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Why Disneyland Sucks
Hakalugi
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Posted: 2007-12-08 7:31 pm   Permalink

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On 2007-12-08 18:55, Tangaroa wrote:
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On 2007-12-04 22:06, Unga Bunga wrote:
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On 2007-12-04 16:14, Hakalugi wrote:
For those of you that bother to actually read it, you'll even find an "article" there from Tangaroa.



Well, where is the wanker?
Come on Tang!









I hate this - because "Tongaroa" - who IS NOT ME (notice the spelling is different)- is probably being confused as me. And I would never post on the re-imagineering blog - it would be a violation of all the non-disclosure agreements I have signed. I have removed my username as such on all blogs & chatrooms I do frequent (except here & BaliHijinks) because of this person. So, I just comment as my real name. I don't know who "Tongaroa" is - but I do wish this person would have chosen another name to use.



Sorry about that Tang. I guess I didn't bother to actually read it. Well at least you now had an opportunity to clear up any misunderstandings.


 
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Posted: 2007-12-24 12:45 am   Permalink


Don't kick Pluto in the nuts you little shit!


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Posted: 2007-12-24 12:48 am   Permalink

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On 2007-12-08 19:31, Hakalugi wrote:
Sorry about that Tang. I guess I didn't bother to actually read it. Well at least you now had an opportunity to clear up any misunderstandings.



Ya Tang, I really didn't read it either.
I was just tryin' to call you out for rare Tang post.


 
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Cammo
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Posted: 2007-12-24 07:54 am   Permalink

Overcrowding Part 1

The daily overcrowding at Disneyland has been going on for a long time. Itís not just annoying, itís downright dangerous because Ė and think about this Ė

thereís only one exit door.

Thatís right, thereís only one exit to Disneyland. Itís right beside the entrance door. Itís about 10 feet wide when they open it up all the way, but usually itís only open half way.

Now donít get me wrong, you shouldnít try this in real life, but if anybody was to scream ďBomb, RUN! Itís a BOMB!Ē or if anybody tried any creepy terrorist stuff there or if a nutball started shooting, or anything else that takes place everywhere else in America every single day, you canít get out of the park. Itís simply impossible. No exits are marked because there arenít any exits. Any kind of panic causing a crowd to rush in any direction would simply be fatal.

Nowadays on a busy day at DLand if you get in an accident and have to be rushed to the hospital, or if you have a heart attack and ditto, forget about getting to the emergency ward on time. This has actually happened, in the infamous Mel Yorba incident in 1981, which Disney wisely settled out of court for an undisclosed sum. Yorba was stabbed at the park and was slowly taken to the hospital in a cute White Disneyland First Aid van, a van without emergency lights, siren, or much lifesaving equipment. He died.

Since the death of Yorba and two others a few days later who also used the Van, Disneyís policy is now to allow paramedics and ambulances into the park immediately. This would seem to be a good idea, except for those crowds. Thereís no emergency lanes anywhere in the park, remember?

It would seem to violate every reasonable law on overcrowding, every national and local safety law ever created about exit doors and emergency vehicles, because Ė itís Disneyland!

Walt designed it that way, as an enormous lobster trap (easy to enter, hard to exit) because Disneyland was designed to hold 15,000 people a day, maximum. Thatís sort of a manageable amount.

Management is very aware of the problem. Believe it or not, that is exactly why California Adventure was created; to relieve overcrowding at Disneyland like a steam bleed valve.

California Adventure was never really constructed to make money, believe it or not. Hotels have huge upkeep and building costs. CA has basically the same entrance fee, meaning they're not actually making any more money on entrance, and a lot of expensive rides had to be built. It was simply supposed to keep people AWAY from Disneyland by making Disneyland bigger.

Thatís how it was proposed, no kidding. Weíll keep more people away from Disneyland by making it bigger.

Itís the kind of logic that used to get the Three Stooges in a lot of trouble.

Cause if itís bigger, more people will come. Especially if you build a big olí 455 room hotel right on the grounds, as planned from the outset.

