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Bond, James Bond
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Posted: 2007-04-30 07:20 am   Permalink

Velveteen Lounge's husband Paul has the original Casino Royal soundtrack on reel to reel (still great quality) it is a must have.

 
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Posted: 2007-04-30 5:01 pm   Permalink

And let me add this...(regarding the euro knock-offs). Most of them are really bad. Almost unwatchably bad. The ones I mentioned are pretty fun and one other series was just released on a cheap DVD collection. "Kommissar X". There are three films in this package. There may have been 5 films made. Anyway, they are ridiculous enough to be really enjoyable and they deliver on all the spy cliche´s. The box has a cheap porn type photo on it. Don't let it fool you.

 
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Posted: 2007-05-03 11:32 am   Permalink

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On 2007-04-30 17:01, spy-tiki wrote:
And let me add this...(regarding the euro knock-offs). Most of them are really bad. Almost unwatchably bad. The ones I mentioned are pretty fun and one other series was just released on a cheap DVD collection. "Kommissar X". There are three films in this package. There may have been 5 films made. Anyway, they are ridiculous enough to be really enjoyable and they deliver on all the spy cliche´s. The box has a cheap porn type photo on it. Don't let it fool you.



I'm going to have to check those out. I love bad movies that are so cheesy and awful that they are quite enjoyable to watch.

Oh yeah. I did love Deadlier than the Male. I haven't seen it in awhile now though. I did have an old vhs copy of it. I need to get it on DVD.

This weekend I'm rewatching Fathom starting Raquel Welch. It's been awhile since I've watched it, but all this spy talk got me wanting to see it again.

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VampiressRN
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Posted: 2007-05-03 12:28 pm   Permalink

You guys are good...I don't know some of these movies you are listing, so appreciate the info, and will be checking them out.

I have an extra room at the front of my house, it is attached, but only accessible from the front patio. It is a bedroom with a full bath and a closet, and I use it as a guest house. It has a daybed, my father's desk (which I had refinished and it looks awesome), a cabinet/bar piece, some bookcases, and gonna put a little couch in there too. I had it painted green (like the color of a bamboo leaf), and about ready to do some decorating. I am going to call it the BOND BUNGALOW and will be putting up Bond posters and placing whatever spy collectibles I have in there. I have a good collection of books which I should post here someday. Anyway, once I get it finished I will post pictures. It won't be to die for, but will be OK. There is a guy on that Bond message board that has unbelievable items in his collection, his name is
Mantis and if I ever find the pictures of his collection, I will post that link...cause it will blow your mind.
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King Bushwich the 33rd
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Posted: 2007-05-03 2:34 pm   Permalink

Incredible world of Spy-fi Exhibit
Queen Mary
Long Beach, CA

Through Sept 2007

http://www.queenmary.com/index.php?page=spyfi

http://www.presstelegram.com/entertainment/ci_5802718

Exhibit includes James Bond's Walther PPK, The tarantula from "Dr. No" and Maxwell Smart's shoe phone

The exhibit has been previously displayed courtesy of the CIA.

https://www.cia.gov/spy_fi/index.html




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VampiressRN
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Posted: 2007-05-04 09:38 am   Permalink

I would love to got to that...thanks for posting the links. Boy...there is a heavy collector and kewl that he is willing to share his passion through shows. Good way to support your addiction.
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roguespy007
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Posted: 2007-05-04 1:38 pm   Permalink

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On 2007-05-03 12:28, VampiressRN wrote:
You guys are good...I don't know some of these movies you are listing, so appreciate the info, and will be checking them out.

I have an extra room at the front of my house, it is attached, but only accessible from the front patio. It is a bedroom with a full bath and a closet, and I use it as a guest house. It has a daybed, my father's desk (which I had refinished and it looks awesome), a cabinet/bar piece, some bookcases, and gonna put a little couch in there too. I had it painted green (like the color of a bamboo leaf), and about ready to do some decorating. I am going to call it the BOND BUNGALOW and will be putting up Bond posters and placing whatever spy collectibles I have in there. I have a good collection of books which I should post here someday. Anyway, once I get it finished I will post pictures. It won't be to die for, but will be OK. There is a guy on that Bond message board that has unbelievable items in his collection, his name is Mantis and if I ever find the pictures of his collection, I will post that link...cause it will blow your mind.




