||TeaKEY's critikeys (starting new p12)
Joined: Aug 10, 2004
From: Redondo Beach, CA
|Posted: 2007-04-25 09:59 am  Permalink|
On 2007-04-25 09:30, TIKI-TONGA wrote:
HAAAAAA!! HAAA! HA! HA!
|Psycho Tiki D|
Joined: Oct 13, 2006
From: The river Styx, can you pay the toll?
|Posted: 2007-04-25 3:54 pm  Permalink|
"Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one and nobody think's that their's stinks"!
~Actor Charles Durning~from the movie~Home For The Holidays~
Joined: Nov 09, 2004
From: The thumb !
|Posted: 2007-04-25 4:11 pm  Permalink|
Speaking of Sh*t that stinks
DIGI 77, that is funny as hell. Really looks like it belongs in there.
JoshKAT JoshKAT JoshKAT JoshKAT JoshKAT JoshKAT JoshKAT JoshKAT
And Grog's dogs. Do you even know where that thing has been?
Grand Member (first year)
Joined: Jun 21, 2006
|Posted: 2007-04-25 7:01 pm  Permalink|
Don't hurt yourself Teakey, better leave the humor to the trained professionals. (although that hasn't stopped Kinny. )
Maybe you should try using smilies (although they don't really help Kinny).
It might help to be less sardonic with your humor as well.
|little lost tiki|
Joined: Jun 12, 2006
From: Orange,CA-right near the Circle!
|Posted: 2007-04-25 7:23 pm  Permalink|
Ernie! Step outside!
Let's settle this like Men!
Joined: Oct 31, 2004
From: Westminster, CO
|Posted: 2007-04-25 8:36 pm  Permalink|
Hey! Now, I've been Critikeyed!!
Joined: Aug 20, 2004
|Posted: 2007-04-26 08:31 am  Permalink|
Okay gang. Let's all try to stay in tune. Ready? Here we go! teaKey, this one's for you bro'.
"Goodnight sweetheart, well it's time to go..."
or perhaps we'd all prefer this one:
"Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye"
[ This Message was edited by: GatorRob 2007-04-26 08:36 ]
Joined: Jun 28, 2005
From: Va Beach
|Posted: 2007-04-26 8:47 pm  Permalink|
As morbidly amusing as I have found this whole thing (hey, I've nothing going on this week) I really wish you two would just knock it the f*ck off. Worse than my damned kids, at least I can still smack them.
I can sum my perspective as this: if you are going to offer a critique either make it positive or make it constructive. Otherwise shut the hell up. Nobody needs a comment like your sh!t sucks. The world has enough a-holes as it is, no need to enlist.
Reminds me of the BK vs. G-Man debacle.
Joined: Sep 30, 2002
|Posted: 2007-04-26 9:00 pm  Permalink|
On 2007-04-25 20:36, HelzTiki wrote:
Joined: Jun 28, 2005
From: Va Beach
|Posted: 2007-04-27 06:16 am  Permalink|
Sorry to come off harsh. My comments were directed both ways, not singling out anyone in particular.
Joined: Jul 23, 2003
|Posted: 2007-04-27 06:34 am  Permalink|
<<Reminds me of the BK vs. G-Man debacle. >>
Except that BK is an incredible carver and artist and has 14 tons of credibility.
I didn't know you could weigh credibility but I found out just yesterday that you can.
So, in the sense that it's humans jabbing at each other on the internet, then yeah.
But it's more than that. You start black brushing proven artists and saying things like "that's a punk move," to a guy like tiki diablo, you've got problems here.
No matter how much it seems this way in the last year, this isn't a personal blog site for whatever you're doing or thinking.
I say "you" as an encompassing generality of the readership here.
Even the carver forum is getting that way. It's a lot of show and tell and the talented are getting squeezed out of the bandwidth by the kindergarteners.
This thread is just another example of the same thing.
It's even titled "Here's what I think" and there's a place for that and it's called Bilge.
Bring an "A" game.
Or if you're just trying out your chops don't swing the kini kini like you're the baddest on the block.
There are kahunas here already and unless you're bringing gifts, major talent or a canoe load of warriors - then come in humbly or move on to the next island.
I know this place is supposed to be a place of "aloha."
Aloha also means goodbye.
Joined: Dec 31, 2005
From: Suburban San Diego (The Drawer)
|Posted: 2007-04-27 07:27 am  Permalink|
Let me start by apologizing for allowing myself to be drawn into this dirt clod fight. I've been following this for awhile now, I honestly thought it was all a joke at first, just some razzing between friends...
Boy, was I wrong.
Apparently it's someone trying to be the new bully on the playground. I sat and watched, kind of chuckling about some of the comments, until I read pablus' post.
Yes BK is a talented carver, I will agree. So is Gman. There are two different styles of carving happening there.
That's not what bothered me, it's this:
"Even the carver forum is getting that way. It's a lot of show and tell and the talented are getting squeezed out of the bandwidth by the kindergarteners. "
Everybody has to start somewhere and to say that some people SHOULDN'T show their work is kind of elitist. In case you hadn't noticed, the carvers are very supportive of one another, regardless of skill level. If the so called kindergartners don't post, how are they supposed to know whether or not they're improving? Isn't it up to the "upper grades" to help teach the up and coming? I for one, though not a "proven artist" by what I'm guessing are your standards, like to see what other people are doing, to see what direction things are being taken.