And more parking spaces. A lot more.


 
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Tom Slick
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Posted: 2007-12-24 4:59 pm   Permalink

Personally, they should scrap DCA, and instead put some of the most popular rides that florida has that anaheim lacks, cause god knows that DCA is no where near the equal entry price as Disneyland. Forget the themes for now, until you pick at least 8 of the best rides from florida and then incorporate a theme around all the rides! That car test track looked cool, as well as their upspeed and more complex version of the mattahorn(different name i cannot recall.), and I'm sure there are a few more...

Another reason why Disneyland sucks, even in their DVD line of "Walt Disneys Treasures: Disneyland USA" and "Walt Disney Presents" series, they've repeated themselves, adding alot of the same material on either disks, Almost as if they thought nobody would notice...It would have been a much nicer collectors DVD IF they wouldn't have cut corners once again...Each DVD release should have at least 95% if not 100% never before seen/used footage in the series. They are running about 65% original content per limited tin set, if I had to guess. I won't be bamboozled by Disney again to buy these Tin collectors sets....I bought 3, each time excited about the releases, and each one was gradually more dissapointing than the last after watching them and seeing alot of the same snipits and content.


 
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2007-12-25 12:01 pm   Permalink

Well, I did like the tommorrowland treasure! The animation on the mars segment alone was worth it. Very fantasia-like.

Wow. 15,000 capacity. What is it these days, 60-70,000?

I had a panic attack one time while trying to exit the park during the parade. We were all just shuffling along like packed sardines. It was very scary and I was thinking the same thing at the time. What if there is a crowd surge? We have all read accounts of the soccer riots in Europe, and people dying smashed into a chain link fence, or being trampled to death. It could happen.


 
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Mr. NoNaMe
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Posted: 2007-12-25 3:55 pm   Permalink

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On 2007-12-24 07:54, Cammo wrote:
Overcrowding Part 1

The daily overcrowding at Disneyland has been going on for a long time. Itís not just annoying, itís downright dangerous because Ė and think about this Ė

thereís only one exit door.

Thatís right, thereís only one exit to Disneyland. Itís right beside the entrance door. Itís about 10 feet wide when they open it up all the way, but usually itís only open half way.





Actually, I think there are about seven emergency exits. Even though the facility seems antiquated certain measures have been installed since 9/11. And prior. We as Americans love to sew for just about anything. Amazingly the park could be 90% emptied in less than three minutes (on paper) if there were not any dorks dorkin off on on the Tom Sawyers Island.
I remember SOOO many places to hide pissing off mom. Jumping on the ship back to main land, wathcing mom walking around Tom Sawyers Island. Oh man that was so much fun. You parents don't realize how much the kids know about the park. WE ARE, I mean the kids are watching you!!!
Can you still go on the Island?
Tom Sawyers Island is where most of the patrons would be stuck.

Not sure if it was mentioned, but there is just as much Disney under ground as there is above. It had to have been mentioned, duh..

This is absolutely hearsay.
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Cammo
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Posted: 2007-12-25 4:10 pm   Permalink

"seven emergency exits"

None of these are marked. What's the point of an emergency exit if it isn't marked? And trying to direct people to an unknown, undoubtedly small emergency exit would probably cause more confusion than safety. Seven exits for 70,000 people is 10,000 people PER EXIT!

And "clear the park" out to where? Where are there waiting areas for 70,000 people?

The point is - has this ever been tried? Because the numbers on a busy day are REALLY scary. 70,000 is just the beginning of it. But that's another story - the dreaded Parts 2 & 3.


 
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Mr. NoNaMe
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Posted: 2007-12-25 5:37 pm   Permalink

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On 2007-12-25 16:10, Cammo wrote:


And "clear the park" out to where? Where are there waiting areas for 70,000 people?




Can you imagine 50,000 people running like lemmings on S. Disney & S. Harbour? Heads on fire and such. The exits are designed for "escorted" emergencies. Like that will help. "Excuse me, please fallow me to the....emerrr...argggggssxxiittt!"

