava beds on each
One marked with a catalog number, one without
The tag:
The top one is much heavier and is made from a mold that has much more overall volume
Clouds above Diamond Head
No clouds
Coconut details
Different shirt pattern
He pulled down his shirt to cover his belly
Markings
One more just for fun:
Two toes, four toes, and no toes
The hair was recarved at some point
All are marked in different places
Thanks for sharing your stuff. Got a few more I'll post later on.
Buzzy Out!
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Bay Park Buzzy
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| Posted: 2007-04-17 3:23 pm Permalink
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On 2007-04-15 15:44, HOUSE OF KU wrote:
Hey Buzzy, I think this is a cross over piece, marked "Island Arts"... Aloha, Freddie
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Hey Freddie, always nice to see your posts. 
Which one do you think "inspired" the other?
Speaking of inspiration...
Here's a few Coco No's I've found(followed by the original sources):
And finally, close ups of the Polyart ashtray:
Aloha
Buzzy Out!
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uncle trav
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| Posted: 2007-04-17 4:57 pm Permalink
Hey Buzzy. Thanks for the comparisons on the ashtrays. Gotta love this stuff! You got an eye for detail. Keep up the good work!
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Bay Park Buzzy
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From: West Bay Park, San Diego, CA
| Posted: 2007-04-19 01:45 am Permalink
Here are a couple more variations of some common Coco Joe's tikis
The more I find and compare some of these pieces, the more I notice that several of them were completely recarved at some point.
Here's are two versions of the Ulani bottle opener #298:
The one on the right is a little larger, and the one I assume to be the older version of the two
The one on the right has a vein detail carved on the top of the head and the one on the left has lines carved in the mouth, as well as one more line detail between the nose and upper lip
The bodies are similar, but completely different when compared detail to detail. I prefer the tool marked look on the one on the right.
Bottom markings:
The one on the left looks newer based on the markings, but it still predates when they started to put the copyright symbol and date on them. This one is as dense as the one on the right. Both are heavier than the plastic feeling ones that came along later. Those are usually marked like the one on the left, but include a copyright date. I think the earliest that I've seen marked with this stamp, copyright, and date is 1978.
Tag:
A few Variations of the Lucky Tiki #107:
The size is the most noticable difference at first glance
A closer look shows more differences than can be attributed to a difference in scale.
The two with the copyrights of 1981 and 1990 are the small ones and feel more plastic in composition than the other two. The one that is marked 107 is the heaviest, and it, along with the blank one, have a ceramic feel to them.
All are stamped on the top, with no real variation other than scale between the two sizes
Tag:
If I made any mistakes , or if any of you all can add some more info, corrections, or conjecture, please, do so.
More later
Buzzy Out!
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HOUSE OF KU
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| Posted: 2007-04-20 03:32 am Permalink
Some more Coco Joe variations, 
I wonder if this is an obscene gesture in some cultures 
Aloha, Freddie
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Bay Park Buzzy
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| Posted: 2007-04-24 2:09 pm Permalink
Freddie: Thanks for playing along. Oh da List! I feel bad for the one guy who got his eyes stolen too. Is there a black market of pilfered eyes out there?
Here are a couple variations of the Lono #109:
I will refer to the one on the right as the larger, heavier, or older version for this post. Once again, there is an obvious recarving of this piece
The easiest way to tell the difference between the two is to look at the detailing on the top of the headress. On the newer version, the details continue all the way up the headress, while it stops at the edge of the eye on the older one
The larger one has more details on the top, as well as more defined features
The larger one has two more holes between the cheeks and headress
Upon close inspection, the bodies are entirely different:
The larger one also has one more triangle detail in the lower part of the headress
Lack of detail on the smaller one:
The bases are different too
The larger one has no date on it. Hey Freddie, you know why there is a ghost image of the logo on this one. Can't grasp how it would have occured...
Copyright of 1980 on this one:
The one with the copyright is still a heavier piece and does not feel plastic. It is still a little larger than others I've had that do not have the gold lettering. Those feel like plastic and are considerably lighter than both versions pictured here. All the details on the plastic ones are the same as the smaller one I posted here. They are the ones I assume to be the newest.
