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Tragedies in Tiki Fashion
teaKEY
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Posted: 2006-10-15 5:21 pm   Permalink


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Rattiki
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Posted: 2006-10-15 6:00 pm   Permalink

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On 2006-10-15 09:00, teaKEY wrote:
Sandals, what man cares what other men wear on their feet. Freedom baby freedom. One sandal over another is just personal preference.

Tiki doesn't fit into the norm of society but if we want to start looking at footwear, why not have it were your hair has to be styled a certain way and men's facial hair trimmed just so. Maybe everyone could drop a few pounds to just before the event, that not asking to much.



Well I am sure that many ladies went and had there hair done nicely for the event. It's not that it is styled in a certain way, but that it is styled at all. Being well kept is very different from being expected to conform to a certain style (within reason). I have facial hair but I certainly would have shaved around what's not already established for such an event, and not come with a 3 day growth....gee I hope no one did that People should stop trying to justify sloppiness or a lack of caring by trying to make out the idea of an acceptable level of standard as a ridge conformist code.
Freedom is not always everything.

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On 2006-10-15 09:00, teaKEY wrote:
If I took my girlfriend and father to one of these events, I'm into the whole culture,(maybe not whole) but they aren't. They would be coming for me and would probably not be dressed at all. Sad to think that the next event that I went to I would have to think in the back of my mind that I'm being judged and I'm inappropriate. I won't go to a place like that.



I'm sure they would at least know to wear proper attire to dine at a nice supper club like the Mai Kai. Style is not the issue here, never was, a reasonable amount of decorum is the issue.......

Sometimes I have to point this out to my passengers when they wish to go to one of our fine restaurants here in Key West...."No Sir I don't think that Louie's Backyard or Square One will let you in tonight in a pair of flip-flops and a T-shirt"

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On 2006-10-15 09:00, teaKEY wrote:
I'll never catch me in a purple lounge shirt or a shiny red blazer.



That's 'cuz you couldn't pull it off like me!

I have more conservative dress clothes (white dinner jacket, black tux, classic more subdued Hawaiians) I posted that to make a point that style is not the real issue, and one can be fun as well as well dressed. I don't think anyone here said "It was terrible that I saw folks wearing flowery prints with other loud prints".....though maybe they should have

Meanwhile sandals of ANY sort should not be worn to the Mai Kai after dark on ANY night by the gents IMO.....ladies might get away with a wedge version

What amazes me is that the Mai Kai doesn't enforce such a dress code!

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Rattiki
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Posted: 2006-10-15 6:00 pm   Permalink

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On 2006-10-15 09:59, ikitnrev wrote:
About 10 years ago, while in Graduate School, one of the students said that her first judgement, when meeting a person for the first time, was often based on what type of shoes that person wore.

I felt the above was somewhat of a class statement, ...but they have to remember that other students may not be able to afford both good fashion and the high tuition .... and in their case, the tuition is more important.



Well kept, decent shoes don't have to be expensive, but I am sure they could afford their ankle tattoo

In 1990 I noticed a very different attitude when I went to live in Europe, even in a free thinking place like Amsterdam (never the less ridged Sweden, Germany or even London) people could be very conscientious of what they, and other's wore and what it meant, and yes you could also be judged for it. My American, post 70's hippy mind did not like it at first and thought it was pretentious and unnecessary. I remember trying to get into a fancy hotel in London to see my Dad who was staying there and the doorman didn't want to let me in because I was wearing jeans, a T-shirt and a leather jacket (with all my HeavyMetal 80's long hair - rockin on Dude! ). I thought "How dare he! I could be a rich rock star that makes alot of money, maaaaan, how would he know, maaan". He didn't know, and he didn't care......nor should he have! It was one of his jobs to keep up the standards of this elegant, classic old hotel, and he took pride in it. I was told I could visit my Father, but could not dine at the restaurant or even drink at the bar without a proper shirt and jacket. I am sure at the time I was annoyed, but now 15 years later I understand.



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On 2006-10-15 09:59, ikitnrev wrote:
I did admire the people who dressed nicely for the recent Hukilau Mai Kai event, as they greatly added to the visual pleasures of the evening. But I didn't look down on those who were not dressed as formally. I was impressed that all of the people deemed the event worthy to attend, and many used valuable vacation time and money for airfare/hotels/other trip expenses. They made the choice to attend this event, and that is what should be deemed most important.




