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Unga Bunga
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From: CaliTikifornia
Posted: 2008-01-29 11:29 am   Permalink

Sorry Sven, you can't have em.

 
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Johnny Dollar
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Joined: Oct 01, 2003
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From: Columbus, Ohiya
Posted: 2008-01-29 1:48 pm   Permalink

what would kristin gehring say...

 
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Beachcomber
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Posted: 2008-01-29 1:54 pm   Permalink

Thank you for the lesson in lighting. Going back to Leeteg of Tahiti I now see so well how important it is for dramatic effect. There's got to be some TCers who'd love to pose for you if you wanted to work with me.

Here are some ideas I thought I'd work from. They're all from old post cards, but again I'm reluctant to use them as a source because of potential copyright issues. The last one is a rough idea to mix Tiki with Caravagio. Tikiavagio?


















 
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BC-Da-Da
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Joined: Aug 14, 2002
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Posted: 2008-01-29 2:36 pm   Permalink

I've been wanting a velvet painting of Don Ho for years now. Also, a Blue Hawaii velvet of Elvis. It seems like every other era of Elvis is seen all the time on velvet, but I've not myself been able to track down a Blue Hawaii one.

I would think the Elvis one could be a big seller anywhere, while a Don Ho series of velvets might move in tiki aficianado circles.

Just a suggestion...


 
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bigbrotiki
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
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From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
Posted: 2008-01-30 11:22 pm   Permalink

Sigh. Now: WHO here would like to have a fine black velvet painting hanging in their home bar/rec room? Quite a few folks, I would assume.
So: Here is a genuine request for material with which WE, the TCers, could help the creation of such paintings become a reality....AND, even better, put the concept of making them yourself out there, maybe sowing the seed for more people to get into it !!!...and all we can muster up is this?

The only person who came even close to posting something productive in terms of model material was the initial poster himself! Embarrassing.

To keep Tiki culture alive and growing, you have to do a little work, contribute, water the Tiki Garden!
Why do I have to do everything round here.... This is not even my expertise....grumble grumble...

Koolau had a good suggestion: Old postcards. Now good ones are not that easy to come by, but with all the hunters and collectors here, there must be more than these two for example:





Then there are the Mai Kai calendar girls:



And old tourist photo books and brochures. This guy has nice shading for black velvet portraiture:



But ultimately, the classic black velvet subject is the Wahine, preferably in the nude. Now we do not necessarily need a Polynesian nude, one can simply ad the island elements to a classic nude photo in the painting:



I easily could see her sitting on a rock, with a waterfall pouring over her. This and the next two nudes are by 50s photographer Andre DeDienes, who did tons of nude photo books for the adult "artistic" photography connoisseurs of the mid-century.

Here is a leafy nature girl that would look nice on velvet:



And look at her....uh, GUITAR !:



Beachcomb, I would not worry about copyright until you plan to make thousands of paintings, really! So you can go and use contemporary photos like these:



On the next one, which is another example of low angle key lighting, I tried to do the "crank-up-the-contrast" trick, which was unfavorable for her facial features, but then, who's complaining...:



The two contemporary photos above are by Teva Sylvain, descendant of Sylvain, THE outstanding photographer of Tahitian Vahines in the 20th Century. If anybody ever turns this classic photo by Sylvain below into a good black velvet, I want it:



'nuff said.


 
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harro
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From: Australia
Posted: 2008-01-31 04:44 am   Permalink

'nuff said alright...

PS: another very informative, well researched and visually stunning post Sven!


 
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GatorRob
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Joined: Aug 20, 2004
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From: Orlando
Posted: 2008-01-31 06:32 am   Permalink

If Mai-Kai calendar girls are desirable for black velvets (and I think they are, even though they are not nude), there are plenty of pictures of them available here for inspiration:

1966
1975
1978
1990
And the several years of Mai-Kai calendars that Swanky posted on his blog.

I think this one in particular would make a stunning velvet:



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cheeky half
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Joined: Nov 22, 2002
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From: Tucson, AZ
Posted: 2008-01-31 08:09 am   Permalink

Here are a couple of velvets from our collection to perhaps 'inspire' you.





