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Why Disneyland Sucks
Hiphipahula
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Posted: 2007-11-30 12:32 am   Permalink

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On 2007-11-30 00:13, Uncle Laffo wrote:
Mr. Toad's Wild Ride is gone.
I had a chance to buy a buggy but what am I gonna do with a huge fiberglass jalopy?
Here you go...
http://virtual-toad.com/
Laffo




Gone?? I was on it 4 days ago lol.. Tiki-Kate & I broke down in it, I assure you, it's still there

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Posted: 2007-11-30 12:38 am   Permalink

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On 2007-11-30 00:32, Hiphipahula wrote:
Quote:

On 2007-11-30 00:13, Uncle Laffo wrote:
Mr. Toad's Wild Ride is gone.
I had a chance to buy a buggy but what am I gonna do with a huge fiberglass jalopy?
Here you go...
http://virtual-toad.com/
Laffo




Gone?? I was on it 4 days ago lol.. Tiki-Kate & I broke down in it, I assure you, it's still there

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Uncle Laffo is confusing Disney World with Disneyland


 
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Cammo
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Posted: 2007-11-30 07:28 am   Permalink

The entire bottom floor of Innoventions was just sold to Microsoft Corporation.


 
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Cammo
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Posted: 2007-11-30 10:12 pm   Permalink

I ain’t even scratched the surface, and keep in mind that these are all recent things they’ve done, none of these even predate 1997, and many have happened in the last few years. Some they’re planning as you read this.

And – these were all true the last time I visited, but may be different or even worse now.

The main sign reading “DISNEYLAND, The Happiest Place on Earth” has been taken down. This used to be a huge banner sign at the car park entry, literally the signature sign of the whole park. It’s been replaced by what looks like big peeled oranges. (Symbolizing ‘this is the place we skin you?’) They did this right before the 50th anniversary celebrations, then bizarrely brought out a lot of 50th merchandise that incorporated that sign. I don’t know if they have ANY sign anywhere in the park system that declares it as the Happiest Place anymore. Apparently it’s just not important.

They no longer serve turkey dinners in the Plaza Inn at Thanksgiving & Christmas. This was the best food in the park – healthy and delicious. They used to vary the menu seasonally, but it’s always the same food now, every day; Pot Roast. Try Pot Roast on a hot August night. Yikes!

The Settlers’s Cabin doesn’t burn anymore. It burned for 50 years, then they turned off the propane. This was one of the best reasons to go on the canoes – to see the cabin up close – you could feel the flames and the canoe guides always paddled slow around there and joked it up.

Big Thunder Ranch BBQ, one of the best and oddly the fastest serving restaurant in Disneyland history, is closed. The weird part is, the whole operation is still there, they just won’t open it up unless you rent the space. At Big Thunder BBQ you could order ribs and chicken from a cookhouse wagon, get your food right away still smoking from the grill, and sit around a campfire at night at communal picnic tables, meeting and talking with other guests. Billy Hill and the boys would come around most nights and play wild bluegrass music, and tell jokes! It was amazing, fun, and so relaxing. So close it.

The Country Bear Jambouree is gone, seemingly in a fit of rage after the Country Bear movie bombed. People think it ‘made way’ for the Pooh ride, but they could have put the ride a leetle bit to the left without disturbing the bears.

The Disney Gallery was established to sell original Imagineer art. They no longer sell originals; it’s an upscale gift shop now.

They're not allowed to shoot the hippos in Adventureland. Now take my advice, if you ever get charged by a full sized hippo on say the Nile you had better getthe biggest guns that are sitting in the boat and shoot right between the eyes. Get EVERYBODY in the boat to shoot too.

The Indiana Jones ride interior has been gutted of fire and water. Nobody seems to notice that there aren’t many special effects anymore in the (formerly spectacular) main hall where the car goes over the bridge; the huge skull to the left used to gush a waterfall of red lava, etc. They run the car through this section faster now so you don’t have time to look around much.

You can’t go to the Blue Bayou without reservations anymore. For people with an internet connection, foreknowledge of the situation and the ability to plan 6 months in advance, this isn’t a problem. Nobody else can get in.

The Admiral Fowler Inn was designed to sell yummy seafood snacks. I think it sells french fries now.