I've been finding out about movies up here that I had never heard of myself. I like to think that I know movies. There are some very good titles that have been mentioned by I think many of us.

I love the idea of your Bond Bungalow. That sounds amazing. I think it will be quite a fascinating place. Definitely post pics if you get the opportunity.

If you ever find the link to those pics of Mantis', then please share it with us. It will be interesting to see.

I live in an apartment. I've been doing some redecorating. Nothing special. I have been fixing my living room up more like a retro game room with posters of the Rat Pack, pin-up girls, etc. on the wall. I wish I had the room in there for a pool table. There's not enough room for a bar, but it would be nice to have like a bar cabinet or something of that nature. I am thinking of redoing my bedroom with a lot of posters of movies from like the 60's, stuff like Bond, Derek Flint, Matt Helm, and other spy movies. Also whatever else strikes my fancy.

This has been quite an intriguing thread.



 
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roguespy007
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Posted: 2007-05-14 1:28 pm   Permalink

This topic has been pretty inactive for awhile now. I thought I would see what everyone was up to.

So Vampiress, how is the decorating going?

I've actually been interesting in finding online companies that specialize in retro and vintage type of decorations, furnishing, etc. Anybody know of any good ones?

Being in a Bond mood, I actually rewatched "Dr. No" this past weekend. I love that movie. I was looking over Bond's apartment. I loved his style.

Not really Bond, but I was also rewatching "That's Amore" which is a collection of mostly clips from Dean Martin's tv show in the 60's/70's. I love a lot of the style on the sets.



 
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DJ Terence Gunn
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Posted: 2007-05-22 08:10 am   Permalink

I've been throwing Spy & Sleuth theme parties (based in the 1950s, '60s, and '70s) in public, then non-public for nearly every year for the last 12 years. I've enjoyed a great deal of the spy and detective shows and movies from these decades ever since I was a child. The Ian Fleming books (which bear little semblance to the films) I also enjoy. I even formed a group of session musicians to play out now and again called The Spy & Sleuth Orchestra. So what am I saying? Basically that I'm a nut for all that stuff. Or rather, I used to be.

But what attracted/attracts me to the spy fantasy world are the cultural and pop elements of the 1960s that defined the genre: the music (this is #1), the fashion (clothes, cars, decor, architecture, hair styles, etc.), the locales (many of which are no longer or have been completely altered), the sophistication, the cinematography and opening sequences, the politics, the actors, and, of course, the cocktails and cigarettes. The 1970s Bond films even worked well, despite the cultural changes.

But James Bond in the 1980s? Doesn't work. The Cold War is over. Culture has changed. Fashion and decorum has changed. Things have become decadent. AIDs is now present. And Las Vegas and many other adult playgrounds start the descent of becoming Disneyland. Bond in the 1990s? Even more so and even worse. And now Bond in the 2000s? Come on. It's called franchise; flogging a dead horse, whilst at the same time trying to keep up with the trends and reinvent it. It just doesn't work. It's 'The Friday the 13th' of spy films.

In my opinion the Bond franchise -- like the Dr. Who franchise -- has been subpar from the 1980s onward. Though large of budget and very professionally made, the Bond films of the 1960s and '70s were never serious movies to begin with. Making money was always an incentive, but what made the Bond films from those decades fun was gone in the 1980s, and continued to be absent in each subsequent release (especially in the current release). And again, what gave the films their flavour was the cultural elements of those decades, with a strong emphasis on the music, fashion, and general society.

Basically it comes down to style. And what gave the James Bond films popularity was style. That particular style started disappearing in the late 1970s and was gone by the 1980s. Politics, views, and the world had changed. The character was and is no longer believable. In fact, the character was and is pointless and out of place. (Despite its goofiness, even Austin Powers points this out.)

