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christiki295
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From: LA-2547 mls east Hawaii &5500 Easter Is
Posted: 2006-11-19 12:25 am   Permalink

Preservation is doable.

The ModCom has enjoyes some amazing success:

http://www.modcom.org/advocacy.shtml


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Dr.TikiMojo
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Joined: May 26, 2006
Posts: 470
From: Elk Grove, CA
Posted: 2006-11-19 3:20 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2006-11-18 18:42, PoisonIvy wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-11-18 02:07, Dr.TikiMojo wrote:
Thank you vintagegirl for sending Nichols our way and THANK YOU Nichols for some the best and most informative information that we've had so far!

OK everybody, you heard it, this is going to be a struggle and it's going to take a lot of us and require some work. I will keep trying to learn more but as I stated already I don't live in an area with Tiki locations that need saving. So I can only do so much!



With all due respect, you say you "don't live in an area with Tiki locations that need saving" and "can only do so much." I understand that point. Yet, you are yelling at people to get involved. You, in turn, must understand other's points and feelings. Yes, many tiki enthusiasts are crushed when an establishment is sold and leveled. There's no shame in announcing sorrow over losing a landmark. But you seem to "bag" on people for "bitching" or "complaining" over the loss because perhaps they weren't available to camp in protest. Who is? Are you available? Would that help unless it's years in advance?
Nichols is positive proof. It takes years of concentrated, tough, passionate dedication. I'm sorry, but it's not an "I don't live there, so got on the ball," mission. It can't be.
I appreciate your passion, but please remember, it's easier to rally your army when you are actually in the trenches.
XXOOIvy




Hi Ivy,

I understand what you're saying.
This began for me from reading post after post on different threads about Tiki locations being demolished or "renovated" to the point of non-Tiki. Since I had "some" background with working with local city planners and being a part of a Historically Registered neighborhood and a member of a National Historic organization I started out by offering people the information to get involved and "MAYBE" by doing so we can help prevent the closure of the next Historic Tiki Location that's on the chopping block.

You wrote:

There's no shame in announcing sorrow over losing a landmark. But you seem to "bag" on people for "bitching" or "complaining" over the loss because perhaps they weren't available to camp in protest.

Yes, I DID BAG on people for "bitching" and "complaining" over the loss because no matter how many times I tried to point people in the right direction to get involved and help prevent another loss I haven't read ONE post yet saying, - I went and joined this site, I joined my city council, I wrote my local congressman, or anything except I went and had a Pu Pu Platter and 2 more Mai Tai to support my local historic Tiki Bar!
Camping in protest is not what I am suggesting but rather something that is much more long term!
Have you heard the expression,You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink!
How many other threads like this have been started on Tiki Central?
I'm guessing none since no one has yet posted a link to some thread 3 years ago when somebody started trying to get people organized to save our Tiki locations. So in other words we post thread after thread, year after year, lamenting our loss each time and yet no one is getting a group together to do something about it.

You also wrote:

Would that help unless it's years in advance?
Nichols is positive proof. It takes years of concentrated, tough, passionate dedication.


EXACTLY! That's why I'm trying to MOTIVATE people right now! Because it does take time. I already explained what HUGE losses our city suffered through the 1970's - 1980's with people who didn't care about OLD buildings, (1800's), and wanted them torn out. If not for people who cared and recognized the Historical Importance of these locations, architects, historians, artists and the like, there would now be nothing left here but the "cookie cutter", prefab, dime a dozen homes that are built wall to wall.
I already belong to the National Trust, my money is already going to help save "RECOGNIZED" Historical Properties....problem is Tiki locations anywhere are not recognized as historical or important. And it take more than ONE person to give them that attention!

Finally you wrote:

I appreciate your passion, but please remember, it's easier to rally your army when you are actually in the trenches.

Not all the soldiers are in the "trenches". Some have to be Generals to point troops in the right direction, to guide and motivate them. Let's just say I stood up and noticed this was a WAR. We are taking severe casualties and losses to our side. I am trying to "rally" the troops and yet everyone is saying, "Yea, we don't like this. We don't want to see any more losses. But I don't have time. I don't want to fight, (participate)."
Besides Dawn, (who's working on the Poly Pop Museum project), and Nichols I haven't seen one other post of anyone else actively trying to support preservation of our Tiki landmarks.

So honestly, what more do YOU want me to do?

You come back and tell me that you've joined this or that in your area and got your other Tiki friends to do the same and are working to register or save a specific location and you need me to come out and help you with this or that or speak or whatever......you give me a time and place, (with enough advance notice for me to arrange things), and I will be there if that is what you want!
I'm not talking about a "closure party" and I'm coming out for drinks and an auction!