The entry to Frontierland has been PC’ed. There is no Indian Village Encampment at the front. Inside, there is no sign of precautions against the Indians; the left door used to have a big stone weight over it for quick closure, but it’s been removed, etc. All the Frontierland stores used to sell western merchandise; you could buy a pretty nice jacket there, or a book on Indian tribes. They sell t-shirts now. I actually asked a shop lady if they sold any western items anymore, and she looked at me like I was painted purple. (I wasn’t.)

No Circlerama. Again, the Circlerama hasn’t been taken down, they just won’t open it.


The three sided sign beside the Tomorrowland train station hasn’t worked for years. (It animates.)

The Tomorrowland Monorail sign hasn’t worked for years. (It animates.)

Your and mine favorite ride, the Matterhorn. Get ready. They’re playing around with making the Matterhorn sleds two sets of three seated in-line cars, like log flume rides. That means your girlfriend won’t be able to sit on your lap. Now, I’m not kidding here, the whole reason for going on the Matterhorn is to get your girlfriend to sit on your lap and get tossed around for a few minutes. 36% of Californian marriages have been started this way. It’s important. Really important that they DON’T DO THIS. Moreover, the Matterhorn is one ride that pretty small kids can go on with their parents and actually sit on their laps. Log flume seating simply means very small kids can not go on the ride anymore. They aim to do away with this, for the worst of reasons; to increase efficiency.

They painted Tomorrowland rusty brown. The intent seems to have been to make Tomorrowland look old.

At the same time, they re-planted all of Tomorrowland with edible food. (Did you notice?) All the shrubs, the small plantings, the decorative details, are all edible food because in the future “all plants will have to be edible to support the population explosion”. Tomorrowland plants used to be the weirdest things they could find; succulents, rain forest vines, bizarre palms, to give the impression of other worlds. Now its pepper plants (very hard to maintain), there as food, but they won’t let you eat them of course.

The big wet spinning ball in front of Space Mountain used to have spray-water fountains all around it. They took those out; too much fun.

The Astro-Orbiter. As one of the ‘updates’ to Tomorrowland, they brought the rockets down off the raised gantry they used to sit on and planted them 60 feet lower. Now they barely go higher than the lamp poles. The rockets used to be one of the most exciting, awesome rides in the park. They’re now just like the Dumbo ride. Whose brilliant idea was it to raise the rockets up high in the first place, by simply sitting them on top of the elevators that take you up? Walt’s.

Almost all the benches have been removed from Disneyland. The only ones remaining are to watch the parades from. The rest, ones you could sit on and look at a map or eat an ice cream cone on, are gone. I think the only ambient benches remaining in the whole park are in front of Rancho del Zocalo in Frontierland.

California Adventure is so bad it actually has an unintentional slum area, the alley that's the only passage to the Tower of Terror. Trash regularly collects there, whirled in by air eddies formed by the huge undecorated warehouse-sized buildings that face the alley.




 
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Unga Bunga
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Posted: 2007-11-30 10:36 pm   Permalink


Booze in Disneyland? GOD forbid!
The main reason I go to California Adventure now.


 
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Hiphipahula
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Posted: 2007-12-01 02:01 am   Permalink

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On 2007-11-30 22:12, Cammo wrote:
these were all true the last time I visited, but may be different or even worse now.

***= MY LITTLE INPUT

The main sign reading “DISNEYLAND, The Happiest Place on Earth” has been taken down. This used to be a huge banner sign at the car park entry, literally the signature sign of the whole park. It’s been replaced by what looks like big peeled oranges. (Symbolizing ‘this is the place we skin you?’) They did this right before the 50th anniversary celebrations, then bizarrely brought out a lot of 50th merchandise that incorporated that sign. I don’t know if they have ANY sign anywhere in the park system that declares it as the Happiest Place anymore. Apparently it’s just not important.

***AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, JOHN STAMOS STILL OWNS IT.

They no longer serve turkey dinners in the Plaza Inn at Thanksgiving & Christmas. This was the best food in the park – healthy and delicious. They used to vary the menu seasonally, but it’s always the same food now, every day; Pot Roast. Try Pot Roast on a hot August night. Yikes!

