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The Jungle-style Thread - Pop Culture Iconography of the Dark Continent
lucas vigor
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Posted: 2009-12-03 07:26 am   Permalink

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On 2009-12-03 00:31, Mister Naufrago wrote:
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On 2009-12-02 12:46, lucas vigor wrote:
Mr. Naufrago, are you from Spain?

My father was born in Andalucia.



Sí paisano.
My grandparents left the country and I was born and spent my chilhood in Venezuela.
The family returned to Spain after el Generalisimo death.

You should visit Andalucia some day.
The weather is great, beaches, surf, lots of Tiki and even ocasional earthquakes.
Just like in California.






That's cool! My family was very anti-Franco...actually, my great grandfather was assasinated by his thugs, right in front of the house. (he was a minor politician)..

I have been there, but not recently. It's on my radar to go back within a few years. One of my cousins clued me in that there is a lot of Tiki in Spain.


 
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JOHN-O
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Posted: 2009-12-03 07:45 am   Permalink

Muy bueno, Senor Naufrago !! Los Banana Splits es muy magnifico.

BigBro, would it be possible that the most famous shield and spears in Tiki iconography might have been "African" ?



I'm sure the native Polynesians carried such things but did Tiki-style include weapons that were uniquely Oceanic? I always assumed these items were part of the African Pop Primitism cross-over. Uga Booga natives were always chasing the white expeditions with spear and shield in hand.



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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2009-12-03 09:07 am   Permalink

Good point, that sign! Totally had zoned that out. Well, it ain't from Rapa Nui.

BUT, as mentioned above, the South Seas/African melange was much easier to justify (not that anybody cared) with the participation of the Oceanic tribes of Melanesia, which certainly used spears and shields.

Now that you reminded me, quite a few Tiki Temple signs incorporated warriors shields, like the classic triple/quadruple shield sign that was used for the Kon Tiki Tuscon, the Leilani Wisconsin, and a Tradewinds Motel. There was a link here bout that somewhere...

Here is one of my personal faves:


 
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JOHN-O
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Posted: 2009-12-03 11:46 am   Permalink

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On 2009-12-03 09:07, bigbrotiki wrote:

BUT, as mentioned above, the South Seas/African melange was much easier to justify (not that anybody cared) with the participation of the Oceanic tribes of Melanesia, which certainly used spears and shields.




Yeah but were the designers of those Tiki bars and restaurants even aware of the Oceanic tribes of Melanesia? What's the pop cultural reference point? I'm sure most people in the 1950's had seen "King Kong" and those Uga Booga natives running around on that tropical jungle island (with shield and spear in hand). "King Kong" was a hugely successful and influential film that might have cemented this stereotypical blueprint for decades to come.

I wanna see a picture of King Kong in your next book.

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JOHN-O
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Posted: 2009-12-04 12:00 pm   Permalink

More 1930's Pre-Tiki Jungle Madness....




 
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Hakalugi
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Posted: 2009-12-04 12:42 pm   Permalink

Ingagi has King Kong beat by three years (1930 vs. 1933).

From IMDB: Igagi plot;
An expedition enters an area of the Congo jungle to investigate reports of a gorilla-worshipping tribe. After many dangerous adventures, they come upon the tribe they sought, only to watch as a virgin is sacrificed to a huge gorilla, who takes her away. The expedition follows the gorilla in an attempt to save the woman.

However, I'm sure King Kong was seen by way more people.


 
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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2009-12-04 12:52 pm   Permalink

Yes, in terms of pop culture impact and influence, King Kong was it. Something tells me though that the makers of "INGAGI" might have tried to sue the KING KONG producers...

 
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JOHN-O
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Posted: 2009-12-04 1:37 pm   Permalink



Check out BigBro's shirt.

Proof positive that African Pop Primitism is the key to unleashing your inner Tarzan sex appeal.

Forget, Tiki-style. If you wanna get lucky with the wahines then go Jungle-style !!


 
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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2009-12-04 1:56 pm   Permalink

Nononono....it's not that easy:

Papua New Guinea shields = South Sea artifacts = part of Tiki style --NOT Jungle style.


 
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JOHN-O
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Posted: 2009-12-04 3:33 pm   Permalink

My bad. I thought those were Zulu shields.

Hmmm... Melanesian, huh? The term Poly-Pop might not be inclusive enough.

Oceanic Pop, anyone ??


 
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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2009-12-04 6:16 pm   Permalink

Yeah right, John, that's SUCH a buzzword, it'll stick with everybody long after "Polynesian pop" is forgotten!

Stop trying to rewrite history. Polynesian pop is called that because at least 3/4 of the imagery used in it is from Polynesia (or it SHOULD be), and 100% of its inspiration and motivation came from Polynesia. The few exceptions just prove the rule.


 
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JOHN-O
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Posted: 2009-12-04 7:43 pm   Permalink

I'm not trying to rewrite history BigBro, I'm just engaging in some internet philosophizing (and kidding around).

Dude, I'm one of your best Tiki students and I want to explore the other "25%" of Poly-Pop (and related fun stuff) that doesn't get as much discussion around here. I take your work very seriously.

TC should be more that just a message board for party notices, pictures of dirty cocktail napkins, people asking the same question over and over, and one sentence posts. I'm just trying to add some variety here.

Anyway, I think it's time to get back to the cheesecake. Everyone seems to like that.

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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Posted: 2009-12-04 8:25 pm   Permalink

By your command John-O.........just had my finger on the trgger for a few days now!





I think many people forget that Tiki culture is meant to be FUN!



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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2009-12-04 9:36 pm   Permalink

John-O, I totally agree. I am indeed grateful for your continued posting and probing, and I have followed you down this path gladly -up to a point! And then, when it gets TOO ridiculous, you get the stick.

But really, thank you for your mostly intelligent, sometimes a little off incentives to engage in intelligent conversation about this ridiculously unimportant topic we call Tiki. You have made me re-think, or re-assert stuff I had taken for granted.


 
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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2009-12-04 9:47 pm   Permalink

Oh A.T. Punk, why did you have to do that. Unfortunately, our Betty has become a cliche of a cliche, and only elicits a tepid yawn from the ephemera seeker. Tiki CentraL is about pop culture ARCHEOLOGY, the hunt for and discovery of never before glimpsed visual treasures and rarefied imagery previously unknown to the masses!

 
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