And finally, the tag:
Still more variations to come...
Buzzy Out!
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Bora Boris
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From: Boogie Wonderland
| Posted: 2007-04-29 2:59 pm Permalink
I’m in a posting mood today so here is my Coco Joe’s family
L to R Hapa-Wood Lucky, Lono, Big Lono, Kukailimoku, Goddess of Fertility and Lucky #1.
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AlienTiki
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From: MAUI No Ka'oi
| Posted: 2007-05-13 05:17 am Permalink
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On 2007-01-04 02:37, Paipo wrote:
Anyone got this creepy looking fella
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He looks kinda Alien doesn't he? Back in the early 90's, the Ka'ai this guy was modeled after just up and walked out of the Bishop Museum. It hasn't been seen since. Many people say the Kai'ai was repatriated and is now resting fine in a cave in Waipio.
So the saying goes "Maui No Ka'oi, Bishop Museum No Ka'ai"
Well there's the Tiki Trivia And here's one of my CCJ's that I haven't seen posted here.
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Bay Park Buzzy
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| Posted: 2007-05-23 11:11 pm Permalink
Here are a couple HW 137 KUs with very slight differences.
The one on the right is slightly bigger, and the one I will again assume is the oldest
The mouth, chin, and nose detail differences are slight, but show them to be a different master carving source. It's a little easier to see the differences in person than it is in the pictures.
The tag on the older one has a different wording:
The other tag:
Once again, the larger one has no copyright date, and it has a large hand inscribed catalog number on the bottom
Copyright 79 and a smaller catalog number on the newer one:
And finally, a picture from ebay of an even newer version with the green tag, and the same wording as the `second tag above. It has a little darker color too.
There will always be more...
Buzzy Out!
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HOUSE OF KU
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| Posted: 2007-05-24 02:41 am Permalink
"One more" 
Looks like a brass casting, heavy, hollow cast with something rolling around inside. 
 Top of the head detail. Aloha, Freddie
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TikiJosh
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Posts: 735 | Posted: 2007-05-25 1:33 pm Permalink
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And finally, a picture from ebay of an even newer version with the green tag, and the same wording as the `second tag above. It has a little darker color too.
There will always be more...
Buzzy Out!
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These are the guys that are being sold in places like Honolulu Airport and Waikiki, among other locations. The copyright dates are something like 90, but you can tell they're much newer, and as you noticed, Buzzy, they're darker, too. I picked up a few on a trip to Oahu last year.
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Bay Park Buzzy
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| Posted: 2007-05-28 2:24 pm Permalink
Hey Josh. Here are four different CCJ's Kanaloas, each representing a different era of production. Based on the markings, size, etc, I believe they are in order from the oldest to the newest, from left to right.
As you can see, they all have slightly different shades.
Buzzy Out!
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HOUSE OF KU
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| Posted: 2007-05-30 05:11 am Permalink
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On 2007-04-24 14:09, Bay Park Buzzy wrote:
Freddie: Thanks for playing along. Oh da List! I feel bad for the one guy who got his eyes stolen too. Is there a black market of pilfered eyes out there?
__I think pilfered eyes are more common then you might think ... 
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Here are a couple variations of the Lono #109:
I will refer to the one on the right as the larger, heavier, or older version for this post. Once again, there is an obvious recarving of this piece
_Variation,AliiGold#42______________________________________________________________ The easiest way to tell the difference between the two is to look at the detailing on the top of the headress. On the newer version, the details continue all the way up the headress, while it stops at the edge of the eye on the older one
The larger one has more details on the top, as well as more defined features
The larger one has two more holes between the cheeks and headress
Upon close inspection, the bodies are entirely different:
The larger one also has one more triangle detail in the lower part of the headress
Lack of detail on the smaller one:
The bases are different too
Still more variations to come...
Buzzy Out!
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Add one to Da List Freddie
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uncle trav
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From: Kalamazoo
| Posted: 2007-06-03 05:33 am Permalink
A couple of new CCJ's finds
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