Besides, I don't think the "kahunas" are being squeezed out, just not posting as often.
Once again, sorry for the rant, playground politics always get me riled up.
If anyone wants me, I'll be over there on the monkey bars.
Joined: Jul 23, 2003
|Posted: 2007-04-27 09:25 am  Permalink|
<<<In case you hadn't noticed, the carvers are very supportive of one another, regardless of skill level. If the so called kindergartners don't post, how are they supposed to know whether or not they're improving? Isn't it up to the "upper grades" to help teach the up and coming? I for one, though not a "proven artist" by what I'm guessing are your standards, like to see what other people are doing, to see what direction things are being taken.
Besides, I don't think the "kahunas" are being squeezed out, just not posting as often. >>>
In case you hadn't noticed, the quality of work on the carving forum is diminishing.
There is a reason the skilled are not posting as often.
I'm a big carver supporter. I've bought pieces off of a lot of them and many of the better ones are very real friends.
I love a lot of the work there and enjoy the community. I even like a few of the pieces I've seen of teaKey's. He's got a bit of skill. So do many of the elementary and intermediate carvers, artists, musicians, poets, seamstresses, etc.
But an unending supply of aloha for a weak signal to noise ratio makes the board weak. Surely you can see that. I'm not suggesting that people only post masterpieces worthy of a museum, although that would be cool; I'm suggesting that they humbly accept guidance from those that are better. In this particular thread, here is a guy with intermediate skills who is bristling under a very calm post from a master carver. Yes, a master carver and artist. There are levels of skill here that some of the hackier carvers are never going to achieve unless they humble themselves and not adopt the attitude of "this is good because I made it." Take some freaking criticism from those who are masters.
That Gman post that someone referenced (and by the way, I didn't say gman was bad or lesser skilled, I merely said that BK is a master carver) was a battle of "hey, you can't talk that way to me, I've got 3409 posts and have carved 5934 tikis, blah blah blah..." in response to some things that were bothering BK, a master carver. That argument was fine. They got through it although the drawing up of sides was a bit melodramatic.
Now Gman is a fine carver. He obviously puts a lot of time and effort into his pieces. But that skirmish that was referenced was all about a wounded ego. This place, Tiki Central, I mean, has become a tip-toeing around people's egos kind of a place and that makes the experience here suffer.
Certainly there are allowances for beginners to post their work. I'm not suggesting otherwise. I truly enjoyed Swanky's first ugly piece of junk that he carved. It was awful. He knew it. Everybody knew it. So what did he do? Pout and run away or demand to be placed on the same tier as Ben? Heck no, he threw a party with some of the best carvers and upped his game. He still isn't this great carver, but he also isn't filling up the carver forum with 67 pictures of his latest.
Don't get all feisty like I'm intruding on the carver forum. I've seen your posts - I like them.
I love it there on the carver forum. To me it's the soul of Tiki Central. I read stories to those folks with lots of mana and aloha, you included. I'm wanting this whole community to be a place of excellence, instead of being filled with second rate practice tikis, music, sewing, poetry, etc. I've made many great, life long friends here and feel like there are plenty more to be made. Except for Flounder, who I live in terror of.
If King Kukulele or Iuka Grogg or Mr. Ho or Kanekila told me "you song-a, she is a-no good." I wouldn't get angry or distraught. I'd ask for tips, give them writing credit and move on. That's the way I would hope everyone would react here instead of "who are you to tell me about it" or "that's a punk move."
OK, now as penance for dare speaking ill of the carver forum, I'll post another story there about Pele today.
I've been thinking a lot about this as I wade through certain threads with exasperation, this thread just pulled the trigger and I had a little time on my hands today. So please don't think I'm disparaging or discouraging young, learning artists. I just want to see some of octane's carvings or Rain's paintings and I haven't lately.
Joined: May 18, 2006
From: San Diego
|Posted: 2007-04-27 10:12 am  Permalink|
Hey, I disagree completely about the quality of the carving zone slipping! Don't know what the broohaha is all about on this thread, but...
Paipo, Gman, Benz, Buzzy, TikiDav, 4WD and that uppity newcomer Babalu are doing amazing work and posting regularly. I think they post TOO much and should stop typing, git back to the carving stand and git them chips flying! If you keep up with them, the other pros around, and everybody on the San Diego Chop Chop threads, how much excellent carving do you need?
Carving on TC has never been better. Never. And of course you have to start somewhere, check out Gman's first posts and his latest.
Cripes, have you seen Babalu's work? He's only done like three Tiki's. They're freaking masterpieces! The guy must have 1000 magic fingers.
And when the chips are down, Buzzy's around.
Joined: Aug 10, 2004
From: Redondo Beach, CA
|Posted: 2007-04-27 10:27 am  Permalink|
On 2007-04-27 10:12, Cammo wrote:
...and that uppity newcomer Babalu are doing amazing work
I have to admit that this IS possibly the best thing seen in the Creating Tiki forum since the beginning of 2007. Thank you Babalu.