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Hawaii Five-O 2.0
Donnabeach
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Posted: 2010-06-13 02:10 am   Permalink



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beadtiki
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Posted: 2010-06-13 3:58 pm   Permalink

Perhaps this thread should be renamed The Ventures Thread!

I did see a regular tv commercial for the new H50 show - they're already promoting it for fall! Sheesh - let's have a chance at enjoying the summer before we start thinking about fall!
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molo
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Posted: 2010-06-14 04:18 am   Permalink

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On 2010-06-13 15:58, beadtiki wrote:
Perhaps this thread should be renamed The Ventures Thread!



Well forums are all about trivia (and the trivial), so let us lift our glasses and plow forth. Besides, you don't really think H5O 2.0 bests talking about the real thing (er, 1.0), do you? Same goes for the Ventures -- but that's a given.

Now as for you Auntie Tutu...
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On 2010-06-13 02:10, Donnabeach wrote:
Aloha again Molo, If I didn't know any better I'd think I was talkin' to one of the Ventures. And I really hate to correct such a lovely band. But if it's schooling you need...



Eh no be like dat sistah! But since I'm back in class, uh halau wid da kumu(weep), I shall refer to you henceforth as Auntie or Tutu - or both.

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First, the theme was played plenty Hawaii and yes it's popularity shot up all over the islands and the mainland. But that rise has been credited to an Island DJ named Aku(real name Hal Lewis)and it was the original he played in 1968, not the Ventures cover you so covet.



"Covet"? Whaa?? You're losing me already.

I remember Akuhead quite well. And yes, he was the DJ behind that creative push, most likely at KGMB at the time, which IIRC was the CBS sister ship under the tutelage of old Cec Heftel. Now mind you I'm recollecting all this from personal memory, plus certain stories I heard over the years, and no doubt a thing or two I've run across in print or the net along the way. It's all one mesh now and prone to inaccuracy, particularly by way of smaller details, but *alas* aren't just about all memories?

My recollection was that it was the Ventures backing the commercials since the sound seemed more guitar oriented than that of the CBS orchestra version, but if you have a definitive source to cite, let me see it.

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Second, Rowan/Martin was on Monday nights, so that point is still mute.


Auntie, surely you know know that there's a difference between mute and moot, no? Remember you put me back in class, so set a good example or you get me all da kine mixed up. Now I have no way of checking this, my recollection was that it was M&R Laugh-in that was creating the heat. But I'll gladly give you this one if you have a 60's TV guide, or perhaps some site on the net that provides unassailable details.

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Five-0 aired Thursdays at 8pm-opposite "The Flying Nun"& "Bewitched" on ABC. "Daniel Boone" and "Ironside" on NBC and the Five-0 lead-in on CBS? "Blondie"??!!...can you say ratings killer? Five-0 then moves to 10pm Wednesday and crushes the competition...its lead-in(don't Laugh) "Green Acres"!



Well I can tell this can't all be from memory, so you must have some sort of crib or cheat sheet (or site) you're referencing -- but if this was indeed the case, then Bewitched alone could easily have put on the cabash. Wouldn't the original Darren still have been around, the one named York? If so, it was still kicking butt (okole - but with love - for you auntie). That show was quite popular by then, on both the mainland and islands, and for sure it would have had a number of seasons under its belt by '68.

I also recall it was at the earlier time slot for quite a while early on (thru 1968?), but was basically redlining. Now here's another odd thing -- I don't recall it moving up to 10pm back then (on Oahu anyway), more like 9pm. If it really went to 10pm, sheez my folks were pretty cool then, at least during that first season, as I thought 10pm was my turn in time in those days. I know I would have been 13 (14?) when it first aired, so maybe it was 11pm for me already. [Only tv excitement that matched that premier back in those days was the Monkees show when they came out a few years earlier, and of course Batman. Holy Batmobile!! ]. Also the islands had this thing called "tape delay" so I'm not sure how perfectly synced islanders are/were with the mainland schedule - but I know it wasn't in "real time" 40 years ago (probably still hasn't changed).

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Third,(which relates to the time slot)there is a little something the networks do called "Demographic Analysis" and the most important demo are women between 18-34(many mothers with kids too)
Now maybe you had a late bedtime, but when surveyed, this vital group said that once the kids were in bed, this 10pm time slot was all theirs to escape to the Islands with lush scenery, steel-jawed Jack Lord, suspense, danger, etc. The show didn't stay in the 10pm-11pm time slot for good but it truly gave it the kick it needed.



Well here Tutu is where we disagree. Back in the 60's, such a demographic - especially "women between 18-34 (many mothers with kids too)" - would not have had the importance that it would have say circa the 1980's and beyond, when divorces - and that gender class you're pointing to - became much more numerous and thus important (important = targeted). I knew of NO one where we lived that - based on my classmates + friends - who were not tuning in to catch McGarrett & Co. Then again, maybe it was an island thing [see "My Hawaii" reference from earlier]. So kindly point me to this network demo analysis you keep making reference of, especially as it applied back then and to the show (or wherever you're getting this).