*** I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT I JUST KNOW THEY AT LEAST RE-OPENED IT AFTER ONLY USING IT FOR THE BIRTHDAY PARTY EVENT. AND IT'S FILTY! CREEPY DIRTY AND THE SHAME IS IT HAS ONE OF THE MOST ORIGNAL 1955 LOOKS IN THE PARK. FILTHY I TELL YA!

The Settlers’s Cabin doesn’t burn anymore. It burned for 50 years, then they turned off the propane. This was one of the best reasons to go on the canoes – to see the cabin up close – you could feel the flames and the canoe guides always paddled slow around there and joked it up.

***SAFTY FIRST ?

The Disney Gallery was established to sell original Imagineer art. They no longer sell originals; it’s an upscale gift shop now.

***OH HELL, NOW THEY ARE MAKING IT INTO AN APT. WHERE THIS UP COMING YEAR YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN A NIGHT THERE(SURE) AND THEN I SUPPOSE IT WILL TURN INTO ANOTHER MAGICAL EVENT THAT ONLY RICH FOREIGNERS WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD

They're not allowed to shoot the hippos in Adventureland. Now take my advice, if you ever get charged by a full sized hippo on say the Nile you had better getthe biggest guns that are sitting in the boat and shoot right between the eyes. Get EVERYBODY in the boat to shoot too.

***THEY DO ONCE AGAIN SHOOT BLANKS AT THE HIPPO'S 11/25/07

The Indiana Jones ride interior has been gutted of fire and water. Nobody seems to notice that there aren’t many special effects anymore in the (formerly spectacular) main hall where the car goes over the bridge; the huge skull to the left used to gush a waterfall of red lava, etc. They run the car through this section faster now so you don’t have time to look around much.

*** I READ A FEW YEARS BACK THAT DISNEY SPENT MORE ON BUILDING THE INDY RIDE THAN THEY DID FOR THE COMPLETE "OVER-HAUL" OF TOMARROWLAND

You can’t go to the Blue Bayou without reservations anymore. For people with an internet connection, foreknowledge of the situation and the ability to plan 6 months in advance, this isn’t a problem. Nobody else can get in.

*** YES YOU CAN, I HAVE DONE IT ON OCCATION & HAVE CALLED AHEAD HOURS BEFORE & CAUGHT A RES. THERE IS HOPE, MANY PEOPLE CANCEL OR DON'T SHOW UP. THIS IS ALL PROBIBLY BECAUSE THEY SEE THE CHEAPIST THING ON THE DINNER MENU IS $26.00. KEEPS THE RIFF- RAFF DOWN I GUESS

The Admiral Fowler Inn was designed to sell yummy seafood snacks. I think it sells french fries now.

*** I DON'T KNOW BOUT THAT BUT,! THERE IS A F'IN MCDONALDS IN DISNEYLAND! WHO NEEDS THIS!!!!! WHO, WHO

The entry to Frontierland has been PC’ed. There is no Indian Village Encampment at the front. Inside, there is no sign of precautions against the Indians; the left door used to have a big stone weight over it for quick closure, but it’s been removed, etc. All the Frontierland stores used to sell western merchandise; you could buy a pretty nice jacket there, or a book on Indian tribes. They sell t-shirts now. I actually asked a shop lady if they sold any western items anymore, and she looked at me like I was painted purple. (I wasn’t.)

***AGAIN SAFTY FIRST ALONG WITH POLITICAL CORRECTNESS DAMN IT! & I'M PART AMERICAN INDIAN<< I SAID IT. I MISS THE PENELTON STORE.

No Circlerama. Again, the Circlerama hasn’t been taken down, they just won’t open it.

***NO MARY BLAIR MURALS, STAR SHIT INSTEAD & THEY HAVE THE MURALS INTACT TOO, LET’S SEE THEM!


Your and mine favorite ride, the Matterhorn. Get ready. They’re playing around with making the Matterhorn sleds two sets of three seated in-line cars, like log flume rides. That means your girlfriend won’t be able to sit on your lap. Now, I’m not kidding here, the whole reason for going on the Matterhorn is to get your girlfriend to sit on your lap and get tossed around for a few minutes. 36% of Californian marriages have been started this way. It’s important. Really important that they DON’T DO THIS. Moreover, the Matterhorn is one ride that pretty small kids can go on with their parents and actually sit on their laps. Log flume seating simply means very small kids can not go on the ride anymore. They aim to do away with this, for the worst of reasons; to increase efficiency.

