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Smuggler's Cove - "It's Beyond Tiki" |
Shaun of theTiki
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Posts: 109 |  Posted: 2010-02-02 7:57 pm Permalink
I'd say that the Cove is best described as a pirate bar with a strong tiki element. There are displayed artifacts from Trader Vic's and Don the Beachcomber's, and about a third of the cocktails on the menu are tiki classics, BUT the bar is more dedicated to showcasing rum than tiki history.
I'll keep an eye out for that frozen margarita machine the next time I visit.
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RevBambooBen
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From: Huntikington Beach
| Posted: 2010-02-02 8:34 pm Permalink
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On 2010-02-02 17:05, Jungle Trader wrote:
blah blah blah, Doesn't it say on the website that it's a Nautical Rum Bar? Nuff said.
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Unga Bunga
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From: CaliTikifornia
| Posted: 2010-02-02 11:11 pm Permalink
JOHN-O!
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tikiyaki
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From: The Exotic Port of REDONDO BEACH, CA
| Posted: 2010-02-02 11:35 pm Permalink
I echo the sentiments of JonPaul (we both experienced it for the first time together that past weekend)
My assessment :
Tiki Bar : yes
Nautical Themed Bar : yes
Gourmet Rum cocktail bar : yes - Martin's passion for mixology takes the "tiki cocktail" to a whole other level. One look at the menu, in which each drink gets a full paragraph description, will tell you this. More than decor or aesthetic, The Cove is about mixology.
Pirate Bar : Not as much as , say, The Redwood in downtown LA, but, Pirate maybe because many of the drinks are made with rum. But, pirates drank rum straight outta the bottle. There was no "mixology" in the lore of Pirates...Yo Ho Ho and a barrel of RUM....not Mai Tais.
Buffet : No f*cking way
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JOHN-O
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Joined: May 16, 2008
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From: Dogtown, USA
| Posted: 2010-02-02 11:36 pm Permalink
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On 2010-02-02 23:11, Unga Bunga wrote:
JOHN-O!
Less thinking ~ More drinking
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Yes, wiser words were never spoken. I'm drinking right now. Let me get in this last post for the evening...
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On 2010-02-02 15:55, Sabu The Coconut Boy wrote:
When we refer to the "Buffett-ization of Tiki" we mean the watering-down of tiki...
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Thanks for the clarification Sabu. I was never sure what that meant. I'm not really familiar with Jimmy Buffet or his music but I always figured he must be a very bad person to garner so much so dislike here on TC. 
I always thought that meant he brought along a Caribbean aesthetic which watered down the Polynesian focus of classic Tiki. Given that Smuggler's Cove is name leaning more towards Caribbean history I incorrectly used the term in that context.
Now that I'm sitting here  I can see that the real misunderstanding has to do with the general public's confusion of Nautical-style with Pirate-style.
I blame it on Disney. 
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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From: Costa Misery
| Posted: 2010-02-02 11:57 pm Permalink
So John-O are you drunk posting again?
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JOHN-O
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From: Dogtown, USA
| Posted: 2010-02-03 12:04 am Permalink
I'm not drunk off-shur !!
Dish es my Tiki cul-shur.
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teaKEY
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From: The thumb !
| Posted: 2010-02-03 03:35 am Permalink
I have never even heard of a pirate bar.
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tikiskip
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Joined: Nov 26, 2005
Posts: 2086 | Posted: 2010-02-03 04:50 am Permalink
http://thepirateshouse.com/
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bigbrotiki
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From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
| Posted: 2010-02-03 06:18 am Permalink
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On 2010-02-02 19:57, Shaun of theTiki wrote:
I'd say that the Cove is best described as a pirate bar with a strong tiki element.
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I don't get it, why does "pirate" still enter the discussion? I thought I pointed out above that SMUGGLER is a completely different job description than PIRATE. Or do you remember any smuggling going on in the "Pirates of the Carribean" movies? And this is NOT splitting hairs: This IS a discussion about style concepts and their meaning. Pirate stuff is child's play, the "Smuggler" concept is a much more adult form of ...playing. And it is much more RUM-, and thus Tiki-related.
Just because the media and blogosphere cannot differentiate the meaning of a theme concept does not mean we have to buy into it.
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JOHN-O
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From: Dogtown, USA
| Posted: 2010-02-03 08:28 am Permalink
Bigbro raises a good point, understanding the difference between pirates and traders/smugglers. I wish I understood this better a month ago. It would have prevented a very serious social faux pas.
I was invited to this party in Venice. The place was heavily decorated with a nautical theme and the host was dressed in what I assumed was pirate wear. At first I thought this was pretty weird but hey it was Venice.
After several beers, I jokingly asked the host where his parrot was. He responded "What do you mean parrot?" I said "Don't all pirates have parrots?". He then glared at me with looks to kill and responded:
"I am NOT a pirate. I sir, am a TRADER !!"
I was really confused since I thought he was saying "traitor".
At any rate he was pissed off for the rest of the evening which killed the party. Everyone was mad at me. 
On a lighter note, Caribbean elements can mesh well with Tiki-style. Check out Tawnya serving up the Tropicals at Frankie's Tiki Room. I think she looks pretty hot in that "wench" outfit. (Technically that might be a Bavarian dress but I think you get my point.)
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CucamongaChango
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From: Denver, CO
| Posted: 2010-02-03 09:57 am Permalink
I've read a lot of those same Yelp reviews, and they seem to be by people who are expecting a Disney-like Pirates of the Caribbean ride, and who also seem very upset that they can't get a Bud Light, Appletini, or jell-o shot.
Let them be disappointed and not ever come back.
More room for the rest of us!
As for drinks... the Bombo is soooo good, as is the Three Dots and A Dash... but the real star for me was the Jet Pilot. That thing has so many exquisite layers to it, that it left me pretty speechless.
"Can't talk... drinking."
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tikiyaki
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From: The Exotic Port of REDONDO BEACH, CA
| Posted: 2010-02-03 10:03 am Permalink
TIKI ?
You tell ME....
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JOHN-O
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Posts: 2460
From: Dogtown, USA
| Posted: 2010-02-03 10:24 am Permalink
OK, this discussion is getting old (as is the Trader Vic's thread)
The final consensus on SC is just GO.....
Check out Woofmutt's new thread. Now he's got his priorities right.....
http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=35395&forum=13&1
Can you mock a mocker? Yes, yes you can.
And that guy in the middle in the picture above? He looks like a pirate to me !! Real Tikiphiles should be clean-shaven as was the style during the time. Only beatniks and communists wore beards then.
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Limbo Lizard
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From: Aboard the 'Leaky Tiki', Dallas
| Posted: 2010-02-03 11:25 am Permalink
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On 2010-02-03 06:18, bigbrotiki wrote:
"I don't get it, why does "pirate" still enter the discussion? I thought I pointed out above that SMUGGLER is a completely different job description than PIRATE..."
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Rum-running,
From Wikipedia, so it's got to be true!
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"It wasn't long after the first taxes on alcoholic beverages that someone began to smuggle them . . . Pirates often made extra money running rum to heavily taxed colonies."
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