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The Lurid low-brow Tiki-Art of Brad (tiki-shark) Parker
bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2009-04-13 6:38 pm   Permalink

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On 2009-04-13 13:06, Tiki Shark Art wrote:
.....If I leave the dead bird out, The painting becomes a little more accessible to the common viewer, and hopefully then, an image that would sell more prints. You see, I was having this talk with my mom.........Her argument was something like "Do you see Thor painting dead birds? No, you don't. Why? Cause who'd buy a painting of a dead bird?".....

.....Of course, I also consider them heavily influenced by the Aurora monster models I built as a kid. Each one is a specific character on a "stand" (or setting), with hopefully a classic and implied legendary tale behind them....

.....And, I got a really great printer. His reproductions are so spot on, I can retain the image. It's not exactly the same as the original, but it's close....



Brad-
First of all: Mom is always right! And commercial concerns are as valid as artistic ones.... --cuz if you starve to death, you can't paint the next one!

Second: As a teenager I painted and built the following Aurora kits:
Frankenstein, The Mummy, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, The Phantom of the Opera, the Forgotten Prisoner, AND the Guillotine (which I made functional) --and that was in Germany, mind you. There was just ONE store in Hamburg that carried them, and to which I carried my allowance every month.

And last: I am so glad to hear you have a good printer, that is sooo important!



 
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teaKEY
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Posted: 2009-04-13 7:09 pm   Permalink

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Aloha Tiki Tribe!
little lost tiki - Ha, you are mean to anyone!

bigbrotiki ~ I just had a chat with someone about the dead bird. Paint it in or leave it out? If I put it in, the painting becomes a sudo-eco statement about evasive species in the Hawaiian Islands and the depletion of the native bird population, or even an urge to make sure your cat is spade or neutered to help with the feral cat problem on the islands.
If I leave the dead bird out, The painting becomes a little more accessible to the common viewer, and hopefully then, an image that would sell more prints. You see, I was having this talk with my mom, and my print sales go to help her financially. So, for mom's sake instead of the native Hawaiian bird's plight, the dead bird will not be painted in, but will perhaps be addressed in a future painting - after my mom's retirement is more secure.
Her argument was something like "Do you see Thor painting dead birds? No, you don't. Why? Cause who'd buy a painting of a dead bird?" (Mom is a total hoot!)
And... Thank you, I am deeply honored to have you compare me to one of my all time low-brow art heroes Mark Ryden. Wow, that really made my day! Jeeze I can feel my head swelling! These last two paintings sure have been influenced alot by Ryden's work. And, I got a really great printer. His reproductions are so spot on, I can retain the image. It's not exactly the same as the original, but it's close.

[ This Message was edited by: teakey 2009-04-13 13:10 ]




If my vote counts for anything I say paint a bird. Why a bird? All great paintings are more than just something pretty to look at. To be able to paint a great looking painting may only take a skilled hand. Now great art should also contain a reason or thought provoking questions. This type of painting would need a skilled mind and hand.

I thought of the dead bird meaning one of two things which would be up to the viewer to decide (two sides for me at least). Did the cat, who dresses sharply and plays a sunset ukulele, kill the bird and now plays a remorseful song before the feast? Feels sorry for the things he must do to live. Or was this loving feline a friend to the bird? Just found him dead and performs a song of sorrow and drinks to a fallen friend. In any direction, I don't really want to know the correct answer.

You asked the question would Thor paint the dead bird and I too don't think he would. When I think of Thor's work, I think of Thomas Kinkade (the painter of light) for his great detail to habitats in beautiful landscapes. I'm saying this in a good way cause some great "low brow" artist hate Kinkade but Thor uses creativity that Kinkade doesn't.
Would Mark Ryden paint the dead bird, absolutly. If you haven't checked out
www.markryden.com to see the new snow series, its worth a look. He is certainly edgey. A nude girl who looks like she could be in her low teens. And yes I buy all his work if I had the cash.

Something you could do, I love all the progress shots that you post and in doing so, I've gazed at your work longer than other Tiki Central painter or Mark Ryden painting times ten. I think each progress shot is a worthy painting in itself. What you could do is make prints of a non-bird version and half the run in the thought provoking bird version. Either way, you still have your first sell here.

