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RevBambooBen
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Posted: 2009-04-06 9:47 pm   Permalink

As Big Bro pointed out in this pic, "the A-Frame in the background"....



... was a swim up TIKI bar/boat up TIKI bar.

The Locals told us it was the Best Lake to "get it on" back in the day.



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Queen Kamehameha
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Posted: 2009-04-07 12:14 pm   Permalink

Went to the california land management site and was able to find some cool info, I will post it in a few days.


Amy


 
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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2009-04-07 3:14 pm   Permalink

Cool guys, can't wait! Didya find out the origin of the now Bagdad Cafe?

 
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RevBambooBen
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Posted: 2009-04-07 8:37 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2009-04-07 15:14, bigbrotiki wrote:
Cool guys, can't wait! Didya find out the origin of the now Bagdad Cafe?



Ummmm... it's on 66. Go check it out! 2.5 hours from LA.

More soon on Lake Lareen.

Quenn K. is Rockin it!!!
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RevBambooBen
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Posted: 2009-04-08 04:59 am   Permalink

NEW LAKES OF THE MOJAVE

A 1966 Travelogue by Slim Barnard

An oasis in the midst of one of America’s most magnificent deserts is springing up around two man-maid lakes in the Mojave, about 190 miles from Los Angeles. Silver Valley, a region rich in the lore of the Old West, now has two new attractions, Lake Kalikoa and Lake Loreen. Kalikoa will be the center of a residential and resort development, and Loreen already is known for its public fishing, picnicking and swimming facilities.

Driving a 1965 Ford Country Sedan, we reached this section of the Mojave Desert via Highway 66. Leaving Los Angeles on the San Bernardino Freeway, we followed U.S. 66 past Barstow to the Needles turnoff. This road goes to Needles through Daggett and Newberry, the latter a small but important point in the desert because of its plentiful water. The wells of Newberry actually supply the water needs of such surrounding communities as Ludlow, Amboy and Essex. As the only source of water between it and the Colorado River, some 100 miles away, Newberry played a key role in the settlement of the desert. Today, its precious water is transported in railroad tank cars, each capable of carrying 10,500 gallons. It is not unusual to see strings of 24 or more tankers waiting on a siding, but trains can be filled with 250,000 gallons of water in three hours.

The road to the lakes is found about a mile beyond Newberry School, and is well marked. The pavement ends a half mile short of the lakes, but the unpaved portion is in good condition. The desert seems to be empty, until the lakes abruptly appear, almost like mirages. Kalikoa is 20 acres, and Lake Loreen covers 34 acres, creating tow large sparkling mirrors of the blue sky. Charles Schreiber, developer of the first lake, showed us the building lots he is preparing, to be know as Kalikoa Estates. We also learned how Lake Loreen gained its lyrical name when Schreiber led us across the road to meet his neighbors. Loreen and Gus Raigosa welcomed us to the recreation area they have carved out of the desert. Both former aircraft employees from El Segundo, the Raigosas bought the lake site on a shoestring, and literally dug it out with a bulldozer.

Their lake is stocked with catfish, bass, bluegill and trout, and they permit fishing for $2.50 per day. The daily limit is 5 trout, 5 catfish, 10 bass and 25 bluegills, but no state angling license is required. Besides fishermen, picnickers and overnight campers are welcomed for 50 cents a person per day. Visitors with boats may launch them but motors of more than 7 ½ horsepower are not allowed. The lakes are in the center of an area of great historical interest. For example, within a few miles are a group of 100-year-old covered wagons, the ruins of an early Army outpost and a one time mining camp.

Pioneer Life

The wagons were bought into the area by Mormon settlers, and today form the nucleus of a youth camp operated by the Baptist Church of Ontario. Each wagon is being fitted to sleep four youngsters, and all are arranged in a semi-circle around a campfire in the traditional night formation of the pioneers’ wagon trains. A few miles farther, the century-old ruins of Fort Cady, one of the early outposts established to protect travelers and settlers, still survive as part of the desert scene. Built by General James B. Carleton, whose California Column cleaned Confederate General H. B. Sibley out of Arizona and New Mexico during the Civil War, the fort was placed near the junction of the San Bernardino-Salt Lake and Santa Fe Trails. It held the unenviable reputation of having the highest number of desertions in the United States Army. The fort was considered to be one of the worst assignments in the Army because of its remoteness and the savagery of the surrounding Indians.

