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Toataiaha
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From: Otautahi , Te WahiPounamu
Posted: 2008-05-28 10:41 pm   Permalink

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On 2008-05-28 22:15, pdrake wrote:
thanks, toataiaha, i love the info. this wood is not too heavy so it will probably be a display piece. it's still far from done.



No worries mate .
The thing is with edged Patu , they are Blades , not clubs .
Same with the Taiaha , it is a double ended , two handed , LongSword .

Jock



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pdrake
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From: las vegas
Posted: 2008-05-28 10:42 pm   Permalink

heath, it's beef bone.

 
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pdrake
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From: las vegas
Posted: 2008-05-28 10:54 pm   Permalink

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On 2008-05-28 22:41, Toataiaha wrote:
Quote:

On 2008-05-28 22:15, pdrake wrote:
thanks, toataiaha, i love the info. this wood is not too heavy so it will probably be a display piece. it's still far from done.



No worries mate .
The thing is with edged Patu , they are Blades , not clubs .
Same with the Taiaha , it is a double ended , two handed , LongSword .

Jock








and they were usually carved from whale bone, like a kotiate.

i also thought the style of club i was carving was a patu-paraoa, but i'm just a white guy in las vegas. i'm sure there are lot's of things i don't know and am always happy to learn from the source. kia ora mate! seriously.



 
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Toataiaha
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From: Otautahi , Te WahiPounamu
Posted: 2008-05-29 12:42 am   Permalink

'Patu paraoa' is simply whale bone club . The design is , whatever it is .
In your case , it is a 'patu rakau waha-ika ' a 'wooden fish-mouth club '
A point here is that the term 'club' is a misnomer . Whoever came up with that one must have been looking at a blunt one .

This transcript from Te Papa Museum may interest you .
there is a short video too

""
Erana
And we’ve got a couple of hand held weaponry here, in particular the kotiate. Now those of you who may not have seen a kotiate before, as you can notice it is of a different shape, has a couple of niches in here. Dion how does the kotiate work?

Dion
For all the boys who are doing kapa haka, they are most probably familiar with the kotiate. It’s… the English terminology for it is what we term as a cleave. We don’t use the term club, ‘cause club basically means that you don’t need to aquire any sort of prowess when you’re fighting. But with the likes of the kotiate, the wahaika, the patu parâoa, the patu râkau, the mere pounamu, all those other types of patu, there’s skill that’s required and you need to master them. Basically, the functionality of this particular taonga, is that…say for instance if you have the taiaha which I had previously, if it was struck down towards you, basically you could offer a block (if you can just catch that in there). So I would catch the taiaha…and there is a groove, (I don’t know if you can see it, but there is a black sort of curtain behind me) but anyway it would be caught in this area here. And that’s why the young guys would work on their flexibility to strengthen their wrists so as they could actually snap…like so - you’re most probably familiar with this – and basically destroy your opponent’s weapon. ""

http://www.digitalconversations.org.nz/vc/weaponry/mov/4/?video-size=transcript

na Jock





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tiki beat by marcus thorn
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Posted: 2008-05-29 12:52 am   Permalink

keep up the good work my friend.work work work

 
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pdrake
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Posted: 2008-05-29 10:05 am   Permalink

thanks, marcus. hope you guys are doing great!

thanks for the post jock. that's a lot of great information. i really appreciate it.


 
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pdrake
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Posted: 2008-05-29 4:14 pm   Permalink

here are a couple of pictures with daylight.





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pdrake
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Posted: 2008-05-30 12:35 pm   Permalink

almost done.


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harro
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Posted: 2008-05-30 1:19 pm   Permalink

sweet inlay work pdrake!!

me likey.


 
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seeksurf
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Posted: 2008-05-30 5:04 pm   Permalink

Nice, very cool looking, so white and the shell WOW!

 
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pdrake
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Posted: 2008-05-30 5:18 pm   Permalink

thanks, harro and seeksurf.

i cut both pieces of paua from the same shell next to each other so they'd kind of match grain wise. it's all about learning and trying new things.

it's extra white and very shiny now that i've given it the final polish. i just have to finish the lashing and it will be ready to move to market. just about 15 minutes of work left. i say i have about 4-6 hours into this piece. if it ever sells i'll be making about minimum wage. oh, well, it's either this or dunk fries at a local fast food joint. (not that there's anything wrong with that.)
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Matt Reese
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Posted: 2008-05-30 5:20 pm   Permalink

That is a really nice piece. Good work man!

 
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tikifreak1
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Posted: 2008-05-30 5:25 pm   Permalink

Pdrake- awesome job! Did you already get the shell with the rough side already polished or did you sand it down yourself. I had issues when I tried to sand the rough side down with all the bumps and pockets, it was hard to tell the thickness (for me anyways) just wondered if you had any pointers because I'm about to do some shell work.

Thanks,
Craig


 
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pdrake
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Posted: 2008-05-30 5:32 pm   Permalink

thanks matt and craig.

craig, i buy the shells already sanded off. they run about $15US. they aren't polished, just sanded down. i'm sorry, i don't remember where i bought them. i think it was from ebay.
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JohnnyP
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Posted: 2008-05-30 6:47 pm   Permalink

Sweet inlay work!

 
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