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Robb Hamel
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Posted: 2009-04-14 06:11 am   Permalink

Okay, the zoom in on the cat's eye and the way you presented it kinda freaked me out too. Shivers-inducing.
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Tiki Shark Art
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Posted: 2009-04-14 11:11 am   Permalink

Aloha Tiki Tribe!
SAM! ~ Yes, you CAN see them in all cat's eyes if you gaze into them long enough. Like when you wake up in the middle of the night, and you can see them mere inches away from your face as the cat is laying on your chest watching you sleep.
Suburbanpagan~ Big Mahalo! I appreciate your very kind words.. it's really nice to hear validation like this.
Bigbrrotiki~ Oh my Aurora Model kit Brother! My thanks for your thoughts. I too was hiking to the hobby store with allowance money in my pocket - but in the wilds of Nebraska.
teaKEY~ Thanks for the heads up on the new Mark Ryden work. I just got his Tree Show book, and the book that's all in Japanese. The Snow Yak Show is very strange and beautiful - as is all Ryden's work! Yes, Mark would put in a dead bird. And a naked nine year old girl. And an old toy animal.

And thanks to both of you for the considerations.

I did think of doing two versions. Paint in the dead bird - have the painting scanned in for prints. Then paint out the dead bird and have it scanned again for a second "G-rated" version of prints. It's a strange idea, who's strangeness alone makes it appealing to me. However, I'm not sure if I can sustain the creative thrust on this long enough to do all that. It's almost done, if I don't paint in the bird. Perhaps I finish, go on to the next one, then I can always come back and paint in that bird after I sold some prints.

Other news - I submitted to SPECTRUM: The Best in Contemporary Fantastic Art again this year. I submitted five pieces and one got excepted into the competition, and thus will make it into the book! Yippee! What got in?

"Bela Lugosi has a Zombie"

Robb Hamel ~ Thanks Robb, glad to creep you out!

Here's the bit more... almost done...
Drink, and whiskers, and ground...

Oh yeah, Show 69 of Cocktail Nation is called "Diga Diga Doo"! You can listen to me a Koop talk about that piece a bit.
http://www.cocktailnation.net/


B~

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Badd Tiki
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Posted: 2009-04-14 3:17 pm   Permalink

Those are sweet.

Where does Zombie Legousi shop anyway? I want a shirt like that.


 
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Tiki Shark Art
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Posted: 2009-04-14 5:59 pm   Permalink

Badd Tiki - Thanks! There is a secret to this Aloha shirt that has yet to be revealed.

"Bela Lugosi Has A Zombie"

As was pointed out to me, and forgive me for not mentioning, this painting is known to the Tiki Tribe by another title: It's "Tiki" title:
"Otto Von Stroheim Has A Zombie."

Aloha~


 
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Posted: 2009-04-14 6:33 pm   Permalink

LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT!!!!!

the textures r perfect!!!!!

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Posted: 2009-04-14 11:58 pm   Permalink

You may already have fixed this, but you need to put a little shadow under the tiki mug to tie it down to the ground. It's popping out of the picture right now.





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Posted: 2009-04-15 09:23 am   Permalink

HEY ALL...I had to jump in the Dead Bird thing here, since my name was mentioned!!! It's a really interesting subject!!

First...as always, FANTASTIC work Brad!! You are a truly masterful painter and Illustrator. I can't say enough great things. Wanted to say hi here too!

GREAT feedback from Teakey and Bigbrotiki, by the way. Well Here's my thought, for what it is worth.

Subject matter for art is something I always ponder each time I paint. I have to decide what I want to say..and what I can expect in result from the viewer. I recall at Imagineering, we were told that Walt would always tell the designers. "Before you draw a thing...ask yourself one question, WHO IS MY AUDIENCE ?" If I want to paint something and make an impact as an "artist", and not concerned with things like the nasty old words "marketability" or "commercial potential", not to mention offending anyone..etc...Well my imagination is unleashed like nobodies business. In this case, the ultimate goal is GET A BIG REACTION to my art. Many great painters had this goal alone...and not concerned with their work's marketability or who looked at it. This is valid and can produce powerful art. Will it sell more than one time as an original? Often not. But..that goes with the risk of such unfettered freedom and is to be accepted. Mark Ryden, from early in his career always impressed me as a guy focused on fine art and very "painter" in personality and goals. He seemed to want to be recognized by his art in shows, where subject matter was very open. The commercial value for him came as a secondary thing So...we might be comparing apples to oranges. It's as fine line.