A character based in the 1950s and early '60s simply does not work in the 1980s, 1990s, and especially today, no matter who plays the role. And aren't there already enough Bond films? The style changes to be more 'modern', but the formula is exactly the same. Perhaps if 'Casino Royale' had been properly set in the 1950s with no modern special effects and traits, with an actor who resembled the character in the book (in manners, looks, and personality -- believe it or not, Bond was based on Carey Grant), it may have proved a film worthy of more attention. After all, it was the only Ian Fleming Bond book that hadn't been made into a film (and the 'Casino Royale' camp comedy of the 1960s has nothing to do with the Bond book).

Out of respect 'Casino Royale' deserved better treatment.

In any case, for a more serious spy film from the 1960s, watch 'The Ipcress File' with Michael Caine. Better yet watch the series 'Danger Man' with Patrick MacGoohan, which predates the first Bond film, and really has that swingin' '60s feel, even before it was really swingin'.

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VampiressRN
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Posted: 2007-05-23 9:35 pm   Permalink

I know a lot of hard-core Bond fans share your same sentiments DJ. I have always tried to keep an open mind and am very appreciative that the Bond movies are still being made. (However, never was a fan of the Roger Moore films....but watch them from time to time for amusement.)

I'm giving up my master bedroom to my sister and her husband when they stay with me next week, so that means I move to the Bond Bungalow. That should be a perfect time for me to do some Bonding in there. I have plenty of books and such to put on the book cases. What I have is all the movie posters in a laminated format. Of course I would have liked to had all of them very nicely framed, but don't have the mula for that. I am going to see what they will look like on the walls. Maybe placed at different angles as opposed to in graphical straight lines. If there is room to do that I think it will add more pizazz. Once I get it done I will post pictures.
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Posted: 2007-05-27 8:59 pm   Permalink

My favorite Bond is Sean Connery. I prefer his Bond films over any of the others. Part of it is the era that they were made in. I adore the 60's. I also like a lot of the other spy movies that were made during that time period. I do, however, still enjoy the Bond movies that have been made over the years. I'm not saying that part of me doesn't think it would be neat if they were all set in the 50's/60's, but that's not going to happen. I'm glad they are still making the movies though. Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan are my two least favorite Bonds.

Good luck with staying in the Bond Bungalow. I hope you are able to get it decorated like you want it. I know that I for one am intrigued and interested to see pictures of it when you get finished with it. I think it sounds fascinating and should be quite the place for a spy fan to stay.

Oh yeah. My latest two blog posts on MySpace have had to do with Bond girls. The latest of the two deals with Ursula Andress as Honey Ryder. Here's my blog's address if anyone wants to check it out:

http://blog.myspace.com/roguespy007

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I know a lot of hard-core Bond fans share your same sentiments DJ. I have always tried to keep an open mind and am very appreciative that the Bond movies are still being made. (However, never was a fan of the Roger Moore films....but watch them from time to time for amusement.)

I'm giving up my master bedroom to my sister and her husband when they stay with me next week, so that means I move to the Bond Bungalow. That should be a perfect time for me to do some Bonding in there. I have plenty of books and such to put on the book cases. What I have is all the movie posters in a laminated format. Of course I would have liked to had all of them very nicely framed, but don't have the mula for that. I am going to see what they will look like on the walls. Maybe placed at different angles as opposed to in graphical straight lines. If there is room to do that I think it will add more pizazz. Once I get it done I will post pictures.




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Posted: 2007-05-28 1:48 pm   Permalink

Though I prefer Connery, as most Bond fans do, in the Bond role (even though he doesn't come very close to the character of Bond in the novels), I find it amazing how many people do not/did not like Roger Moore in the James Bond role; and yet Moore played Bond in seven movies -- proof that the Bond role was not dictated by a public popularity contest. Before playing the role Moore was hardly a stranger to the genre: The Saint, The Persuaders, etc. Though he may not look dangerous and is not dark of hair, he was tall, handsome, slender but muscular, could kick some serious ass, was dry of wit, and was stylish and debonaire -- traits the Bond character in the movies was/is known for. But at the same time, I suppose I'm indifferent to Roger Moore as James Bond: I neither like nor dislike him in the role; he's credible in the role and works well enough. And Moore's second Bond appearance, 'The Man With The Golden Gun', ranks as my second favourite James Bond film.

