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What's "Cooking" in Tiki Central?
amybean
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Joined: Nov 22, 2009
Posts: 434
From: Alameda, CA
Posted: 2010-10-08 1:18 pm   Permalink

I was momentarily concerned that next I would be busted for my not very tiki name...whew!

I want to talk about the attire thing as well. Couldn't find a specific wardrobe thread, so I posed a burning question
(see how I tied that to Cooking?) over here:

http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=36462&forum=1&9

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bigbrotiki
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 11586
From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
Posted: 2010-10-08 1:50 pm   Permalink

Oh boy, playing that ol' "Tiki Nazi" card again...

Look folks, all that was basically said here is that on a website called Tiki Central, ideally things should stay "Tiki" in their theme!
And now we are are seeing pages of justifications why that should NOT be so? Mind-boggling.

MAYBE the intention to keep things on track could have been communicated a little gentler, agreed...but in the end, it all does not change the fact that there's nothing Tiki about Mexican food or corn dogs, period!


 
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Joined: Jul 19, 2009
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From: Costa Misery
Posted: 2010-10-08 2:15 pm   Permalink

Agreed Sven, I did not clarify myself and did not mean to say that all the food posted in this thread is "Tiki Food"
but now that we know that others ideas of what should fit into that category has been misrepresented,at least we have expanded
on the criteria of what can be considered "Tiki Cuisine"

But it is us,who's "Art" is "Cooking" that will define it today.


 
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bigbrotiki
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From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
Posted: 2010-10-08 2:25 pm   Permalink

Indeed, well said. And you really made my mouth water with that Char Siu Chinese Barbecued Pork & Pineapple Coconut Rice photo, that IS a piece of art!

 
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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From: Costa Misery
Posted: 2010-10-08 2:28 pm   Permalink

Thank's Sven!

 
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Mr. NoNaMe
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Posted: 2010-10-08 2:50 pm   Permalink

Is a panini tiki?

If it is made with King's Hawaiian buns, ham, teryaki sauce, green onions and grilled pineapple slices it is.

Yummy lunch.


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Mai Tai
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Joined: Mar 21, 2004
Posts: 1437
From: Exotic Isle of Alameda
Posted: 2010-10-08 3:35 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2010-10-08 12:40, Atomic Tiki Punk wrote:
Thank you Sven! I have been arguing those exact points for sometime now and to much resistance
to the facts.

Today's Tiki Culture is what we make it, Lets honor the traditions and history,but don't tell me we can't make better food & Drinks
I love my Hawaiian Shirts,but I wear a vintage suit now & then to honor the past,we can have the best of both worlds!

To those intolerant few who thought we should not even be here,or at the very least try to dictate what kind of food should be here
on this humble thread, do some legwork & get your fact's straight.
Then get a Mai Tai and loosen the hell up.


So that's obviously directed at me. As are your postings of and PM's of "You're wrong, since you haven't come up with an argument or debate to disprove me".

I want to be very careful with my tone here, and spell out my thoughts and intentions, as things can easily get distorted through internet communication, and downward spirals develop from there.

In a nice, respectful tone, I disagree that Sven is agreeing and validating your point of view. And even though I feel that historically "Tiki Food" is hard to define, I refuse to get into a circular logic reasoning loop of "since there's really no such thing as tiki food, then anything can be tiki food" or "since tiki food is not definable then anything can be tiki food", or "since those tiki establishments served basically anything, then anything can be tiki food". (And because I refuse to debate about it doesn't mean that either one of us is right or wrong, or that one person "wins"). We have demerara rum, a key staple ingredient in many tiki drinks, that is manufactured in Canada, does that make Canada tiki? How about the Canadians that distill and manufacture it? Do rums from Belize or Mexico make those places tiki? One could argue that since next year's Tiki Oasis theme is "South Of The Border", therefore Mexico is tiki. Witco carved conquistador stuff, is that reaffirmation that all Latin items are tiki? What about viking ships? They're kind of similar to the Kon Tiki? What about a Witco Globe? Tiki is on the face of planet earth, is it not? Hey, wait, so is Jimmy Buffett! Is he tiki, too?