Early Perils

More than 2,000 wagons per year sought its protection before Fort Cady was abandoned in 1870, and archeologists are now probing its ruins for clues to the life once led within its walls. The fort’s sutlers store was located a half mile south on a ranch now owned by Ken Wilhelm. The sutlery, sort of a privately owned PX, was raided many times by the reckless soldiers from the fort. Wilhelm charges visitors $1 per car during winter months, and $1.50 in the summer. Visitors are on the honor system, and may deposit the fee in a can at the gate. The ranch property on the banks of the Mojave River is a pleasant place for picnics and swimming. Frog hunting is also excellent along the river.

Fort Cady also was the shipping point for gold from the mining camp of Alvord, one of the oldest towns of its kind in the West. Alvord boasted its own gold mill, and shipped it out as bullion by stagecoach. Alvord is reached via a dirt road from the highway that leads to Las Vegas. Its three miles are passable in good weather, but should not be attempted within three days following a rain. The first sign of the town is an ancient pump made of huge timbers, and used in the early days to lift water over the top of a mountain to the mine workings. The mine has been owned since 1912 by the Hart, Schafner and Marx clothing interests, and was worked until 1952.

Staying overnight at Lake Loreen, where we enjoyed an excellent Cantonese dinner, we started home the next day via a dividend stop where we could find semi-precious stones. Near the village of Poe, a road marked “Lake Havasu” leads through lava beds to a hillside that is rockhound’s delight. Agate and jasper lie on the ground for the taking, and Dell Woodin, of Lake Loreen, led us to some splendid specimens. As can be seen, the desert is alive with happy things to do and see, making a weekend full of fun and excitement at any time of year.

Motels available at Barstow, 20 miles away at $8 and $10 per night for two.

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Queen K. and I are going back in a month to do some more research.

Keep an eye out!








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RevBambooBen
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Posted: 2009-04-08 05:07 am   Permalink

p.s.

check this one out!!!

http://mojavedeserttrails.com/lakehiri/svworld.htm

Hmmmm....

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RevBambooBen
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Posted: 2009-04-08 05:22 am   Permalink

-----Original Message-----
From: Oceanic Arts <oceanicarts@earthlink.net>
To:
BambooBen@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:54 am
Subject: Lake Loreen


Hi Ben:
This was a project we supplied decor for and LeRoy and I visited the project which never really got a good foothold or prospered. Believe we have photos and a news article on this.
Hope all is going well,
Bob & LeRoy


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Queen Kamehameha
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Posted: 2009-04-08 10:52 am   Permalink

Sven, the Bagdad cafe was called the "sidewinder cafe" it is noted in the article ben posted and on this site:


http://www.bagdadcafe.us
http://www.desertdutch.org/newberry.htm

also this, from another site

"Bagdad Cafe, a movie centering on old Route 66, was filmed in the Newberry Springs area. The Bagdad Cafe located in Newberry Springs is not the original Bagdad Cafe, the original cafe was located in the town of Bagdad between Amboy and Ludlow on old Route 66. Nothing remains of the old cafe in Bagdad. The Newberry Springs cafe is a Route 66 survivor though and was originally known as the Sidewinder Cafe. After the movie was filmed here the name Bagdad Cafe just seemed to stick. It is open for business today serving breakfast, lunch and dinner. If you are coming through the area I would recommend stopping here. Say hi to Andrea Pruett, the proprietor, while you're at it. She has done a great job of keeping the Bagdad Cafe alive for all us Mother Road fans. If you're lucky, maybe General Bob will show up and entertain you with his colorful stories from the past"


Amy



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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2009-04-08 12:04 pm   Permalink

Guys. It is admittedly hard to follow my train of thought sometimes, but:

I know all that, I established it on page two of this thread:

Quote:

On 2009-03-31 20:13, bigbrotiki wrote:
>>There was an actual Bagdad Cafe that existed in the '60s when U.S. Route 66 ran through the town; it (and the town) have since vanished.
The film was shot at what was then the Sidewinder Cafe in Newberry Springs, California, 50 miles west of the original site of Bagdad on old U.S. 66. Since then, the café has become something of a tourist destination, and has changed its name to the Bagdad Café. <<



To clarify how I was lead astray:

The PLANE spells Lake Loreen and Newberry Springs...