It IS most important (and I wish I could have afforded to be one of them), and I hope this thread doesn't end up being viewed as an exercize in a few looking down their noses at those who did not or can not, but that it might enlighten a few who may not of even really considered it.

My appreciation of most things mid 20th century, including but NOT exclusive to Tiki, has given me a better understanding of what was REALLY going on in that era. Most of us Baby-boomers and beyond have been duped into believing that a great and all positive change occurred in the late 60's and early 70's 'counter-culture revolution' that freed the American society from it's chauvinistic, uptight, backward, ridge roots. That life now is so much better now that we can all do as we please, whenever we please, and as much as we please.................Personally I think we should reconsider all of this and realize that we may have 'thrown the baby out with the bath water'.

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TikiMama
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Posted: 2006-10-15 6:13 pm   Permalink

Man, that will teach me to start a thread and then not check it for a couple of days (I was cataloging my shoe collection).

Of course I was kidding (well, maybe "kidding on the square" as Al Franken says). I personally think Tevas are very ugly, however, I will agree that they are "special use" shoes. Tidepooling is a great example. But you know, tikibars are not tidepools! I have some charming steel toed cop boots which I think look lovely with the correct ensemble at the correct event. However, I wore gold and rhinestone mules to the Hulilau, as is proper.

I'm a fashion bitch! To me, wearing something that shows you don't care what you look like is disrespectful, to yourself and to those around you. I have to look at you, after all!

It's really like using Bacardi in your drinks - some people care enough about the flavor, others don't notice.


 
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Bohemiann
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Posted: 2006-10-15 7:32 pm   Permalink

I am going to be so self conscious at my next Tiki Event. What will I wear? My God... the pressure! I need a drink!
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PoisonIvy
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Posted: 2006-10-15 10:55 pm   Permalink

I wore gold and rhinestone mules to the Hulilau, as is proper.

I'm a fashion bitch! To me, wearing something that shows you don't care what you look like is disrespectful, to yourself and to those around you. I have to look at you, after all!
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Well, like I mentioned, photos please and then maybe some would want to chime in on fashion diva yes/no.


 
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TikiJosh
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Posted: 2006-10-16 10:06 am   Permalink

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On 2006-10-15 18:00, Rattiki wrote:

What amazes me is that the Mai Kai doesn't enforce such a dress code!



What I glean from that statement is that they probably don't care that much. The thing I don't understand is why anyone else does.
We've a local restaurant near the beach here, kind of a fancy one. Not a supper club. A nice restaurant. But people from the beach inevitably show up, wearing bathing suits and God only knows what else. The times I've gone there I've been wearing a suit, or a shirt and tie at the very least. But the management doesn't see fit to enforce any type of dress code, and I don't worry myself over it. It doesn't matter to me who's wearing what. Everyone comes to this particular restuarant cause the food's damn good. It doesn't ruin my night just because the missus and I are having a nice dinner and there's people wearing flip-flops and shorts. I mean, I've enough things to worry about without getting worked up over a non-existent dress code.

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On 2006-10-15 18:13, TikiMama wrote:

Of course I was kidding (well, maybe "kidding on the square" as Al Franken says). I personally think Tevas are very ugly, however, I will agree that they are "special use" shoes. Tidepooling is a great example. But you know, tikibars are not tidepools! I have some charming steel toed cop boots which I think look lovely with the correct ensemble at the correct event. However, I wore gold and rhinestone mules to the Hulilau, as is proper.


A tiki bar might not be a tidepool, but you wouldn't wear steel-toed cop boots to the beach. Well, you might, but that's like wearing golfing shoes to run a marathon. You're talking about wearing the correct shoes to the correct event, right? Anyway, my point is, the "tiki-scene" is a celebration not just of tikis and midcentury American lounge culture . It's also a celebration of beach culture, and all the associated things that go with it. Sandals of all types go with beach culture. Tevas are great because they're not just "special use"-- I can wear them to the beach just for walking, or for schlepping dive gear, or for tidepooling. They're also good enough for wearing to casual restaurants. Whether the Mai Kai is a casual restaurant or not is up to the management. Which brings me back to what I said at the beginning. If a restaurant has a dress code, that's fine. You do what they say, or they don't let you in. It seems silly at best to get upset about a non-enforced dress code.
I'm not saying that dressing up is silly, or that one should never do it. I just don't see why one would criticize others for not doing it. If it's all in good fun then that's fine, but at least remember to drop a few smilies in so that people know you're having a little fun with them.
And I'm not so sure that my wife would let me go out for a night on the town wearing gold and rhinestone mules. I think she'd rather I wear the Tevas.