Trader Vic's makes a burger. It's one of my favorite things to order on the menu! Sometimes Midnite and I go to Vic's for lunch just to have the burger. Is it Tiki? In my opinion, no, because it's a burger. What about if it was cooked in the chinese ovens? Still no. In the same vein, I feel that nine out of ten items in this thread aren't tiki, in that they don't smack of some type of "exotic flair", whether Mid-Century, Tiki-Revivalist, or some brand new interpretation of Poly-Asian. To me, the philly cheesesteaks, huevos rancheros, holiday cookies, etc, lack that certain kind of "exotic flair". Again, I say that in a friendly, respectful tone. I'm not having a meltdown over it, and I'm not losing any sleep over it. And I'm not posting over and over and over how "other" people can't seem to let it go because they don't agree with my point of view.

Which brings up another interesting point. It appears that things are all great and fun and games, until someone disagrees with you. Didn't you and Boris get into it
over in Bilge over this fact? And wasn't it about this particular food thread?

Quote:

On 2010-10-02 23:15, Bora Boris wrote:
Yes, it's all about Fun until someone makes a little Fun of your very popular and going strong Food post, then it's not as much Fun until you remind us that it is Fun. Is this correct? Because that's what it sounds like.



Again, in a nice respectful tone, because I feel that corn dogs, tacos, and huevos rancheros aren't tiki, does that make me a tiki nazi? Or Tiki Fonzie? 'Cause I'm just too Kool for Tiki School? I don't think so. You and/or amybean might feel differently. If so, then so be it. It's a free country, everyone's entitled to their opinion. I even received a PM from a moderator here, saying that they think it sucks that people are having meltdowns and I'm getting hate mail just because I requested that a thread be moved to Beyond Tiki or to Bilge. It also makes me a little sad to think that a few people might think that I'm some harsh tiki overlord, because I most definitely am not. But I'm not going to cry about it, 'cause hey, Fonzie don't cry!

So, lastly, in a friendly, respectful tone, especially to amybean, I've apologized for using harsh language, both here on the thread, and to her in a pm, and offered to talk story over drinks at FI. What else can I do, give a pound of tiki flesh? (Mmmmmmmm, tiki flesh - it's what all good zombies eat at Halloween time!). I would like to see the hate mail and the constant innuendos of being an uptight tiki nazi stop. We're adults, right? And can handle things in an adult manner, right? And at worst case agree to disagree, right? Even though there's an academic side to this website, it's still supposed to be fun. I've let this issue go, and I think we all should let it go, because I don't want to cause some kind of shouting match that is going to cause a downward spiral, and ends up getting this thread permamently locked. Now back to our regular scheduled program.

Quote:

On 2010-10-08 14:25, bigbrotiki wrote:
And you really made my mouth water with that Char Siu Chinese Barbecued Pork & Pineapple Coconut Rice photo, that IS a piece of art!


Wholeheartedly agreed! I hope that you'll cook some of that up for me sometime, my friend!
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amybean
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Joined: Nov 22, 2009
Posts: 434
From: Alameda, CA
Posted: 2010-10-08 4:31 pm   Permalink

Sure, Mai Tai, whatever.

Your desire to change the thread could have been handled in 1 or 2 posts, not days of dramatic output.
You behaved as though we were naughty children ruining the website, and you were the Dad coming in to restore order and issue punishment.

I'm sorry that this thread offended you and I hope you don't mind that I'd like to get back to work on the 2 tikis I'm carving.

I look forward to enjoying the food you post.


 
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Mr. NoNaMe
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Joined: May 10, 2006
Posts: 1919
Posted: 2010-10-08 6:38 pm   Permalink

O.K. So, no love for the pua'a hamenini. Fine. I wont share the recipe.




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Tom Slick
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Joined: Aug 26, 2005
Posts: 1092
From: The Beaches of South Bay, SoCal
Posted: 2010-10-08 7:46 pm   Permalink

Those look really good, NoName! I love panini, and this version looks delish!