The "waiting" ares aren't really necessary. Disney is not that concerned about us once we leave the park.
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Cammo
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Posted: 2007-12-26 07:39 am   Permalink

Part 2

In the old days, it was easy. The Disneyland parking lot in front was designed to hold 15,000 cars. This included employee parking, though, bringing Guest spaces down to as little as 10-12,000. The math is simple Ė at 3 people per car, thatís 33,000 guests per day, maximum. At 4 per car, 44,000, which was the most anybody ever thought Disneyland could hold.

Theyíd count how many were going into the park, measure this against ride capacity and Cast Members hired for the day, figure the maximum they could take, and then theyíd do something very reasonable. Theyíd put a little sandwich sign out front saying ďParking Lot FullĒ.

It was that easy. A sign that would cost about $14.00 from Home Depot lumber was the off switch that controlled every aspect of the parkís running for the day. Every dollar made, every smile, every single thing you did and how fast you did it depended on that little beat up sign. Because there was almost nowhere else to park. Even if you stayed in one of the many hotels in the area, and most didnít, the shuttle service was spotty. If the Disneyland lot was full, you basically didnít go in. Thatís how they controlled overcrowding.

And it worked just fine.

Until they decided to get rid of the parking lot and build another park in its place.

Nobody seems to have questioned building Disney's California Adventure when Paul Pressler and Barry Braverman proposed it to Michael Eisner in a meeting at Aspen. It would work. DCA would make some money, relieve Disneyland of the crowds and be the envy of the world. The new hotel there would be classy & expensive. There would be special rooms for Management, and it would provide corporate party (sorry, meeting) facilities, very important these days to Disney Inc.

Then they built the damn thing and forgot to tell the Imagineers to use their imaginations. Think about it; almost no theme park on Earth has less imagination per square foot than Disneyís California Adventure. Itís not based on any imaginary land or experience because it's not supposed to; itís based on California. Every part of it mimics a place in California. The idea was that tourists wouldnít HAVE to visit northern redwoods, they could see them right here at DCA. You donít have to visit the ocean, weíll just build a big shallow swimming pool, call it an ocean, not let people go into the water on hot August days, and theyíll love it!

Fuzzy thinking.

They built it anyway. And believe it or not, nobody goes to Disney's California Adventure.

2006 Attendance Totals;

Disney World - 16.64 Million
Disneyland - 14.73 Million
Tokyo Disneyland - 12.90 Million
Tokyo DisneySea - 12.10 Million
Disneyland Paris - 10.60 Million
Epcot - 10.46 Million
Disney-MGM Studios - 9.10 Million
Disney's Animal Kingdom - 8.91 Million
Disney's California Adventure - 5.95 Million

Who cares? Iíll tell ya who Ė everybody who now has to put up with the massive, stifling, unendurable levels of overcrowding happening at Disneyland every day. The crowds are almost entirely due to Disney management overestimating by literally tens of millions the amount of people they thought would be going to DCA. They built a highway off-ramp to handle the estimated crowds. They built a new parking structure, the largest single parking building in North America. They built a hotel. They put in a long narrow shopping district, imported specialty stores from across the state, built restaurants, bars, teddy bear emporiums,

And then nobody came. What the public does right now, and has done since DCA was built in 2001, is to use the new parking areas & hotel & highway ramps & shopping mall entrance as an even larger gateway to Disneyland. They simply ignore the existence of DCA and head over to DLand.

And the ďParking Lot FullĒ sign is gone, because nowadays hereís your options -

Mickey & Friends Parking Structure (10,242 cars)
New Hotel Shuttle Arrivals Area (extremely busy)
Pinocchio Parking Lot
Disneyland Hotel Self-Park
Downtown Disney Self-Park & Valet
Disney's Grand Californian Self-Park
Downtown Disney Self-Park
Timon Parking Lot
Pumba Parking Lot

Yikes, Goofy!