On the same token, my favourite James Bond film is 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'. Of all the Bond films that capture the essence of the Ian Fleming novels, 'OHMSS' comes the closest -- in Lazenby's portrayal of Bond and in the story itself. What makes this film so terrific is that it contains all the attributes one has come to expect of a Bond picture, but at the same time it departs from some of the former trends, and shows Bond as a vulnerable human being with feelings and emotions, rather than as a hollow, womanising, joke-cracking, wooden super hero like Connery (and Moore). I thought Lazenby was an excellent Bond in all ways. And contrary to popular belief, Lazenby decided to call it quits as Bond just after the film was released. He was not sacked because people thought he was terrible in the role. (Once again, I reiterate that Roger Moore was not well-received, either, and he did seven consecutive Bond films.) Frankly, I would've liked to have seen Lazenby play Bond throughout the 1970s. Film goers had been weened on Connery, so no matter who replaced him, there was ultimately going to be mixed reviews. And until Dalton took over in the mid-1980s, no Bond actor (Connery or otherwise) had been in a story faithful to Ian Flemings novels, or approached the role of Bond as Ian Fleming had written. George Lazenby was (again until Dalton) the best portrayal of the Bond character, and 'OHMSS' the most faithful Bond film.

'OHMSS' also has the best music score; it features Diana Rigg and Telly Savalas and Bernard Horsfall; there's actually two stories that are interwoven into one, thus creating more complexity; Bond is actually shown to do some real espionage work for a change (disguising himself as and learning the speach, manner, and vocal tone of Sir Hilary Bray); the fight scenes and stunts are far superior to any Connery film; and the amazingly-shot ski chase scenes are the absolute apex of physical Bond action in the all of the Bond films. It's all top-notch.

As with life, when it comes to Bond, I see the forest rather than just the trees.



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I do prefer Sean Connery to Roger Moore, or any other actor who's played Bond for that matter. I have been pretty negative about Moore in some discussions I've had. I think I've been a little too hard on him. He played 007 in seven official Bond films. That's more than any other actor did, including Connery. He must have been doing something right. Plus some of his Bond flicks are among my favorites of the franchise. I really love "The Man with the Golden Gun" myself. He also did two of my least favorite though, "Moonraker" and "A View to a Kill." I do like the way you described Roger Moore, his appearance, and characteristics. I'm not going to try to add anything to that. I think you did a good job with that. I do think that I prefer Moore as Simon Templar in "The Saint" over his take on Bond. He did though contribute a lot to the Bond franchise and he deserves the recognition and acclaim. He's not my favorite 007, but he's not my least favorite either. That dishonor goes to Pierce Brosnan, who played in a couple of really good Bond films, but just never did anything for me as Bond.

My favorite James Bond film is "Goldfinger." I did really love "On Her Majesty's Secret Service." It's one of my favorite films and it's actually my favorite of the Ian Fleming novels. I did like seeing the emotional side of Bond. I thought George Lazenby did an outstanding job as Bond. It's a shame that he didn't take another swing at Bond. I wish he would have stayed on instead of Connery coming back for "Diamonds Are Forever." I understand that people have this misconception that Lazenby was canned because of whatever reason. We know that's not the case. It would have been nice to have seen him do a few more Bond films. He got a raw deal with the public like Dalton did. There's all these misconceptions that Dalton was the second choice. He only got the role because Brosnan was tied up with "Remington Steele." When in fact, the producers had been after Dalton multiple times. Also he wasn't canned from the role either. He stepped away. I wish he would have done more than two Bond flicks.