Anyone else want to step up and say they'll do the same?


 
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tikigreg
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Joined: Mar 24, 2002
Posts: 1171
From: ClubTiki
Posted: 2006-11-20 08:27 am   Permalink

Does getting involved with the restoration of the Kahiki fireplace count? That's what Tiki Hula, Tiki Cat, and I are doing, and anyone that has an interest in the project are welcome to contact us with ideas or other input.
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Dr.TikiMojo
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Joined: May 26, 2006
Posts: 470
From: Elk Grove, CA
Posted: 2006-11-20 9:20 pm   Permalink

I'm still doing all the research I can and following the posts about Trader Vic's Beverly Hills. I have contacted the National Trust for Historic Preservation to see what other suggestions and guidance they can offer us. I will post as I find out more.
Historic Commercial Buildings, i.e. TIKI BARS/Restaurants
For those restoring or preserving income-producing properties
http://www.nationaltrust.org/funding/commercial.html

Another good thread to follow:
Well THAT would kinda suck !: Vic's Beverly Hills a goner?
http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=18213&forum=1&start=0
If you'd like to help out, send an email to savebhtv@humuhumu.com .

Mrs.Mojo and I are going to try to arrange to get down to LA in December to see what more we can find out and do!
Thanks to Coco Loco also!


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Dr.TikiMojo
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Joined: May 26, 2006
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From: Elk Grove, CA
Posted: 2006-11-28 1:19 pm   Permalink

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On 11/22/2006 National Trust for Historic Preservation wrote:

Thank you for contacting the National Trust for Historic Preservation.
Because we receive such a high volume of information requests, we have
developed a standard reply and information sheet to help answer your
questions. While not all of the information below and attached will be relevant, much of the information in this reply will get you started on saving your historic site. I am also forwarding your email to Anthony Veerkamp who works in our Western Regional Office as he would be interested to know about your sites.

Your first step is to contact your State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO) and Statewide Preservation Partner to alert them to the threat to this historic property and to find out what assistance is available at the state and local level to preserve the site. Please use this link to find the contact information for the SHPO and Statewide organization in your state: http://www.nthp.org/help/statewide_org.asp.

SHPO in California call (916)-653-6624

The National Trust's Preservation Books offers several publications
which will be helpful to you, including "Rescuing Historic Resources:
How to Respond to a Preservation Emergency" and
"Threatened Treasures: Creating Lists of Endangered Sites."
In addition, there are publications specific to saving historic schools, railroad depots, barns, religious properties, bridges, and theaters. We also offer publications which will help you make the case for the economic benefit of preservation, including our "Dollars & Sense" reports on the economic and fiscal impacts of historic preservation in states such as Virginia, and in communities such as Galveston, Denver, Knoxville, and Philadelphia.
Please use this link http://www.preservationbooks.org/ to access our
Preservation Books.

For more help with making your case in favor of preservation, please
visit the advocacy section of our website using this link:
http://www.nationaltrust.org/advocacy/case/

A PDF of our "Historic Buildings" information sheet can be found at this link on our website
http://www.nationaltrust.org/help/downloads/HistoricBuilding.pdf.
It is a comprehensive guide to preserving an historic building, and includes a list of helpful preservation resources. It also includes information on listing historic buildings on the National Register of Historic Places.


You might consider nominating this site to the National Trust's annual list of America's 11 Most Endangered Historic Places. For more information, link here: http://www.nationaltrust.org/11most/list.asp.
In addition, many statewide and local preservation groups also put
together annual endangered lists. Check with your state and local
organizations to see how to nominate this site to their lists; for their contact information, see the link above.


Your question may have involved listing an historic building on the
National Register, finding out if it is on the National Register, or
information on the Secretary of the Interior's Standards for
Rehabilitation. You can find this information at the following
websites: http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/index.htm and
http://www.cr.nps.gov/hps/tps/tpscat.htm or by calling your SHPO. You
should always contact your SHPO before you begin the National Register
nomination process.

After you have read this information and have contacted your SHPO and
Statewide organization, you might want to follow up with the Trust's
Regional Office. Please use this link for the contact information for
your Regional Office:
http://www.nationaltrust.org/regional_offices/index.html. When you
follow up with our regional office staff, please make sure you include
any information that you have obtained about the status of the site from the city, SHPO and statewide organizations.

We would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your support of the National Trust. With the kind of assistance you provide us through your annual membership dues and gifts, we are able to move forward on a wide range of programs designed to advance preservation interests all across the country. To see preservation work the Trust is undertaking in your state, please link here to read your regional office's newsletter: http://www.nationaltrust.org/regional_offices/index.html.

Thank you for your interest in preservation!

Sincerely,
Alexis Krivian, Intern
Resource Center




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