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But the ventures theme impact? Not so much.



And here Auntie is where you miss da boat altogether. Beyond hearing it on the radio with my own two ears - do keep in mind Mort Stevens and the CBS orchestra never produced a hit with their own magnificent version - it only stands to reason that Leonard Freeman, Jack Lord and Mort Stevens himself toasted the Ventures every time they heard that cover being splashed all over the radio waves as it climbed to nearly the top of the charts. [in Hawaii it topped the local ones]. How often does ANY struggling TV show get that kind of additional plugging, complete with the kind of super promo that that 1 minute opening sequence (segue) provided on TV? You could only call that manna from heaven (er, manapua from heaven just for you tutu).

Beyond that fortuity, it was a crossover theme, both Stevens original composition and the Ventures cover, meaning it was being aired all over the place, not just per the coconut wireless (J. Akuhead) and KGU (for the MOR folks, c/o Ted Sax et al), but also KPOI and KORL and KKUA [probably KIKI too]. I remember Uncle Tom Moffatt spinning it up repeatedly! [just as I'm sure folks like Steven B. Williams, Michael W. Perry, Jim Peters, Leilani McCoy, etc were too - don't think Lee Baby Simms was around yet ]. So no auntie, it only stands to reason having a Top Ten radio hit of a new show's musical theme coming out concurrently as it looks to win over new viewers would be considered a godsend in the entertainment world, then AND now.

Now ask yourself, how often does this typically (or ever) happen?

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To be clear, I love both versions of the Five-0 theme and fuzzy memory asside, I like your spirit.



Well Tutu, with all respect, you keep saying you love both versions, and maybe you do, but I keep sensing a backhand swipe whenever the Ventures - and their due credit in this regard - gets mentioned. You do realize I was picking up where others left off on this "theme" in this thread, right? That I wasn't the first to cite the Ventures impact in this regard, coupled with the show's eye-grabbing opening segue (with that rivoting monster swell from Waimea or Pipeline, still not 100% sure), not just here at da Tiki but elsewhere also. You did go back and read the entire thread just to check, right? [meaning others must "covet" them likewise, that is, c/o Tiki Central]

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Understand I'm just having a lil fun with you. Now get back to your band. Aloha



Just like when I was younga Tutu, always by da ear (auwe). As for the Ventures, being a surfer boy, sure I consider them among the classics. The additional "Beethoven Five-O" plug was for obvious and fitting reasons [*Five-O* [hint hint] a la Beethoven, get it?] But truth be known, I'd take a good number of bands over them -- so don't get me started on the Moody Blues, or Alan Parsons Project, or Fleetwood Mac, or It's A Beautiful Day, or Allman Brothers, or even the Beamer Bros.. well you get my drift [not to overlook memories of the Civic Center, HIC (Clapton + Yvonne Elliman together!), Waikiki Shell, let's add Espinda's Lanai Theater down with da used cars on Kalakaua for good measure he he... shaka + RIP Lippy! ... the Canoe Hut by the airport for after work kaukau with da kine chicken wings and frosty draft ... don't get me going auntie.]

Eh auntie no forget, tutu = kuuipo not tita. Class over, no moh pilikia, promise. Your loving kolohe Molo

Molo reminding one and all, if you can't beat 'em, at least wear 'em out


 
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Donnabeach
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Posted: 2010-06-14 5:52 pm   Permalink



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molo
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Posted: 2010-06-14 7:05 pm   Permalink

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On 2010-06-14 17:52, Donnabeach wrote:
LOL! "Now mind you I'm recollecting all this from personal memory"-molo

At least you admit that your end is all factless rant. (except the mute part )



Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen babe. A cave-in is just another word for surrender, don't you know. No crib sheets needed here - it's all upstairs, cuz I was there and lived it.

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Like I said, I like your spirit!(and the Ventures too) Aloha!



So disappointing a rejoinder after my last parley, but same aloha nui loa to you child (er, tutu)-- only my deliverance had more tact (beyond basic sense). Come back when you're ready to play or do battle, only, be prepared to be challenged. That's what such exchanges are all about.


 
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martian-tiki
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Posted: 2010-06-14 8:15 pm   Permalink

The Venture Brothers has an awesome theme!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B8Nrw19qEM&feature=related

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Donnabeach
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Posted: 2010-06-14 10:21 pm   Permalink





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molo
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Posted: 2010-06-15 12:00 am   Permalink

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On 2010-06-14 20:15, martian-tiki wrote:
The Venture Brothers has an awesome theme!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B8Nrw19qEM&feature=related


The Ventures ... their 5-O cover of Steven's classic theme ... and the Venture Brothers? Whaa?
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On 2010-06-14 22:21, Donnabeach wrote:

I'm sorry for seeming so smug, molo. You obviously won the debate hands down. I didn't have a chance. Lol! How does that heat/kitchen saying go again? Aloha



If you want to take the high road and engage, then make the effort and apply yourself. I gave you lots to work with by way of counters. If you're looking for an excuse to duck or run-n-hide (or act like a kid), be my guest. Best then to simply agree to disagree. It's much simpler, and definitely less juvenile.