Next - the numbers.


 
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Mai Tai
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Posted: 2007-12-26 2:40 pm   Permalink

Cammo, this is almost as scary as your halloween stories! Where do the bog people park? More Disneyland and DCA scary story, please!
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Posted: 2007-12-26 2:44 pm   Permalink

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On 2007-12-26 14:40, Mai Tai wrote:
Where do the bog people park?





 
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Cammo
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Posted: 2007-12-27 10:54 am   Permalink

Part 3

Disneyland has always been overcrowded.

Opening day in 1955 was estimated at 15,000; the amount of invite-only tickets made. 28,154 showed up, famously climbing over the embankments and printing literally thousands of duplicate tickets to get in. This both scared and enticed Walt, who went to work with his planners to design new walk areas & line queues to allow Disneyland to hold 30,000 people.

Nowadays, low attendance days are anything under 30,000. Ask a Cast Member, any cast Member, they always know the daily totals. It gets around the grapevine really fast; ďWeíre up to 25, 35 projected.Ē The workers physically relax when they know less than 30,000 are coming into the park that day. They know it will be an easy day, a fun time for everybody.

Because the moderate-busy days are up to 50,000. A normal weekend, a regular Friday night in May, thatís the average attendance, 50,000 to 60,000. The staff gets keyed up on these days, they know they canít devote much time to the niceties, and they all start working more like machines. You can see it in their eyes.

But itís the busy-day attendance numbers that scare everybody. Employees dread working in the park on those days, especially the ones who have to work out in the crowds. On a busy day, there can be 70 - 85,000 guests in the park. At 85 or 86,000 Park Managers seem to be required to actually call the County Fire Marshall, who officially closes the front doors. Why have they picked this number? Why not 75,000? It canít be based on exit strategies, in case of a fire, say. There seem to be no exit plans. Or on the inability to get emergency vehicles anywhere into the park, because on busy days you simply canít move anywhere.

Maybe itís based on food reserves that can be served. Who knows?

But here are the real numbers; 85,000 doesnít count Cast Members! Itís an attendance figure only.

So with 5000 Ė 10,000 Cast Members in the park (Disney wonít release figures on any of this, so itís really hard to pin down) working above and below ground, coming and going, running parades, security everywhere, the actual numbers in the park can be up to 95,000.

But Ė that doesnít count those BIG STROLLERS. Because they take up the room of two to three people. And it doesnít count Fatmobiles, the electric cars those old fat people ride when they canít fit into wheelchairs anymore. They as well take up the room of 2-3 people. As a matter of fact, the only way of getting yourself any room in Disneyland on a busy day is to ride a Fatmobile and charge directly at a crowd. People run! Itís great sport!

So Ė if 1 person in 10 brings a huge stroller, and 1 in 20 bring a Fatmobile, on a busy day the park is crowded with in effect 107,750 people! And this is a lowball estimate.

The problem is, itís the job of Disney Management to get more people to come to the park, not less. High attendance is of course seen as a good thing. A profit of as little as $10 per guest can be as high as 800,000 in profit per day on busy days! At 15,000,000 per year attending, thatís $150,000,000 in profit per year. Every year. For ever.

And thatís why you see all those billboards on Highway 5 trying to get more people to come to the Park. They want more people. Itís their job, and they do it very well. More people come there every year. It ruins the experience, but nobody cares. Even visitors donít seem to care, even when they can only go on 3-5 rides a day. And how do you make people NOT come to Disneyland? And why?

The problem is, there may be no solution to any of this. People think that if they really look at any bad situation long enough and ponder hard enough, an answer will pop up that will solve everything. But maybe this just isnít solvable. Maybe thereís no way to fix it.

So Ė

What Would Walt Do?


 
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Hakalugi
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Posted: 2007-12-27 11:10 am   Permalink

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On 2007-12-27 10:54, Cammo wrote:
Part 3
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So Ė

What Would Walt Do?



Weed out the cheapskates by no longer selling annual passports.


 
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