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On 2006-10-15 09:59, ikitnrev wrote:
I was impressed that all of the people deemed the event worthy to attend, and many used valuable vacation time and money for airfare/hotels/other trip expenses. They made the choice to attend this event, and that is what should be deemed most important.


Even Rattiki agreed with that last.




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TikiMama
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Posted: 2006-10-16 11:04 am   Permalink

Smilies are for pussies!

 
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Sneakytiki
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Posted: 2006-10-16 11:45 am   Permalink

Wouldn't those pussy smiles be sideways Tiki mama?

 
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saxotica
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Posted: 2006-10-16 3:37 pm   Permalink

Well I am certainly no hippie and I like to dress sharp and see people dressed sharp [especially the ladies !] but, jesus christ, some folks should lighten up a bit. Nothing ruins a great look more than having your head up your ass. It obscures your new perfect hairdo.

 
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tikiskip
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Posted: 2006-10-16 4:38 pm   Permalink

WOW! With all there was to see at the Mai Kai you looked at peoples feet!
And speaking of Jesus Christ, He would not have got in.
No shirt, no shoes, no service Mr. Christ!


 
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Mr. NoNaMe
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Posted: 2006-10-16 5:31 pm   Permalink

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On 2006-10-16 16:38, tikiskip wrote:
WOW! With all there was to see at the Mai Kai you looked at peoples feet!
And speaking of Jesus Christ, He would not have got in.
No shirt, no shoes, no service Mr. Christ!



He'd a got in! He was wearing leather sandals. Pretty sure he coulda wiggle his tiki to make water into mai tais.


 
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PoisonIvy
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Posted: 2006-10-16 6:17 pm   Permalink

On 2006-10-16 16:38, tikiskip wrote:
No shirt, no shoes, no service Mr. Christ!
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Atomic Cocktail
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Posted: 2006-10-16 10:52 pm   Permalink

I don't want to look at everyone's ugly feet. WEAR SHOES!

 
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vintagegirl
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Posted: 2006-10-17 12:08 am   Permalink

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On 2006-10-14 09:54, ookoo lady wrote:
Dressing appropriately is also a way of showing respect and appreciation for the other people around you. Many people who come to an elegant or themed event want to immerse themselves in that atmosphere. When you dress for the occasion you are making a contribution, not only for yourself, but for the other participants.



So concisely and eloquently said, Ookoo! While not everyone can afford Shaheen originals from the 50s, SOME effort can still be taken for special occasions because if we don't, eventually there will be no sense of occasion in our culture and society anywhere. And how boring would that be? And while this may seem like snobbery to some, ceremonial dress has existed in every culture—yes, even Tiki culture. So why should it seem strange or snobbish to put a little extra effort into one's presentation for an event that supposedly means a lot to us such as the Mai Kai's 50th? Even if there are those that are usually laid back with their dress, I have still seen many of those same go the extra mile with an extra special shirt or dress or even something more unusual like when Bamboo Ben literally wore a suit of bamboo to Tiki Farm's first Tiki Bash years ago. That was definitely extra special!

For those that refuse to look any different than when they rolled out of bed, suppose we all looked like that for something like the Mai Kai? While the music and the food would still be there, the atmosphere would definitely be duller. If our predecessors of the post-war era didn't dress for occasion, then there would be no Tiki "scene" to emulate ourselves after in the first place.

And regarding footwear, I'm not a big fan of viewing people's flip-flop and Tevas adorned feet in a restaurant either, but perhaps a more congruous choice can be made for such occasions. And save the casual footwear for the beach or the poolside. In fact, for those with foot problems, flip-flops will only exacerbate them as they give no support to the feet and can cause other alignment problems in the knees, hips and back.

And for those that require photos to illustrate what I consider appropriate "special occasion" dress...(I did not attend Hukilau this year, but these are a few of the possibilities if I had—sorry, I'm just a little indecisive when it comes to what to wear):

Perhaps this:


Or this:


Or this. (Note: even my diminutive dance partner had a "special occasion" dress on.)


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