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Jungle Trader
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Joined: Jan 04, 2003
Posts: 3691
From: Trader's Jungle Outpost, Turlock, Ca.
|  Posted: 2010-02-23 3:37 pm Permalink
Sit down, shutup, and drink.
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swizzle
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Joined: Jun 03, 2007
Posts: 637
From: Melbourne,Australia
| Posted: 2010-02-23 3:45 pm Permalink
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On 2010-02-23 15:37, Jungle Trader wrote:
Sit down, shutup, and drink.
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Exactly!
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bigbrotiki
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 10557
From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
| Posted: 2010-02-23 4:08 pm Permalink
Now now kids. Anti-intellectualism is rearing its head in this country enough already. Some of you here would not know jack s#*t about Tiki if not for some others (yes, like moi) exercising their intellectual properties of research and contextualization.
John-O's post have rubbed me wrong sometimes too, but it is his enthusiasm for the subject and his ability to hold an intelligent (even if sometimes on the wrong track) discourse that is lacking here on this board. If you don't like what you read, either don't read it anymore, or counter on the same level. "Shut up" may be funny once, but not twice.
Your big brother. 
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GROG
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Posts: 6170
From: Tujunga
| Posted: 2010-02-23 5:06 pm Permalink
Big Brother is watching.
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Jungle Trader
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Joined: Jan 04, 2003
Posts: 3691
From: Trader's Jungle Outpost, Turlock, Ca.
| Posted: 2010-02-23 7:15 pm Permalink
How ya' gonna enjoy it if yer always analyzing it?
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bigbrotiki
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Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 10557
From: Tiki Island, above the Silverlake
| Posted: 2010-02-23 7:25 pm Permalink
Some of us enjoy THAT as part of the whole, and get the same kick out of it than out of a Navy Grog, or a new Tiki mug . But I agree to a degree: I left out a lot of info from the Book of Tiki on purpose in order to not strip the subject of all its mystique.
But if someone asks a question, or appears confused about a facet of Tiki culture, I am following my calling, and out comes a slew of information and opinion.
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Jungle Trader
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From: Trader's Jungle Outpost, Turlock, Ca.
| Posted: 2010-02-23 7:28 pm Permalink
That's all fine bigbro but people keep repeating the same things over and over. Now let's have a drink.
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pablus
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Joined: Jul 23, 2003
Posts: 2146
From: www.crazedmugs.com
| Posted: 2010-02-23 7:32 pm Permalink
SC on Monday.
FI on Tuesday.
Come on down, JT.
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Jungle Trader
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Joined: Jan 04, 2003
Posts: 3691
From: Trader's Jungle Outpost, Turlock, Ca.
| Posted: 2010-02-23 7:43 pm Permalink
You gonna be there Pablus?
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pablus
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From: www.crazedmugs.com
| Posted: 2010-02-24 01:02 am Permalink
Lord willing and the plane don't explode over the Pacific dropping me on a desert island with 4 Taiwanese stewardesses with salvaged cases of rum and wine...
...wait a second...
...OK...
...yeah, I'll be there.
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Mai Tai
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Joined: Mar 21, 2004
Posts: 1430
From: Exotic Isle of Alameda
| Posted: 2010-02-24 01:04 am Permalink
I'll see ya at both places, Pablus. And I'll be leavin' my Thinkin' Cap at home.
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Bohemiann
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Joined: Apr 29, 2004
Posts: 441
From: Sarasota, Fla.
| Posted: 2010-02-24 09:44 am Permalink
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On 2010-02-22 17:17, JOHN-O wrote:
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On 2010-02-22 10:14, bigtikidude wrote:
good to hear/read.
now where is the SC review?
Jeff(btd)
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Actually I’ve decided not to post that full review. 
I was informed today that many here on TC believe this type of prolonged discussion (“Is SC Tiki”, “FI vs. SC”) is not good for the scene, especially when these threads show up in the results of non-TC search engines.
It was not my intent to upset people and I apologize to anyone who felt the thread was inappropriate (or went on too long).
FYI, I was NOT asked to remove my posts or change my tone, it was just a polite "heads up” that I’ve decided to respect.
So let me end it with a short version of my original review:
"Smuggler’s Cove is BEYOND Tiki !! The cocktails are amazing."
Go see Reza (aka the “Rear Admiral”). You’ll be seeing a lot more of him.
That’s all folks !!
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I just caught up on some of my TC reading and made my way through this thread. looks familiar.
Tiki-Censorship ?
Can't say as I blame you John-O and, that's sad... on one level but understandable on another.
We should feel free to post whatever our opinions are but often do not for fear of crossing some kind of fuzzy "Tiki Correctness" line on an ambiguous sub-cultures sense of..... well, itself. There is also the fact that we all gravitate to the same watering holes, events, online communities and one does not want to damage relationships or risk being shunned by the current list of tiki Demi-gods or of running contrary to someones VERY strong opinion.
