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What's "Cooking" in Tiki Central?
amybean
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Joined: Nov 22, 2009
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From: Alameda, CA
Posted: 2010-10-07 3:29 pm   Permalink

I'd like to see that recipe, ATP!

When I said I was leaving, I meant leaving the conversation w/MaiTai.
Cooking is high drama enough!


 
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Tom Slick
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Joined: Aug 26, 2005
Posts: 1092
From: The Beaches of South Bay, SoCal
Posted: 2010-10-07 4:33 pm   Permalink

Hi everybody. I stumbled on this thread, read through nearly all 78 pages because I had nothing better to do, and towards the end I read what people had to say in opinion about what tiki food is or isn't. As much as most of the food looks great and made me hungry, the title of this topic is deceiving.

I had expected to see nothing more than Polynesian-infused food and drink ideas, but I've seen more Mexican, Italian, Greek, and Middle Eastern dishes than anything nearly qualifying as 'tiki dinner' or fare. Tiki food invokes visions of exotic fruits and marinated meats to almost anyone you would ask on or off the street.

What does eating home cooked Pizza or Hamburgers have to do with tiki dinner?
In fact, what is a tiki dinner, if the plate doesn't consist of a tropical recipe, exotic ingredients like papaya, mango, pineaple, or carrots and potatoes carved into little tiki heads to make this thread live up to its own title?

The thread did turn into nothing more than a 'foodie' thread, with minimal
'poly-asian' influence. Salads with tomatoes and feta cheese is not a tiki style dinner. If you cannot figure that out, maybe you need to be on the foodnetwork.com's forums. Not trying to come off crass or before someone else throws the word around "Tiki elitist", but let me just say I'm using my given common sense.

Granted, there are some awesome tropically infused and 'tiki inspired' food that some of you had posted within the thread, but most are of daily non-tropical/non-hawaiian/non-exotic/non-tiki grinds. Smoked salmon is just that, smoked fish. Just as a Carne Asada burrito is...well, Mexican or south of the border fare.
Now if either were marinated in teriyaki sauce topped with a mango/pineapple salsa, I could see the connection with the words tiki and dinner. However, it seems that everyone got derailed on just plain old "What did you eat for dinner?"

I'm not trying to kill anyones buzz, or 'good time'. As stated before, this thread is cool and some of you look like you could be 'Le Cordon Bleu' chefs. But 90% of it isn't polynesian or tiki. For every 1 exotic plate or drink posted, there are about 10 non-exotic plates. I read corndogs somewhere...Really? It should be battered in a coconut flaked flour, and have a pineapple-macadamia nut with chili Purée to top it!
The title is misleading when you first discover it browsing TC.

Just my two sense....

(and photoshopping pineapples and drink umbrellas on to standard fare is funny(really), but it still doesn't change the fact.)




 
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Mai Tai
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Joined: Mar 21, 2004
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From: Exotic Isle of Alameda
Posted: 2010-10-07 5:00 pm   Permalink

Thanks, Tom! I'll post more later when I have time, but glad to see I'm not the only one left around here who feels this way.
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Tom Slick
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From: The Beaches of South Bay, SoCal
Posted: 2010-10-07 5:21 pm   Permalink

No need for thanks Bill, I would just like people to understand a plain steak doesn't meet tiki dinner criteria, just as a corndog isn't tiki fare, unless it is artistically transformed into one either by ingredients used, or by detail. It is still County Fair fare.

 
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Hakalugi
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From: Redondo Beach, CA
Posted: 2010-10-07 5:24 pm   Permalink

I think Tom said it well. I also see that ATP changed the title of the thread to "What did you "Make" for Tiki Dinner".

Maybe now that the title has been changed, a little more 'on topic' discretion will be applied to the posted meals.

More Tiki please.


 
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bigbrotiki
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
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From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
Posted: 2010-10-07 5:42 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2010-10-07 17:21, Tom Slick wrote:
No need for thanks Bill, I would just like people to understand a plain steak doesn't meet tiki dinner criteria, just as a corndog isn't tiki fare, unless it is artistically transformed into one either by ingredients used, or by detail. It is still County Fair fare.



Comme ca?:



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amybean
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Joined: Nov 22, 2009
Posts: 434
From: Alameda, CA
Posted: 2010-10-07 5:58 pm   Permalink

Babalu and bigbrotiki that frank is really something, and a welcome comment in a silly situation. Thank you for that.



 
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JOHN-O
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Joined: May 16, 2008
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From: Dogtown, USA
Posted: 2010-10-07 6:04 pm   Permalink

The Bigbro has posted on this thread.

