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The Lurid low-brow Tiki-Art of Brad (tiki-shark) Parker
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Posted: 2006-12-14 2:06 pm   Permalink

You know what, I looked at it again, and kinda looked past the tiki and I could see where the tiki looked to be missing in the nose area. The background swirl would be there if it was truly see through, but I can almost imagine the nose with little stars on them. Didn't see it when I looked but I can see it now, sorta like a Dali.

But I heard black shouldn't be true black and good contrasting colors make these paintings.

Grog friend?


 
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Posted: 2006-12-14 2:55 pm   Permalink

Where is that damn sarcasm font? I thnk a lot of us need it

 
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Slacks Ferret
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Posted: 2006-12-14 5:55 pm   Permalink

I applaud Grog for giving something few on this board seem to know how: "Constructive" criticism.
It's a very valuable commodity in the art world and I'm sure Tiki Art Shark appreciates the feedback from a talented peer. (Note: I am not in his peer group)...but then again I don't intend to put words in his mouth either.

Just my 2 cents (1.8 cents Canadian)
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hewey
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Posted: 2006-12-14 6:45 pm   Permalink

Grogs feedback (well, apart from the finger salute) was constructive, positive and well meaning. TC needs more of it. I think most artists would appreciate it.

As far as the rest of Grogs posts (like the finger, and saying he hates TSA) are all sarcastic banter between mates. The first few times I came across Grogs humour in other threads I didnt know how to take it. Now I just realise its his sense of humour, and its positive. Plus I cut him some slack because of his depression from his baldness

TSA and other artists, let people know if you want constructive feedback. And if people say they want it, give it to them.
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Matt Reese
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Posted: 2006-12-14 7:47 pm   Permalink

Hewey is right on the money! I agree with GROG's criticism. TikiShark's talent is obvious and if you're going to get any kind of constructive criticism about art GROG is the man to get it from. GROG knows art(but apparently not how to drive very good).

TikiShark.....keep the series coming! I would love to see a postcard set or something of these. Amazing work.
Cheers.


 
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GROG
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Posted: 2006-12-14 8:26 pm   Permalink

Yes, I joke with Brad because he's a friend, and I really respect and admire his work. But I also think it is important as a fellow artist to help other artists to improve their work, and "Oh that looks great" isn't always the best way to help them. Especially if you see something they may not. It's not easy for artists to be objective about their work, so it's good to have an objective eye. Try flipping a drawing over and light it from behind. You'll see your drawing has more mistakes than you thought.

So many people post stuff and ask for criticism, and I mean "constructive" criticism, but nobody really seems to really give any on the board. I find good, constructive criticism an important part of growing as an artist. If everybody always just says, "Oh that looks great!", it may help with the artist's confidence, but it doesn't really help them improve their skill or to be able to look at their own stuff with an objective eye. In animation, my artwork is criticized every day. It's not easy always having people tell me what's wrong with my art, but I'm a much better artist for it. I think "criticism" has a negative connotation, and there definitely is negative criticism, so I think most non-artists not used to having their art "constructively" criticized view any sort of criticism as negative. And since most of the people on TC aren't professional artists and aren't used to having their art critiqued all the time, I think the majority are shy about giving and receiving constructive criticism. Brad(Tikishark) is a professional, and I know he would appreciate good constructive criticism.Criticism is also very tricky to give, because it can have negative effects even if it was meant in a positive way if worded wrong or taken in the wrong way which is another reason I believe people on TC steer away from it. I appreciate you standing up for me, and I know the right people will understand how I meant my critique.

Thanks-------Ernie

Sorry to derail your thread Brad. Now back to posting pics of your art so we can bash it some more, overly-talented bastard.


 
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Tiki Shark Art
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Posted: 2006-12-14 11:13 pm   Permalink

Wow, I unload my container fer a day and I come back an there/s a big ol discussion about art criticism on TC! Cool!
Actually I gotta agree with Grog. I saw how the piece started to flatten out as soon as I posted the pic. (works just like the ol hold the piece up to a mirror to get a fresh view trick) I figured I'd post it anyway, These are in-progress, with all the mistakes I make. I figure it's actually more instructive for me, pushes me harder, and is more interesting for you to watch. I'm a commercial illustrator and used to having my stuff talked about. That;s usually how I get my best stuff done. I know I have more fun watching other artist work out thier pieces here.
I like constructive critisism.

(Now for those of you wishing to submit such critisim, all I need is a resume and past work and edcational art experience. Just like Grog did. Please send all information to my e-mail address, wait 6 weeks, and then post your view point of the piece being talked about.)

So Thanks Grog, And Thanks everyone else!!

