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Is the Islands Restaurant/Hanalei Hotel being gutted?
Humuhumu
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Posted: 2006-11-06 02:23 am   Permalink

Devastating news, details in a blog entry on Humu Kon Tiki:

San Diego’s Islands Restaurant Renovation?

I don't know anything beyond what I posted about, but here's the gist of it: someone namd Joe Reis posted on his blog that the Islands closed yesterday as part of a massive 6-month renovation plan for the hotel, which apparently calls for the removal of the waterfall fountains at the front of the restaurant, and lord knows what else.

Has anyone else heard about this? It's devastating, the Islands Restaurant is gorgeous. Not what it used to be, thanks to other ill-advised renovations, but still lovely. The Hanalei has been so terribly butchered over the years -- why do they keep doing this?! Gah!


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Mr. NoNaMe
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Posted: 2006-11-06 06:31 am   Permalink

I will go in there today and find out.

 
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PolynesianPop
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Posted: 2006-11-06 07:36 am   Permalink

I had dinner there about 2 months ago and spoke briefly with the Maitre'D. At that time he said their intention was to save the clamshell wall but the rest of the restaurant was going to be renovated. I spoke with a few of the San Diego TC contigency later on that night about what they heard and some told me they heard the same thing.

Still -- its all rumors without a confirmation. The Maitre'D I spoke with wasn't 100% sure what the final plan called for. He's not "in the know" so to speak. He just shared what he knew from what he was able to gather from others there.

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Haole'akamai
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Posted: 2006-11-06 08:55 am   Permalink

And let the letter writing campaign begin!!!

 
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Tiki-Kate
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Posted: 2006-11-06 09:21 am   Permalink

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On 2006-11-06 07:36, PolynesianPop wrote:
I had dinner there about 2 months ago and spoke briefly with the Maitre'D. At that time he said their intention was to save the clamshell wall but the rest of the restaurant was going to be renovated. I spoke with a few of the San Diego TC contigency later on that night about what they heard and some told me they heard the same thing.



I heard the same thing the last time we were there. The guy we talked to had also said that they were planning to remove the wall between the restaurant and the banquet room next to it in order to make the restaurant larger.


 
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DawnTiki
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Posted: 2006-11-06 10:24 am   Permalink

I see no need to fret....not yet at least...to keep with the the eternal sunshine of the spotless mindset (I like to live in...) why assume a renovation will be for the worse? With Oasis being held there maybe management might be starting to "SEE THE LIGHT" and going for the temple of tiki it once was. It could happen...just maybe... I hope the locals can keep Tiki Centralites updated on the potential progress or demise of The Islands, while we nervously nibble on our fingertips waiting for future progress reports.

 
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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2006-11-06 10:26 am   Permalink

Well...because in the case of Tiki restaurant renovation, "positive thinking" is not enough: 9.5 out of 10 examples have been grave disappointments. "Getting it" (Tiki) is usually not enough to prevent general major changes to have an impact on vintage places. The Islands/Hanalei's first renovation itself is a good example. Yes, they left the main core and the waterways intact, but a whole part of the waterfall wall, the entrance bar and the amazing booths were destroyed and replaced by a totally bland, generic banquet room, with a few weapons nailed against its white walls. AND important "Luau" artifacts dissappeared.

This said, from what I read, I does sound the restaurant will remain untouched, which is good. But if they're set on getting rid of the waterfall, it is illusionary to think we can do anything about it, it's the way of the business world out there, kids.


 
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Haole'akamai
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Posted: 2006-11-06 2:25 pm   Permalink

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On 2006-11-06 10:26, bigbrotiki wrote:
Well...because in the case of Tiki restaurant renovation, "positive thinking" is not enough: 9.5 out of 10 examples have been grave disappointments. "Getting it" (Tiki) is usually not enough to prevent general major changes to have an impact on vintage places.



And so we need to make our thoughts known. My TC Ohana, even if you don't ever think you'll set foot inside the Hanalei (BUT especially if you are going to TO7), send a letter - or an email or SOMETHING - to the management telling them you are planning to visit and will be truly disappointed if they lessen their TiPSy scale.

If they get a large enough response, they're much more likely to take notice.

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christiki295
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Posted: 2006-11-06 11:30 pm   Permalink

Maybe this is the silver lining:

"The railings from The Islands will be moved into the atrium so in effect they are adding decor to that area. They have spent $20,000 on additional landscaping so the hotel will still look like a tropical jungle everywhere you go.

They added new palapas to existing outdoor palapa areas so there will be fresh new thatching."