I, personally consider myself more an "Illustrator" than a painter. But I recall that debate as to other artist, more noted than I, who were often labeled as both. Norman Rockwell was such a case. He was the "great American Illustrator"..but my Lord, the guy could paint!! He is also a highly collected artist..for his "paintings". So..I think deserves to be called a great painter too. But, he was always thinking of marketability and his viewers as well as the things he felt like painting. He was influenced by many of the dutch Realists and classic painters before he studied Howard Pyle, N.C. Wyeth and the other Illustrators he was inspired by. Anyway, I am getting off subject a wee.

I see Brad as both a great painter and an Illustrator that is always thinking of who will see his work (audience) and how his work can support his career, not JUST get a reaction. So, in this case, I can see how a dead bird would certainly be a powerful image to get response...even if negative. But I support his choice to leave it out based on his goals as I interpret them. Now, if I were an art buyer that said to Brad, " HEY Brad...I want you to express yourself!! Shock me...Make me laugh till I pee or am so horrified I want to climb under a rug for a week. Price is no object!". That being the objective, I guarantee Brad would paint that dead bird and a LOT more that we may not be able to even post on this site for our virgin eyes to behold". LOL! (That's a compliment, Brad.)

Anyway, I feel art has to always be looked at in the context of what the artist's intentions are...the expectations. But again, this is why art is so fun and fascinating to me. It's often not what I try to say in my work that interests me..it's what others see in it that keeps me interested. I would much rather hear other people's narration of what I painted than my own. I have heard a few people use comparison of me to Thomas Kinkade and I am not at all offended by that, but Thomas has never been an inspiration in the least ( No offense Thomas!!..I know we are both Art Center College Alum!) . "Painter's of light" and glowing windows and light radiating in a high contrast painting were born in the times of the early realist masters...it's really not a thing Kinkade invented at all, or I. The term "painter of light" is really just a good example of a well advertised marketing phrase and an artist that is more heavily commercialized than any other in our time..so he becomes associated with the light phenomenon and effect. Well if Kinkade can be the "The painter of light..", dog gonnit, I paint with flaming rum, so Maybe I can be..... " The lighter of paint", instead! lol! (just joshin')

Sorry if this was too wordy. I don't mean to take up Brad's thread here talking about my meandering thoughts and apologize in advance. My name was mentioned, so I felt inclined to comment. Great work Brad!!! Hello to Teakey and Bigbrotiki...Great thoughts!! Now, back to my coffee and painting..I need to shut up and stop procrastinating!!



 
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Tiki Shark Art
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Posted: 2009-04-15 2:52 pm   Permalink

Aloha Tiki Tribe!

Bigtoe ~ Thanks! It was so good to hang with you and LLT while I was in LA. Can't wait to do it again sometime!

Grog ~ Yep! That's the ticket! Thanks Mr. Art Director!

THOR ~ Thanks for the long and thoughtful response. And the great complements about my work! :Really, I am honored. It's always a treat to hear other artist's perception of the creative process, and the art world. Especially folks who's work I greatly respect.
This is the big question of our times: Art vs illustration. Or it WAS the big question of the times when I was coming out of school and into the work world - in the 80's.

When I was in collage, I was told I wasn't an artist I was an illustrator and didn't belong in a "Fine Art" class. I wanted to paint monsters and tikis and I was unteachable. So, foolishly, I believed the stuck-up a-hole professor who told me that, and I shied away from gallery painting and went into commercial art. The "Fine Art" world of the 80's was all nonrepresentational or photo-realistic.

It wasn't until the 90's that Robert William's unbending will made the underground surge of "Low Brow Art" something for the "Fine Art" crowd to finally consider worthy. Now, artist's like Todd Schorr and Mark Ryden's cartoon-like figurative works are collected by museums and go for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ryden's "Tree of Life" painting was reported to have sold for over $800,000.00. What's so thrilling about that (for me) is not the sheer amount of money, it's the sheer amount of respect for that style of art that was considered unworthy 20 years ago.