Now if I can only get more than two lousy bars of wireless reception I can up load the next version ... comon comon...
Finally!

"Oh, That looks great!"

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Swanky
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Posted: 2006-12-15 07:37 am   Permalink

ME think same as GROG too. Me think tiki may be in front of fire and that color be good fo highlights in shadow. Me no artist, just critic.

While me being critic, I have to wonder what the composition will mean. I don't want to get too deep into it if you are really just experimenting and making it an education project, but the art critic in me says "What's the subject?", "What's going on here?" As it seems to be going, it's nearly a still life. A study. IMHO, it needs some sort of depth of action. It can even be implied as in something off in the background or something that shows activity in the past, and that may well come as you finish, so don't shoot me.

Now, I do like what you have done. Just so you don't think ill of me. I mean, no one kicks a dead dog. Offering critique is a complement. If I thought it was the sux, I'd just close my mouth and go away.

I wanna see where it goes, but I want to see something to take my eye off the big honkin tiki in the shot. I want to see more "movement" in it. As it is now, I look at the big tiki and maybe notice what you have done with the sky and that's it... I know, I know, you are getting to it and all, so, fergit it if'n you are heading to that place.
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hiltiki
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Posted: 2006-12-15 08:24 am   Permalink

While I find myself agreeing with Grog on some of the points he made, I feel like we should wait for Tiki Shark to post more pictures of the finished piece. I think that he sets a great mood with the reflection of light on the forms.His paintings are well thought of and well balanced. There is a lot of motion and interest in them.I like how he makes the tikis the focal point of the pictue and how I am drawn to them everytime I look at his paintings. (graduate UCLA School of Art)

 
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Swanky
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Posted: 2006-12-15 10:42 am   Permalink

Just my little opinions. There is movement in the painting for sure. I wait to see what is going to be in the front. I guess I liked the tiki, pre-blue-highlights better for the reason GROG stated. I think what I was trying to say is I was looking for eye movement besides what was there, which will likely come as the piece is finished, and in some art fag way I was wanting more "mental movement" than a landscape scene. Again, that's without knowing what comes next and it may fill that mental and visual gap for me.

All this just sounds wrong typing it. Stupid, or labored or obvious or whatever. It all is the sort of thing that were we in the same room talking abou thte painting it would be a minute of conversation that was just tossed out there and over and now it's a long thread and it just gets messy and convoluted.

I always recall the professor in college saying "Where's the art?" Oy.
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hewey
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Posted: 2006-12-15 5:57 pm   Permalink

I think the white section at the bottom of the painting is too plain
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squid
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Posted: 2006-12-15 6:54 pm   Permalink

Hey Brad, I can't offer any color critique as I am massively color deficient, also known as color-blind.

I hope it's still OK to say "I like it! Keep going!".

Now that I think of it, maybe you should run ALL your color proofing by me. If I think it looks good, then you'll know something's very wrong!

Paint on, brother!!!

Now where did I put that cartoon finger?...

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Tiki Shark Art
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Posted: 2006-12-16 01:20 am   Permalink

I'm honored by such deep thoughts, thanks everyone. I really do think about what every one suggests. I'm always looking for a way to improve.
Maybe the composition is too static... maybe I am creating the same composition over and over... maybe I am working too small... maybe the cool shadows must be dimmer than the warm highlights to create a proper three-d effect...Hmmmm, maybe the white area is too plain...
Here's where it's going now...

Taken in day light - showing much more proper colors of the piece....

Taken with a flash, and screwing up everything....

So, it's supposed to be a Lava pool shooting up a glowing hot lava spurt that just happens to be in the shape of a pineapple. A mystic sort of thing, no?
Still not done unloading the container,
Still not up on line properly...
Still not done with this painting...
More later!
Aloha from the Big Island!
Have fun at the Tonga Hut Everyone!

P.S.
Things I notice about Hawaii now that I'm here:
They really do like Elvis here - he's on the Hawaiian radio station a lot!

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Tiki Shark Art
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Posted: 2006-12-19 01:05 am   Permalink

Hey TC,
So, after emptying everything out of the container yesterday, and finding all this stuff I thought I got rid of, and being too sore this morning to move, and then unpack the boxes that are everywhere, I managed to sneak in a little painting time.

I'll get a better shot in better light tomorrow morning.
Aloha!


 
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frostiki
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Posted: 2006-12-19 07:04 am   Permalink

Very cool, I like the look. I thnk the pineapple needs some lava faling off of it though, to really get that feel you mentioned of the lava spouting off the pineapple shape. I like the glow and how brightly lit the Tiki is,
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