Or is this last post of yours a continuation of the "schooling" you offer?


 
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molo
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Posted: 2010-06-15 03:24 am   Permalink

Hey Donna, I'll give you an easy out to this tit for tat impasse we seem to have reached. In the name of Tiki spirit, I'll take a dose of my own high road medicine first. As it is, we're beginning to trade snipes and little more. All we're giving the gallery is a few cheap laughs, basically at our own expense. That's not why I came here; I doubt it's why you did either. I took a touch of offense at your "schooling' entendre, but in turn you could counter by saying I took "artistic license" in quasi patronizing you like one auntie. Perhaps neither was meant the way the other is taking it, or ultimately interpreted it. Like the old saying goes: wars are easy to start but difficult to stop once initiated. And yet here we are, having taken to the trenches.

So, let's either constructively engage, or simply agree to disagree. You keep scoffing at my recollections like they're meaningless. Why? What's the point in joining such a discourse forum, if not to reminisce and trade what we know (or think we know)? Or do you feel it should just be a matter of the published or net based references you can scrounge up and cite versus the ones I can, with no personal viewpoints or first hand accounts allowed? That's the part I don't get, as I can't imagine anything that would be drier or duller than if such things spun around that exclusionary basis alone.

Also, I asked you to cite where you found or determined a number of things you were claiming, to counter my own *imperfect* recollections (which btw are not based solely on memory, but on everything I have come to know or gather to date on the subject, though I'm anything but an expert). Somehow you seem to have missed that part, or chose to cherry pick past it. So if what you're presenting isn't based on any of your own personal recollection(s), perhaps you can enlighten me/us with some of your sources.

I'd also look forward to your responses to the questions (and that oddity) I posed to you earlier in my "factless rant" but you have yet to answer:

Molo: My recollection was that it was the Ventures backing the commercials since the sound seemed more guitar oriented than that of the CBS orchestra version, but if you have a definitive source to cite, let me see it.

Molo: Now here's another odd thing -- I don't recall it moving up to 10pm back then (on Oahu anyway), more like 9pm. [=> fact or fiction?]

Molo: So kindly point me to this network demo analysis you keep making reference of, especially as it applied back then and to the show (or wherever you're getting this).

Molo: It only stands to reason having a Top Ten radio hit of a new show's musical theme coming out concurrently as it looks to win over new viewers would be considered a godsend in the entertainment world, then AND now. Now ask yourself, how often does this typically (or ever) happen?

Molo: You do realize I was picking up where others left off on this "theme" in this thread, right?

If you simply want to pretend you possess some form of divine knowledge on these things, by not answering anything directly but implying you somehow know better, so be it. You won't have proven anything to anyone, and certainly not to me. If you come back only to nip at my heels, I'm going to ignore you from this point on ("all pau" Hawaiian style), so think well before firing away. I can hold my own at debate, but reminiscing is my first love. If you want to prove me or my memory wrong with any of the above, here's your opportunity, complete with olive branch. You'll be doing me a favor in doing so, as a factualized mind beats a fuzzy one any day.

PS. I'm curious if you live on the Islands, or lived there during the sixties? And no, it doesn't make or break a thing whether you did or not, as most of what we're discussing applies to every part of the country just about equally (Hawaii simply being ground zero). Likewise maybe you have some personal connection to the Stevens or Freeman family but aren't anteing up, or can lay claim to some insider knowledge .. who knows? I'll welcome it if you do.

BTW Everything stated here applies to anyone else who happens to read this and might care to respond, or offer up something new or by way of clarification. I came here to engage and exchange, not troll or nitpick.


 
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Posted: 2010-06-15 11:49 am   Permalink

On the west coast H5O did move to a 10pm time slot, does anyone remember if it was shifted to Friday nights at some point?
Of course other regions & networks in other parts of the country could have shown it at other times.



 
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Donnabeach
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Posted: 2010-06-15 12:12 pm   Permalink





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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Posted: 2010-06-15 12:36 pm   Permalink

Maybe its time to get back on track here, since the topic is the new H5O show & older threads exsist for the classic H5O
even one of mine.
http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=33780&forum=1

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Donnabeach
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Posted: 2010-06-15 12:42 pm   Permalink





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Mongoloid
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Posted: 2010-07-26 10:15 am   Permalink

Good article on the history of the original theme song and the new song.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/features/featuresstories/20100725_timeless_theme.html

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tikiyaki
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Posted: 2010-07-26 10:49 am   Permalink

On a positive note...the guy who's playing Dan-O, is on Entourage this season and he's great. This guy seems to play the wise ass, balbuster, so expect more of that from Dan-O. Not really true to the original, but the guy's a good actor anyway.

 
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