It's been validated...

It's been blessed...

It's been confirmed...

It's Tiki !!

Also that hot dog gives me an idea for some cool Tiki tattooing.


 
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Sabu The Coconut Boy
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From: Carson, California
Posted: 2010-10-07 6:12 pm   Permalink

I have less of a problem with this thread than other folks. And this coming from someone who gets quite militant about other forum violations.

At the risk of justifying my reasons, here are my justifications:

I've always interpreted this thread more as a "What are Tiki folks eating for Dinner?" thread than a "What Tiki Food Did You Make For Dinner?" thread. In other words, what does a tiki-centric population who like rum cocktails with their food, tend to cook. There is a similar thread over in Music, called "What Are You Listening to Right Now" (
http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=37902&forum=11&31). It has very little to do with tiki music, but it gives an insight into what an outsider, eccentric, intelligent crowd of tikiphiles listens too on a daily basis - which is probably quite different from what folks listen to over on Parrothead Central. Similarly this thread often (not always) gives insight into what epicurians we tiki folks are and usually makes me hungry for a mai tai.

Q - "Why is this any different than a non-Tiki thread in Locating Tiki or Creating Tiki that get's kicked to Bilge?"

A - Because this thread is a single thread where folks "Pile On" and add to the end. Same with the "What Are You Listening To" thread in Music. If this forum were cluttered with individual threads titled "Look at this Tiki Apple Pie I cooked for Dinner" then I would have a problem. If you author a thread that is exclusively about you and what you made, then you are setting yourself up to be judged on "Tikiness". However this thread and the "What Are You Listening to.." thread started out pretty tiki, but the blurring came as folks jumped on and the topic morphed into something that it wasn't originally intended to be, but which I find enough tiki-value in, to let stay.

"Tiki Finds" in the Collecting forum is similar. It is a "Pile-on" thread and every week someone posts a find that is not remotely tiki but is "cool", and they photograph it along side a tiki mug for validation, and we let it slide. If it weren't for the "Beyond Tiki Finds" thread over in Beyond Tiki, I think it would be a much bigger issue.

I'm willing to live and let live for the enjoyment of the folks who really love this thread. Same with the one in Tiki Music. These seem to be single exceptions that fudge the edges of the rules a bit, as opposed to myriad off-topic threads that clutter up a forum and need to be weeded out without mercy.

If we kick this thread over to "Bilge" or "Beyond Tiki" it will probably die, as it has less to do with those two forums than it does with this "Food & Drink" forum.

This however is just my opinion and, like I said, I may be justifying my own preferences.

Sabu



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Hakalugi
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From: Redondo Beach, CA
Posted: 2010-10-07 6:28 pm   Permalink

I agree about not moving this thread to Bilge or Beyond. But I also agree that having more "Tiki" food is always a good thing.



 
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Joined: Jul 19, 2009
Posts: 7048
From: Costa Misery
Posted: 2010-10-07 6:29 pm   Permalink

Hello all,

The title change is a Temporary one (of a rebellious nature) and can be misleading to a newbie on the food thread
Tom,you have been around for awhile,come on now, but I shall change it, Hakalugi has deemed it and he is the man.
Still the word Tiki was only added to the Thread subject less then 12 hours ago,that was fast!

Sven your Hotdog rocks!
Sabu is wise,heed his words....
Still don't piss off Amybean,she will take you out!

I would like to address Tom in a separate post and will do so after I adjust the thread title.




 
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ErkNoLikeFire
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Joined: Aug 07, 2010
Posts: 434
From: Michigan
Posted: 2010-10-07 7:06 pm   Permalink

Now what is wrong with a corndog? It's something I created for kids at a bbq since poi and roast pig are not the first things children want to eat. It was a way for them to have fun with the food and still feel like they were participating. And it happens to be pretty tasty to us big kids too. It contains ingredients that are related to what could be construed as "tiki" fair. Maybe I'm a bit thin skinned since I've been fighting a cold for a few days now, but is there an argument taking place pertaining to what food talk is permissible in a food related post? Granted this all began as an exchange of tiki related dishes, but like all good discussions, has opened up to encompass food related chat by fellow tiki centric folks, and what better way is there to get to know others then a friendly discourse? Let's please keep it that way.
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SuperEight
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Joined: Oct 16, 2004
Posts: 270
From: Palo Alto
Posted: 2010-10-07 7:11 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2010-10-07 17:42, bigbrotiki wrote:
Quote:

On 2010-10-07 17:21, Tom Slick wrote:
No need for thanks Bill, I would just like people to understand a plain steak doesn't meet tiki dinner criteria, just as a corndog isn't tiki fare, unless it is artistically transformed into one either by ingredients used, or by detail. It is still County Fair fare.