 
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Joined: Jul 19, 2009
Posts: 7048
From: Costa Misery
Posted: 2010-10-08 8:11 pm   Permalink

I just showed up,Oh boy.....
Mr NoNaMe the Hamenini is wonderfully creative and Tiki too,so how did it taste? because I think you are on to something.

Mai Tai,Thank you for the Olive Branch, my PM to you should not have been construed as any sort of attack (facetious ribbing Yes! most certainly)

I am sorry, but your point of view was actually refuted with empirical evidence (The Best Kind!)
just read my prior posts for my arguments,so no need to repeat here.

also at no time did anyone say our entire thread was all (Tiki Cuisine) despite the goofing around the last couple of days
which was a direct reaction to not just your post,but a few like minded posts outside of our thread, That I retorted to.

Just so you now why you got the reaction,that you did,let me explain
This thread consists of a group of people that like to cook (create) which by nature is a "Tactile & Sensory" act, an emotional based
activity that makes us passionate about what we do.

I think this makes for a stronger bond then say,The Tiki Jeep thread.
And which most certainly appeals to the many,many people who visit this thread, oh! and of course the "food",what sane person doesn't like food?

I know you have other ideas,but you just don't show up at someones house, Then tell them that what they "like" or "believe" is not important
and piss in the pool and kick the cat on the way out!

I would say that's very Bad Manners!

Mai Tai Quote:
"I have no fucking idea how this, or the majority of the posts on this thread is Tiki, but due to popular request, here it is. Maybe this thread should be moved to bilge? Or just rename the whole website BilgeCentral.com?"

So yes! your going to bristle some feathers.
I myself am hardwired to rebel against anyone trying to force their point of view on some one else, I don't care what it is.
There is a faction of Tiki Centralites who think Tiki Central is getting diluted etc.
maybe so? but instead of creating more "Traditional" Threads & Content your selves,you go after subjects & thread's you deem unworthy
Then requesting threads get sent to bilge or even locked!

A slash & burn mindset if you will,that I find morally reprehensible!
It is also completely hypocritical

So instead of complaining,why don't you add the kind of content you say is missing,Do it yourself and leave us to enjoy what we
are passionate about?

And that is what I think this "Ragnarok" was all about.

I have avoided being emotional about this til now,so there!
I also would like to say that the regulars here are a great bunch of people,That I would love to sit down and enjoy a great meal with!
Lets get back to Cooking........








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Atomic Tiki Punk
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From: Costa Misery
Posted: 2010-10-08 10:43 pm   Permalink

Hello!
Not a Tiki meal tonight,I have not made in a while or posted here....

Homemade Pesto & Mostaccioli & Rustic Garlic Bread

Making the Pesto...Fresh Basil,Garlic,Pinenuts,crushed Red Pepper & Olive Oil



Toast some Pinenuts...



Saute some marinated Peppers & Artichokes



Making the Rustic Garlic Bread....



Dinner is served.....




 
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WSWahine
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Joined: Jun 26, 2008
Posts: 84
From: My 50's ranch in South Sac
Posted: 2010-10-08 10:52 pm   Permalink

Hey, I'm all for the "let's sit down for a great meal part". Count me in! "If you're cookin, I'm lookin!" Hope to be posting here soon. Thank you all for smoothing that over. It is never nice to argue over a meal....of any kind.

 
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MadDogMike
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Joined: Mar 30, 2008
Posts: 8711
From: The Anvil of the Sun
Posted: 2010-10-09 06:12 am   Permalink

Red Pepper Pesto - YUM!

 
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MadDogMike
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From: The Anvil of the Sun
Posted: 2010-10-09 7:46 pm   Permalink

Maybe it's not cooking but it's definately "tiki"

I took some Spicy Pineapple Rum Pork Loin (no pic) to Tiki-Kate's Farewell Luau. I also took ingredients for "Painkiller Cocktail Sundaes". But the crowd was bigger that I expected and there were a lot of people who wouldn't "get it". So I left it all in the ice chest in the car and brought it back home.


Pineapple Shebert, Coconut Syrup, Rum-Orange Sauce (2/3 orange marmalade & 1/3 Kraken) then sprinkled with Nutmeg. Can't really say it tasted like a Painkiller but it was tasty!


 
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