I'm not sure if basing your velvet painting on some old photos or postcards will get you in trouble until you start reproducing it and making tons of money selling it. If what you want to do is use some old pics as 'inspiration' I'd say you'd be in very good company. (Although I'd tend to steer clear of a certain well-known M. Mouse. His bosses tend to be, ironically, a bit overzealous in the protection racket.).

Naked, or semi-naked ladies in tropical settings are an obvious choice, and Svens' post above is a great jumping-off point. Elvis has been done a lot but it seems his Estate doesn't mind too much these days (sensible of them).

It really comes down to the lighting with a velvet. You just gotta go for mood and drama and boldness. Watch old Film Noir as well. You can say you're doing 'research' while enjoying great film.

Oh, and please don't paint bullfighters. Nothing personal against bullfighters, but they already have too many pictures of themselves in velvet. I know vanity is part of their 'thing' but really...

Wasn't it Picasso who said “good artists copy, great artists steal.”?

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Blowfish
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From: Hula-ifornia
Posted: 2008-01-31 11:05 am   Permalink

Feel free to take a look at MY website for inspiration. If you want to use one of the shots I took as inspiration we can talk about some kind of trade or reference in exchange. best way to contact me is peter_t_richards @ yahoooooooooooo .com you get the idea. Please do NOT reproduce without my permission... but I am certainly willing to talk and work with any TC artist or do an exchange.

Cheers

www.TheHulaDance.com

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TikiPhil
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Joined: Nov 21, 2004
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From: Riverside, CA
Posted: 2008-01-31 12:50 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2008-01-30 23:22, bigbrotiki wrote:

The two contemporary photos above are by Teva Sylvain, descendant of Sylvain, THE outstanding photographer of Tahitian Vahines in the 20th Century.



There are a lot of great Teva Sylvain photos on this website:
http://www.pacific-promotion.com.fr/WW70AWP/WW70AWP.EXE/CONNECT/Tahiti?mappel=CONNEXION&langue=us&mconnex=photo
Here are some examples that I think would be great for black velvet insperation (They are all copyright PACIFIC PROMOTION TAHITI SA.)





There are just a few tiki related photos like these:



And there are also some great wallpapers - this is the one on my desktop:



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Beachcomber
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Posted: 2008-01-31 1:33 pm   Permalink

Here's my 'I wish I really had Photo Shop to do this right' manipulation of a post card to see what I could come up with for a reference. I know there are TCers who could do a much better job than me on some of the great photos people are submitting.



Does anyone make a color printer that works on velvet?


 
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Paipo
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Joined: Jun 22, 2006
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From: Aotearoa / NZ
Posted: 2008-01-31 1:34 pm   Permalink

Many of the old (1950s or earlier) Tahiti and Marquesas travel books have nice B&W photos with great contrast. Ditto the older Oceanic arts books for tikis. I've found quite a few complete books on the internet archive and project gutenberg, and ebay listings often have some nice scans included. There are always plenty of vintage postcards on there (ebay) too. There is also a very nice Taschen book on Sylvain.
I've been collecting these for a while in the hopes of one day doing a large scale "Beauty and the Beast" sculpture...





Pretty sure this one has been done a few times - he looks very familiar:

As does this chap....

We return to our regular programming:











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TikiPhil
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From: Riverside, CA
Posted: 2008-01-31 1:46 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2008-01-31 13:34, Paipo wrote:




Which month was she on the Mai Kai Calendar?


 
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bigbrotiki
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
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From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
Posted: 2008-01-31 1:51 pm   Permalink

Yesssss, that is great! Thank you, my faith is restored!

Now, Beachcomber, you are under the gun! In a couple of weeks, we wanna see results!

I think you did great with your photo conversion above. It would be neat if one could store the combination of settings, and then one-click the photos with it, and quickly check if they would work as velvets.

PS.: I am not talking about HER ! BAD! (also, see Tiki Modern page 268)





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Trader Tiki
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From: Portland, OR
Posted: 2008-01-31 2:04 pm   Permalink

Goodness!

This thread is reminding me of going into the ABC stores as a young'n and picking up as many nudey Polynesian girl paraphernalia as I could fit in my backpack.

A local artist has a number of velvet paintings of mugs on the walls of Thatch, some of which are for sale. It's simple to sit a mug on a black backdrop and go to town!
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