 
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dibroc
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Posted: 2006-11-07 08:36 am   Permalink

from Otto 11.6.06



Some of you may have heard that the Red Lion Hanalei Hotel in San Diego is remodelingThe good news is that they are not changing management so we have the same friendly, helpful staff that serviced the event this year and they are excited to do it again next year Here are all the details I know. As you know the Hanalei is the site for Tiki Oasis 7 which is happening Aug 16 - 19, 2007It has been a historic Tiki site containing artifacts from Stephen Crane's Luau restaurant which have been housed in the Hanalei atrium since the early 80sIt is also the site of a formerly stellar example of Tiki restaurant design executed by Oceanic Arts. The restaurant is called The Islands. It was drastically remodeled inside and outside around 1996 so it was far from untouched. It is with much sadness that I inform you (direct from the highest source at the Hanalei) that much of The Islands is currently getting remodeled from now til April 1, 2007 and the hotel will be renamed The Islands, the good:the GM said, "Its going to be more TROPICAL than TIKI."The indoor foliage is staying, some bamboo elements are staying. The glass floats are most likely staying. The large boat stays. The Monkeypod tables are being refinished to the tune of $38,000 - that's a big investment in tables! auxiliary rooms are being opened up to be part of the entire restaurant to increase seating. The outdoor deck is being expanded to accommodate seating. The menus for the sushi bar, The Islands, and the bar will remain untouched. The bar will serve drinks in Tiki mugs! The Islands, the bad and the ugly:The entire waterway from lobby and into the restaurant is going away. (They are keeping the Tiki railings) The rock wall waterfall is going bye bye and windows overlooking the pool and deck are saying "hello". The Dragon Room is gone. The artifacts on the walls in the lobby, side rooms and The Islands are removed and most likely will be on exhibit for us to view during Oasis 7. I have not worked out these details so don't ask me questions about this. More travertine flooring will be added around the sushi bar to update it and make it blend with the lobby. The entire hotel will receive a paint job inside and out (most likely a shade of beige) The Hotel name:I do not know what exactly the new name will be but it will not have the word Hanalei in it. This was mandated in order to raise the status of the property. The rest of the hotel:the railings from The Islands will be moved into the atrium so in effect they are adding decor to that area. They have spent $20,000 on additional landscaping so the hotel will still look like a tropical jungle everywhere you go.They added new palapas to existing outdoor palapa areas so there will be fresh new thatching.The rooms will be remodeled and the standard room rate is increasing BUT this will not effect our event as I have contracted those rooms already. So essentially you will be getting the rooms for cheaper than the standard rate! Here are the details from a hotel/business perspective:The GM at the Hanalei was told that the renovations had to take place. The property was audited by the parent company and evaluated and one recommendation was to consolidate the restaurants into one larger full-service one with increased seating. The Lobby space is to be altered to be more useable - a small conference room will be carved out of it. All rooms are getting better mattresses and interior upgrades. The room and conference room upgrades will bump the property into a higher class offering in order to allow it to stay competitive with immediate neighbors (and to set it further apart from the Motel 6 offerings nearby). Hanalei is a business conference oriented Hotel, not a book-by-the-night model. Ironically, the reason I have hosted Tiki Oasis at this historic site and the previous site is to draw attention to them so they retain their Tiki decor.I am committed to continue to work with the Hanalei despite the remodel of The Islands. They still have the atrium full of Tikis, waterfalls, lush tropical plants, tropical landscaping around the entire hotel, the bar serves tropical drinks in Tiki mugs, and although The Islands is gutted it still retains some decor elements, the name, and some Polynesian food offerings.The proximity of the Hanalei to the Bali Hai allows us to support that historic site too. ++++++++++++++ Otto von Stroheimtikioasis.comtikinews.com


 
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Mr. NoNaMe
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Posted: 2006-11-07 09:32 am   Permalink

Here are a couple pics from yesterday.



I suspect 99% of the interior was out AND boxed in a matter of 4 or 5 hours after Sundays brunch.
Jack Hammer will be working today. I hope he is gentle.

I will post more as the room empties day by day.



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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2006-11-07 09:34 am   Permalink

OUUUCH! That hurts deeply. So much for cold hard reality.
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On 2006-11-07 08:36, dibroc wrote (from Otto) :
Here are the details from a hotel/business perspective: The GM at the Hanalei was told that the renovations had to take place. The property was audited by the parent company and evaluated and one recommendation was to consolidate the restaurants into one larger full-service one with increased seating.



Tiki history? Book of Tiki? Tiki revival? Who? What?

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The entire waterway from lobby and into the restaurant is going away...



I was afraid of that. Too high maintenance, of course. This was the only place I know of besides the Chicago Marriott Kona Kai that still had fully working waterways, fed by waterfalls and crossed by Tiki-railed bridges, once a defining feature of classic Tiki supper clubs. Everybody at the last Oasis can be glad they got to see it.

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Cammo
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Posted: 2006-11-07 09:56 am   Permalink

"...lush tropical plants, tropical landscaping around the entire hotel..."

Goodbye Hanalei. I have a really bad feeling about their future and it involves PARROTS.


 
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Haole'akamai
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Posted: 2006-11-07 10:23 am   Permalink

I'm sooooo sad. Walking the bamboo bridge into The Islands was magical, simply magical. I have to go cry now.....



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Posted: 2006-11-07 10:34 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2006-11-06 10:24, DawnTiki wrote:
I see no need to fret....not yet at least...to keep with the the eternal sunshine of the spotless mindset (I like to live in...) why assume a renovation will be for the worse? With Oasis being held there maybe management might be starting to "SEE THE LIGHT" and going for the temple of tiki it once was. It could happen...just maybe... I hope the locals can keep Tiki Centralites updated on the potential progress or demise of The Islands, while we nervously nibble on our fingertips waiting for future progress reports.




....nevermind....we're doomed


 
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