Comme ca?:



An unforgettable Babalu classic! Maybe the beginning of a new thread?: Tiki Food Carving

I really have to take issue with calling this frankfurter "Tiki". The casing of the dog is clearly Asian which I feel places it into the "Post-Tiki" category. I am just trying to maintain the integrity of this thread. Sigh.





 
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bigbrotiki
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 11588
From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
Posted: 2010-10-07 7:35 pm   Permalink

OK, I wasn't gonna say anything, because with all the genres of Tiki that I am into, food is the farthest thing from my mind. And I don't wanna open a "Tiki food is all fake anyway - and so is Tiki - so there is no Tiki food - so it's a free-for-all" discussion. But why is it that, whenever someone (which often, but not always is myself) speaks up for keeping things Tiki-related, do folks have to play the "It's supposed to be fun" card, throwing in the "Don't be a Tiki Nazi" ace for good measure (I am excluding well thought out replies like Sabu's here). It's so pointless.
All I have to say to this is: This is Tiki CENTRAL, not a Tupperware party.

This just to make clear that my Tiki Hot Dog was not meant to dilute a valid discussion with silly jokes, an often attempted technique here. BUT, this said:

Quote:

On 2010-10-07 18:04, JOHN-O wrote:
Also that hot dog gives me an idea for some cool Tiki tattooing.



Don't do it, John-O! DON'T do it!!!


 
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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From: Costa Misery
Posted: 2010-10-07 8:25 pm   Permalink

Name change has been completed,does anyone have a problem with it?

So we can skip over that issue now, now let me address Tom Slick's post.
Tom,Thanks for joining in,I hope you read my previous posts on what is a "Tiki meal" above.
please add any comments you might have regarding any of my opinions.

Fact is this is not a literal "Tiki Meal" thread, if it was it would have maybe 20 or 30 posts at the max.
So I kept it to a General Thread on what Tiki Centralites are cooking up,including Tiki-centric meals to keep it alive for awhile.

But this thread has been targeted directly in fun or seriously by those who think it should not be here
which I disagree with of course.I do find it very funny that the current sentiments that Tiki Central has become watered down
has come to a head right here on my little thread?

Still Tom has an idea of what is considered "Tiki" Food, so Tom ,you say and I quote:

"In fact, what is a tiki dinner, if the plate doesn't consist of a tropical recipe, exotic ingredients like papaya, mango, pineapple, or carrots and potatoes carved into little tiki heads to make this thread live up to its own title? "

Sounds like a menu from a typical "Hawaiian Restaurant" sure that fits in with the standard expectation of Tiki food,(I am getting Hungry!)
So if the meal does not have any tropical fruits or nuts in it, its not Tiki? at least you are the first person here who has stated the criteria needed to be a Tiki designated meal,so far.

A ATP quote from a short while ago:
"If you where sitting in any number of Tiki-bars or restaurants 50 years ago,you could be eating a steak,chicken,a curry dish,Sushi,
any type of Asian dish,egg rolls and what not"

Fact: Most Mid-Century Tiki Bars & Restaurants were "Traditional Chinese Restaurants" food-wise, Egg rolls,Fried Rice etc.
they had Tropical Cocktails & Tiki decor,but the food was all American style Chinese food.
Others were Steak Houses with Tiki decor & Cocktails, some were Sushi and Tiki Cocktails
I have a Trader Vic's San Francisco Menu from the 50s that is all "Indian" Food.

I believe that "Hawaiian food" did not really show up til the late 60s thru 70s do to a popularity of "Hawaiian Restaurants" at that time
unless you actually went to Hawaii,correct me if I am wrong here, Sven,Sabu?

I know this,as my family used to drag me to Tiki Restaurants all threw the 1960s,Talking first hand experience here!
The key word here is Exotic food,not Tropical food as many might assume.

So my Idea of Tiki Food is much more varied then just "Tropical" inspired food
and that includes all kinds of Asian,Indian,Island (including the Caribbean) foods and even a Steak too,Hey I think my "Island Burger" is Tiki!

And now that we have new fusions of Mexican & Asian,Korean & Vietnamese foods etc. we may have to include that to a Tiki menu of the 21st century.

So lighten the Hell Up! everyone!!! I rest my case......








 
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