***LOL LEANING BACK TO SEE WHAT YA FELT WAS JUST AS FUN

They painted Tomorrowland rusty brown. The intent seems to have been to make Tomorrowland look old.

*** AGAIN I READ A FEW YEARS BACK THAT DISNEY SPENT MORE ON BUILDING THE INDY RIDE THAN THEY DID FOR THE COMPLETE "OVER-HAUL" OF TOMARROWLAND

At the same time, they re-planted all of Tomorrowland with edible food. (Did you notice?) All the shrubs, the small plantings, the decorative details, are all edible food because in the future “all plants will have to be edible to support the population explosion”. Tomorrowland plants used to be the weirdest things they could find; succulents, rain forest vines, bizarre palms, to give the impression of other worlds. Now its pepper plants (very hard to maintain), there as food, but they won’t let you eat them of course.

***ALL THIS OF COURSE BECAUSE MID-WESTERNERS & FOREIGNERS LOVE CITRUS TREES

The Astro-Orbiter. As one of the ‘updates’ to Tomorrowland, they brought the rockets down off the raised gantry they used to sit on and planted them 60 feet lower. Now they barely go higher than the lamp poles. The rockets used to be one of the most exciting, awesome rides in the park. They’re now just like the Dumbo ride. Whose brilliant idea was it to raise the rockets up high in the first place, by simply sitting them on top of the elevators that take you up? Walt’s.

*** THE BIGGEST F-UP EVER! EVER! WHO THOUGHT OF THIS! WHAT DUMB ASSHOLE DID THIS!

Almost all the benches have been removed from Disneyland. The only ones remaining are to watch the parades from. The rest, ones you could sit on and look at a map or eat an ice cream cone on, are gone. I think the only ambient benches remaining in the whole park are in front of Rancho del Zocalo in Frontierland.

***IT’S CLEAR THEY DISCOURGE ANYONE REASTING UP BESIDES, KEEP IT MOVING (MICK WILL LIKE THIS) WE HAVE TO MAKE ROOM FOR SCOOTERS CARRYING NON HANDICAP PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO WALK.

*** IT BOTHERS ME THAT THEY FEEL THE NEED TO CHANGE PRE RECORDED ORIG. RIDE SOUNDTRACKS BECAUSE SOMEONE? RIDE OPERATER? HIGHER-UPS? WHO? IS TIRED OF HEARING IT? I DON'T KNOW ,,, AT LEAST NOW, PETER PAN TAKES OFF & YOU HEAR "HERE WE GO" EVERY COUPLE TIMES A SHIP LEAVES THE DECK. THE OTHER TIMES IT SAYS "OFF TO NEVERLAND!" LEAVE IT ALONE! IT WASN'T BROKEN!! FIRE THESE KNUCKLE HEADS PLEASE!

*** FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH





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Cammo
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Posted: 2007-12-01 06:10 am   Permalink

More.

You can't go up into Sleeping Beauty Castle anymore. The doors at the inside base of the castle were entry doors. You could enter at the bottom, climb steps up, and they'd have these cool little 3D dioramas of the story of Sleeping Beauty. It was really great for little kids.

They took this away not too long ago: we used to take our kid there. And it's all still inside, they just won't open the door. Why close it? Why not just have a warning sign on the door about how many steps are involved? Or make the stairs bigger? It was a narrow stairway because it was designed that way for kids. (Kids are small.) Who designed it? Walt.

The Blue Bayou - yes you can get in but it's difficult. Why make it difficult? Why not increase the hours of the operation or speed up the food delivery or just go back to a sign-up system that's convenient to guests at the park that day?

Keep in mind that Walt had to fight EVERYONE for these rides & restaurants. Nobody thought the Treehouse was a good idea; even his Imagineers. The Plaza Inn was Walt's idea - he wanted good food in a clean setting.

