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pablus
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From: www.crazedmugs.com
Posted: 2007-04-27 11:18 am   Permalink

<<In case you hadn't noticed, the quality of work on the carving forum is diminishing.>>

I'm re-stating this plainly as - "There are some fugly pieces of crap foisted off as artwork in the carving forum and indeed throughout this website."

Certainly it's plain to see that Buzzy, Babalu, Alien, Paipo and many others are excellent carvers and artists.

Once again the message gets obscured by a forest of porcupine quills raising up to ward off a phantom menace.

I'll go back to tip-toeing,



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Lake Surfer
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Joined: Oct 21, 2002
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From: Milwaukee, WI
Posted: 2007-04-27 1:33 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2007-04-27 10:12, Cammo wrote:
Hey, I disagree completely about the quality of the carving zone slipping! Don't know what the broohaha is all about on this thread, but...

Paipo, Gman, Benz, Buzzy, TikiDav, 4WD and that uppity newcomer Babalu are doing amazing work and posting regularly. I think they post TOO much and should stop typing, git back to the carving stand and git them chips flying! If you keep up with them, the other pros around, and everybody on the San Diego Chop Chop threads, how much excellent carving do you need?

Carving on TC has never been better. Never. And of course you have to start somewhere, check out Gman's first posts and his latest.

Cripes, have you seen Babalu's work? He's only done like three Tiki's. They're freaking masterpieces! The guy must have 1000 magic fingers.

And when the chips are down, Buzzy's around.




Barely scratches the surface of the carving that used to be on TC.

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Humuhumu
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Joined: Aug 22, 2002
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From: San Francisco
Posted: 2007-04-27 1:54 pm   Permalink

Some musings, take them as you will...

Creating Tiki has never been about showcasing great stuff... it's always been a place to talk about the process primarily, in my eyes at least. And since the best carvers and artists have less room for improvement in their skills, is it really surprising that they start to post less of their own work in those sections? After all, for them more than others who are looking to hone their skills, posting what they're working on is a bit of a mutual masterbation exercise. Unless -- and this is a biggie -- they have something to post as a demonstration. Taking good demonstration pics is a bit of a pain in the keister to do, so I don't expect to see them all that often. And hanging out just to tell other people how they can be better can feel uppity (and no good deed goes unpunished -- as you saw with Tiki Diablo in this very thread). They certainly don't have less love for creating tiki stuff, they just get less out of that forum, and that's totally okay.

On the other hand! I think it's very fair to assert that those who have less skill could maybe stand to think a bit about why they are posting before they post. Have they come up with a new carving or creating technique that they want to discuss? Have they come up against a particular issue they want some feedback on? Have they created something that they think can be better, but they're not quite sure how? In short -- are they posting something that can generate some discussion about the process?Those are all fantastic reasons to post in the Creating Tiki section, as far as I'm concerned, regardless of skill level.

But... is the poster just posting their stuff because it seems the thing to do? If we're going to be really honest here -- just because they want to hear some words of encouragement? It's hard to see the harm in that, except for Pablus' very good point: signal to noise. Talking just to hear your own voice doesn't go over well in the real world, and it kinda gums up the works here, too -- although here, at least people can just skip your thread. But you wind up with a hundred threads of people talking just to hear their own voice and... you see the problem? Perhaps a bit of self-editing would be useful -- asking oneself (with a lot of honesty) how the post they are thinking of making of use and interest to others. If the connection is tenuous, perhaps consider scaling back the post, or waiting until you have a real need to post.

One very big caveat, so that you can take my post with a big grain of salt, if you'd like: because I'm not a creator of tiki objects, I just don't spend a lot of time in there. I figure, the good completed stuff will eventually make its way into pictures on other parts of the site. I know I'm missing some good stuff, but that's okay -- I just can't take the time to wade through all the stuff that's less polished -- it's not interesting to me, and I don't have any useful feedback to give. It's just not the section for me.

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Feelin' Zombified
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From: The Exotic Shores of Lake St. Clair
Posted: 2007-04-27 2:18 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2007-04-27 13:54, Humuhumu wrote:

Creating Tiki has never been about showcasing great stuff...





then by all means, start a Great Stuff Showcase forum.


 
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Helz
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Joined: Oct 31, 2004
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From: Westminster, CO
Posted: 2007-04-27 5:00 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2007-04-26 21:00, squid wrote:
Quote:

On 2007-04-25 20:36, HelzTiki wrote:










BRILLIANT!
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kingstiedye
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From: sackatomato
Posted: 2007-04-27 5:09 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2007-04-27 14:18, Feelin' Zombified wrote:
Quote:

On 2007-04-27 13:54, Humuhumu wrote:

Creating Tiki has never been about showcasing great stuff...





then by all means, start a Great Stuff Showcase forum.

i think creating is about several things. it's for beginners to see what peopo think. hopefully we'll see some constructive criticism. it's about watching the progress of an artist's skills. and it's about showing the best work of modern tiki artists, so beginners can see what's possible. benzart and tama are two great examples of this. i love watching their progress as another masterpiece takes shape. i love seeing terrific artists like johnny p, gman and pdrake improve their skills. and i like seeing new artists like sneaky and tiki-kate bravely post their first attempts. i'm known as a voracious collector, but my favorite forum is creating/tiki carving. mahaloz to the carvers of all skill levels.

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congatiki
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From: wisconsin northwoods
Posted: 2007-04-27 5:59 pm   Permalink

Thank you Kingstiedye, I think you said it well for us peeps on the carving forum, it's all
about showing "what's possible." And I think it's okay to offer supportive comments to the
"kindergartners" who are just starting, in much the same way that parents and grandparents
encourage toddlers at their first steps. It seems alright to offer simple complimentary
remarks when someone finds a nice mug at a flea market, what's the difference.


 
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GROG
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From: Tujunga
Posted: 2007-04-27 6:38 pm   Permalink

Just don't tell us it's "the best evar in its cadigoree".

 
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Heath
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From: Suburban San Diego (The Drawer)
Posted: 2007-04-29 09:51 am   Permalink

I took a little bit of time and really thought about what pablus said, re-read his post and all the replies, and did some perusing throughout the site.

pablus, I owe you an apology. Instead of taking a moment to allow your post to sink in, I had a knee-jerk reaction.

After doing a tour of alot of threads, I can honestly see your point. There does seem to be a lack of constructive criticism, advice, and direction out there. However, it could be being sent via pm's instead of getting posted. Most people seem to react better to a private word than a public spectacle.

"Honest criticism is hard to take, particularly from a relative, a friend, an acquaintance, or a stranger." -- Franklin P. Jones

That being said, pablus please do not tip-toe around.


 
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pablus
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From: www.crazedmugs.com
Posted: 2007-04-29 11:31 am   Permalink

Tip Toe?

I've lost a lot of mass but not enough to do tip-toeing.

Heath, 'ol pal, my personal penance to the carvers for disparaging their unique community is forthcoming.
2 more stories. It's all I got. Besides, I wouldn't post a carving in there now if it was better than Michelangelo.
Even Ben would call me names and he loves everybody.

I don't carve anyway.
Unless it's a pineapple or lime.


 
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teaKEY
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Posted: 2007-07-18 1:57 pm   Permalink

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teaKEY
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Posted: 2007-07-18 1:57 pm   Permalink

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teaKEY
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Posted: 2007-07-18 1:58 pm   Permalink

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teaKEY
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Posted: 2007-07-18 1:58 pm   Permalink

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teaKEY
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Posted: 2007-07-18 1:58 pm   Permalink

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