Today we live in a world were Art and and Illustration are blurred together. No one can tell you whats what. Anything goes in an ART gallery. "Low Brow" magazines like Juxtapoz and Hi Fructose sell as much as "High Brow" magazines like American Art Collector.

There will never be 100% acceptance for Low Brow art from everyone in the Fine Art world. And I'm glad about that. I don't want to paint for everyone. I want to paint for the people who, like me, love Low Brow Art. Specifically, I want to paint for people who appreciate tiki culture. Tikis, Bela Lugosi, cartoon cats.

It's the cultural icons that we grew up with painted with the respect that was only previously given to biblical or religious and political figures, or "serious" material. To me, this is serious material. Sven Kristen's "Tiki Modern" is like my bible. It's icons and images are worthy of every ounce of artistic effort I can muster.

However, I do want to pay the rent. But, I don't want to sink into the realm of "Tourist Art" and end up painting waves and whales. There are thousands of artists here in Hawaii painting landscapes and seascapes and dolphins. They are all very good, all better then me, and all look exactly alike.

That's a whole other conversation. "Tiki Art" vs "Tourist Art".

For now, back to finishing the cat.


Whiskers in. Just how to treat the ground is still bouncing around my head. But, I will watch the shadows and make sure things look like they are resting on the ground. Working on the drink.

All great stuff! Thanks guys!
B~


 
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little lost tiki
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Posted: 2009-04-16 08:03 am   Permalink

Boy!
you shore kin paint dem whiskers!

You're right about the artist/illustrator observation....
Explains why a lot of lowbrow artists seem unfocused and confused sometimes...

You and Thor both are illustrators,but mainly fine artists
because your work speaks
loudly,when printed on paper
Super Loud when viewed in person
(by "loud" i mean the impact/drenched with feeling
one gets when standing in front of an original painting...

I say keep the bird
he is necessary to what your original intention was
so a lot of the core feelings remain in that concept...
That whole "communicate what YOU really want
vs the consideration of the audience
(ie: artist vs illustrator)
can be balanced by most
and you and Thor both
seemed to have nailed it!

Now let's see that birdy!

Congrats on the Spectrum acceptance again!
thanks for representing Tiki to the masses!

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Tiki Shark Art
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Posted: 2009-04-16 2:09 pm   Permalink

Aloha Tiki Tribe~
LLT~ Thanks so much for the interesting critique. I take everything into deep consideration, and especially the words from my fellow tiki artist's - who inspire me - like you!

I was working on the ground again last night, but now think I have an idea how I want to finish it.

Big Mahalo!


 
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Tiki Shark Art
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Posted: 2009-04-19 11:18 am   Permalink

Aloha Tiki Tribe~



 
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Robb Hamel
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Posted: 2009-04-20 05:59 am   Permalink

The finished article is fantastic. I enjoyed the chill.

Glad to hear you were accepted for the next Spectrum. The printing quality on the last one was a little bit flat, probably from over-cooked vividness (not your doing - my years in advertising are showing, sorry). What I liked was how unlike everything else yours was. A very deserved honor. Congrats.

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Tiki Shark Art
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Posted: 2009-04-20 12:05 pm   Permalink

Aloha tiki Tribe~
Robb~ Thanks. Getting in SPECTRUM 15 was very fun. And, yeah, I noticed how much "brighter" my pallet was in general than the other pieces. Wasn't sure they picked the best piece - but heck, I'm happy to have been in it. Now, this coming November I feel they picked a better piece for SPECTRUM 16. I think the "Bela Lugosi" piece will hold it's own better when compared to other work of other artists, and it may actually get reproduced larger as it's a more standard shape. (dare I hope for a whole page to myself? Naw, better not get my hopes up)

"Tiki Cat"
Acrylic on Canvas. 22" x 30"

Now it's really done. For now. Check out the final work I did on the umbrella and cherry. If I can get ahold of my printer I may varnish it and take it up north this morning for scanning in for future print creation.

Mahalo for watching the paint dry!


 
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