Everyone thought the Haunted Mansion wouldn't work; it was thought to be too scary. Pirates took too long to go through. Making Presidents into robots was sacrilidge. But time and time again Walt had to put his foot down, and tell people to SHUT UP and DO IT. Every single minute of the day Walt was working for the public, not the engineers and the lawyers. The lawyers told him over and over that you couldn't build the Treehouse because people would fall out of it.

Walt built it anyway, cause he wanted the biggest treehouse in the world.


 
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Posted: 2007-12-01 08:49 am   Permalink

Cammo, you and Hipahula are very much on the money with these comments. I am glad you see the truth of things.

 
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Cammo
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Posted: 2007-12-01 09:25 am   Permalink

I repeat, the entire bottom floor of Innoventions was just sold to Microsoft Corporation.

There can be only one reason for Microsoft to go after a youth audience; their X-Box.

The plan for Tomorrowland is to be Star Wars and video games.

Has anybody noticed that Star Wars takes place in the past?

"A long time ago in a galaxy far far away..."


 
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Posted: 2007-12-01 10:03 am   Permalink

I remember they used to have similar inventions you could interact with outside of circlevision. The ones in innoventions are unplayable! The only cool thing is the sample of house of the futures kitchen. The wallpaper is awesome. Like the shower curtains in Al-ii's bathroom.

 
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Posted: 2007-12-01 1:13 pm   Permalink

Edited to remove stupidity.



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Cammo
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Posted: 2007-12-01 6:05 pm   Permalink

Heath pal, the whole point of this thread is to criticize Disneyland. That's why it's called 'Why Disneyland Sucks'.

We're trying to stay on topic.

Keep in mind these aren't tiny little quibbles over personal favorite parts of the park; they involve massive changes to their largest, most popular rides, lands and restaurants. Gutting the inside of Indiana Jones yet charging MORE each year is a big deal, and people should complain.

Why not?

Why aren't you folks on Walt's side?


 
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2007-12-02 07:53 am   Permalink

I will never understand people like "Heath".

Correct me if I am wrong here: Wasn't it a massive outcry on internet forums like Mouse planet that saved the Enchanted Tiki Room?

They WERE going to tear that one down too, and didn't because there was a huge backlash from dedicated fans.

I am hoping the same thing happens with these threads.

Heath, would you like the Tiki room tore down, and a lilo and stitch ride put there instead?

Becuase that's what will happen if voices like yours are the only one's heard.


 
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Uncle Laffo
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Posted: 2007-12-02 10:55 pm   Permalink

How dare me confuse the two. I only live on the East Coast. For us it is Disneyland, even though it's World. It's like every soda being a Coke. Actually the changes to the park here have been more drastic.
Laffo


 
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Cammo
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Posted: 2007-12-03 10:56 am   Permalink

I’ve got some harsh news for y’all, and rather than sugar-coat it I’ll just say it right out.

Disney Theme Park Managers are not supernatural geniuses who fly through the air at night visiting little children’s dreams to learn what they’d really like to see at the Parks.

They are people just like you and me. They zip their pants in the front. They have bad hair days. They drink coffee and worry about their families. They make mistakes.

Most of the awful stuff done to all the theme parks happened during the 1994-2002 years, known to Disney employees as the Pressler Era. These were the years Paul Pressler was either in charge of rides or chairman of all theme park operations; in other words, he had Walt’s job.

Now you have to be fair to Paul. It’s an almost impossible job. Looking after one theme park is enough to have you hooting at midnight from the local belfry. Paul presided over the opening of a second major park, a hotel, a shopping center and the retooling of countless other attractions. Even if it was just the law of averages working against him, he had to make mistakes.

But Paul seems to have gone way out of his way to do things the wrong way every single time. You can’t blame him; he came up through the ranks from Disney Store management. It was like putting a Target sales clerk in charge of the oldest art gallery in Paris. Then giving him 2.5 billion dollars to play with.

If you’d like to learn more about Mr. Pressler, check out this thorough and illuminating posting on Mouse Planet:

http://www.mouseplanet.com/more/mm020930.htm

In it, each ride closed/modified/commenced and redecorated is listed, and the final total is an eye-popping negative two for the years 1995-2002.

This means in Disneyland there are two rides less now than when Pressler started.


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