....practically in one breath, so I logically assumed the two were CLOSE TOGETHER.

This building (whatever its name!)...

is IN Newberry Springs. I looks decidedly 60s Polynesian, no?

So when Icebear quoted the Desert Magazine April 1966 article (on page 1 of this thread!) with:
" And for the gourmet, there is a little Polynesian restaurant where food rivals that of Bali Hai, on San Diego’s Shelter Island, which inspired this place"
....I thought that THAT might have been the building --which then at some point later became the Sidewinder. NOT!

I simply should have followed Icebear's link to the Desert Magazine Travelogue on page 1 (as we all ), and I would have noticed that the Sidewinder name is mentioned in the same article than that quote, so there's NO WAY the two could have been the same place!

THEN I would have also seen the MAP that shows the distance between Newberry Springs and Lake Loreen:



..and I would have had a visual of the separateness of the two places. I know Ben mentioned that, but that was just a drive-by survey then, right? Now I understand that the town of Newberry Springs has probably nothing to do with the Desert Polynesia at Lake Loreen/Lake Kalikoa. Somebody just wrote that on the plane to mislead me.


 
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Bay Park Buzzy
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Posted: 2009-04-08 12:23 pm   Permalink

Yep! It's as clear as mud now!

So do you think the lake was formed with water from the springs?

I guess I'll go back and refamilarize myself with page 2 of this thread now? Or was it page one? Something about a plane...
Buzzy Out!
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Queen Kamehameha
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Posted: 2009-04-09 6:42 pm   Permalink

Well, the Monday searching was interesting for sure, the place we found wasn't lake Loreen, but a real estate person I spoke with yesterday said there was nothing left of Lake Loreen, but that "gus" who built it had 2 other lake sites with homes that are still active and are nice communities, not Tiki and in Newberry springs

The place we found was built by a dentist who liked lake loreen, so it is similar, here are some pictures, the dry lake you will see is 4 acres and was filled in the 60's when the dentist built it, it has a house on stilts in the middle of the dry lake that was only accessible from a boat. it has numerous trailer hook ups too. we didn't stay too long as it was someones home.








Then we went to the Volcano, where we loaded up on tons of lava rock, which I have been riding around with all week waiting on the weekend. It was a weird and strange place, with rusting abandoned equipment, I would not go there alone, good thing Bamboo, Vicki and the family were there






Amy

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icebaer69
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Posted: 2009-04-10 05:14 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2009-04-09 18:42, Queen Kamehameha wrote:
... nothing left of Lake Loreen ...
... dry lake ... is 4 acres ... was filled in the 60's ...
... it has a house on stilts in the middle of the dry lake
that was only accessible from a boat ...






that´s crazy - maybe in some dozen years las vegas has the same fate
when the water is gone ?


 
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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2009-04-10 11:15 am   Permalink

That's kinda what I expected: A smaller version of the Salton Sea dream that dried up. Sooo...Benster... is that IT?

 
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Queen Kamehameha
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Posted: 2009-04-10 2:19 pm   Permalink

Sven, I am not Ben, but the woman who I spoke with told me all the lakes are man made and all the homes have wells, so this dry lake could easily be filled if the owner wanted to. The tax to fill a 4 arces lake is about 15.00 plus the maintainence, lots of clay to hold the water, equals lots of $$$

On lake Loreen, it was just abandoned when it didn't work and his other 2 properties took off.

If your ever out that way, its a great drive, to see these lakes and some have bridges and really something out in the middle of no where.


Amy

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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2009-04-10 2:38 pm   Permalink

It's...it's just that he PROMISED :

Quote:

On 2009-04-06 20:37, RevBambooBen wrote:
Drove around Newberry Springs today with Queen K. and the Boo Familia.
THIS PLACE IS TIKI MECCA !!!
Pics soon..........



He made my mouth water, and now it's just full of sand...




 
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