I do think that no matter who stepped into the role after Connery they were going to have gotten some heat. Connery made pretty much back to back Bond movies. They were rolling them out. He was identified with Bond. That's the image people had of who 007 was. Lazenby stepped into some big shoes. I do wish he would have gone on to have done "Diamonds Are Forever" and maybe even the first couple of Moore's. Then I would have liked to have seen Dalton take over from Moore by "A View to a Kill." I think Moore was getting a little too old by then. Dalton could have then done his two and then some of Brosnan's. Leave off "Die Another Day."


 
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Posted: 2007-06-14 12:27 pm   Permalink

Although I, too, have a fondness for the Sean Connery Bond, I have an infinitely greater fondness for Ian Fleming. Around the time that You Only Live Twice was coming out, I had started reading the books. I read them all before most of the movies were made and, as is often the case with movies based on books, I preferred the book versions. I consider Octopussy to be a hybrid as Fleming died before he finished it. James Lawrence picked up where Fleming left off and completed the work.

Probably the main reason that I preferred the books in the case of Bond was that Fleming's tales were based to a considerable degree on his experience in British Naval Intelligence. So many of his fictional characters, places, and schemes were taken from real life characters, places, and schemes. As the Bond film productions became increasingly unrealistic, the Fleming connection within them faded.

As for Roger Moore, I both liked and disliked his portrayals, however, I do not really blame him for the shortcomings reflected on the silver screen. You see, when Fleming sold the movie rights to Harry Saltzman, he already knew who he wanted to play Bond. If I recall (from accounts in the 60s), Fleming had two luminaries in mind David Niven and Roger Moore.

I'm not sure which or the two was his first choice. He probably could have gone either way. Both were suave, debonair and had savoir-faire. Niven was a more widely known headliner at the time. Moore physically looked quite a bit like Fleming, who of course, was the real Bond.

But Saltzman and his co-producer Cubby Broccoli wanted, insisted upon, and got Sean Connery. By the time that Dr. No, From Russia with Love, and Goldfinger came out, I don't think the public had any clue that Connery was not the first choice. Can't blame Connery. Plus, I'm a big enough Connery fan (from Darby O'Gill and the Little People to Time Bandits to Entrapment...).

The fact that David Niven was one of Fleming's top choices to play Bond gives at least some redeeming quality (however miniscule) to the first Casino Royale. David Niven was one of the Bonds.

The fact that Roger Moore was corny, had ridiculous gadgets, and even more ridiculous storylines didn't make the transition from "household Bond" Connery to some guy that nobody knew actually looked like the real Bond (Fleming) and was one of Fleming's top choices. Moore came across very well in The Saint. It's the studio that we have to credit with the circus act that the Bond films became.

Well, those are my twopence.




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DJ Terence Gunn
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Carey Grant was the first choice to play Bond, as, I reiterate, Grant was whom the Bond character was based. And that is a bit strange, as Bond in the books is described to look like a cross between Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton, but with a scar across one cheek. Before Connery was given the role Peter Anthony had won the role of Bond, but lacked the acting ability. Before Anthony, yes, Roger Moore and David Niven had been asked, as well as James Mason, Steve Reeves (an American), Patrick McGoohan, Richard Johnson, Richard Burton, Trevor Howard, Rex Harrison, Ian Hendry, and William Franklyn. I'm sure there were others, and some were American actors.

Barry Nelson (an American) was, however, the first actor to play James Bond (on the small screen), in a rather tame adaption (it was 1954, afterall) of 'Casino Royale' for the American TV show 'Climax'.

And to bring up George Lazenby again, he was, in fact, offered the role of Bond for 'Diamonds Are Forever', but he was turned off (much like Connery) of the intesity involving the whole Bond phenomena, so turned it down. Connery was called upon again, and because he hadn't had success since his last Bond film, and was offered an enormous sum of money to come back again, accepted the role one more time. Roger Moore was quite the veteran by this time, and he loved attention and loved to be loved, so finally accepting the role of Bond seems so fitting some how. By that time Moore required larger shoes to step into.

It's interesting how such a successful and overwhelmingly popular movie phenomena evolved on such clumsy calculation, last minute saves, and more misses than hits. But it did. And I'm not just referring to the role of Bond. Nearly every aspect of the Bond films have interesting stories behind their evolution.


 
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