My STRONG opinions lean towards maintaining Aloha Spirit, Respect, and Tolerance when posting and normally my objections are not to contrary opinion but to it's delivery or that opinions digression from respectable discourse or smug intolerance to anothers opinion with obvious "Holy-er than thou" undertones. Obviously I do not have an opinion on run-on sentences.
That said, I think I understand the premise behind not wanting to propagate the "vs." discussions.
Looking at a place for what it is NOT rather than what it IS is to begin and base your opinion from a negative stance. To compare every new place to a few who have done it right, in our opinion, or.... what WAS, or what we few think it SHOULD be, is futile. Better to look at places with an open mind and on their own individual and unique merits and offerings and not whether or not it compares to the Mai-Kai or FI or some defunct place we wish could have made it but did not because.... ?!? there is a topic in itself. What we think it takes to make an Authentic Tiki Bar may not be economically feasible, sustainable, or practical save for a few locations. Honestly some of our "Holy Places" are barely hanging on while the so called "undesirables" are doing quite well.
I absolutely love and prefer Exotic and Dark Molokai Lounges, BUT I also like the sand in my toes at a thatch Native American Chickee hut on a white sand Florida beach with a decent rum-runner and burger, and when in Denver I always drive down to Manatou Springs to visit the Castaway and it's odd mixture of decor, including a strong Pirate theme and good Chinese food. A lot of the scene in Florida has a Caribbean influence...so what. Thats Florida's Style. If I am not mistaken the Tiki Pop Culture is a mixture of South Pacific Influences brought back and mixed in with distinctly AMERICAN influences...like Googie. It's not surprising we see Polynesian mixing with Caribbean as we get further South East. This may be blasphemy to some but .... We are having fun anyway and just may be peddling as much, if not more, ALOHA Spirit than a closed minded intolerant outlook on diversity.
I honestly do not care for Jimmy Buffet music but the fact that a place may play it along with Reggae and steel drums will not keep me from visiting and having a good time, and enjoying good company. I DO require good service and quality drinks. That much is universal. If there is Polynesian, pirates, Smugglers, or nautical mixed in....awesome!
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Sven, this cracked me up ! History (and sub-culture it seems) are truly defined by those who write it. Distinguishing a critical philosophy of history from speculative philosophy of history is always fun. Sven, did a great job telling us where we have been....even if we can't handle the WHOLE TRUTH and here is where we get to discuss, diagnose, and futilely attempt to influence where its going. In truth it will go where POPULAR CULTURE dictates. As un-intellectual as that process may be that is what was responsible for the whole scene in the first place, the "Regular Joe" and what he is willing to pay for.
The fact is the watered down versions are making money and will remain more popular than our tiki revival. I don't mind. We have our events and our "Holy Places" and while I would like to see more the only way that would happen is to dilute and mass produce. My opinion. I like the special rare places that I have to go and seek out and revel in, I like the intimacy of our events. I also like the availability of good drinks, diverse ideas and design, unique approaches, and maybe a small taste of Aloha Spirit.
I think we have it pretty good right now and there are more offerings, interactions, and information available for us now than there ever has been thanks to the efforts of some and the interest of all of you. There is certainly a dependency.
I wonder if there were people like anthropologists or something who loved Authentic Polynesian culture and were horrified at the "Tiki Places", Shirts, and Poly-Pop occurrences back in the day and felt like the whole scene just exploited and painted a tainted picture of the culture.
No post is complete without a picture:
The Intoxicators playing Surf Music in the Molokai. The Molokai offers a very wide variety of music including an occasional Buffet tune, Jazz, Blues, and other Non-Tiki tunes. Honestly...is NOTHING Sacred?
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Hakalugi
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Joined: Aug 10, 2004
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From: Redondo Beach, CA
| Posted: 2010-02-24 10:08 am Permalink
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On 2010-02-24 09:44, Bohemiann wrote:
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I take exception with this. The watered down ones are more popular? Don't confuse things. Being more popular has nothing to do with being watered down. Long term "More popular" has to do with good product and good service.
Forbidden Island and Smuggler's Cove so far are very popular, making very good money and they are NOT watered down.
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JOHN-O
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Joined: May 16, 2008
Posts: 2450
From: Dogtown, USA
| Posted: 2010-02-24 10:16 am Permalink
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On 2010-02-24 09:44, Bohemiann wrote:
Tiki-Censorship ?
Can't say as I blame you John-O and, that's sad... on one level but understandable on another.
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Wait I want to go on record here. I was in no way being censored.
It was merely brought to my attention that people were reading more into my posts than what I had intended. I just didn't want to prolong the misunderstanding with yet another post that people might take issue with.
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Hakalugi
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Posts: 2802
From: Redondo Beach, CA
| Posted: 2010-02-24 10:32 am Permalink
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On 2010-02-24 10:16, JOHN-O wrote:
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On 2010-02-24 09:44, Bohemiann wrote:
Tiki-Censorship ?
Can't say as I blame you John-O and, that's sad... on one level but understandable on another.
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Wait I want to go on record here. I was in no way being censored.
It was merely brought to my attention that people were reading more into my posts than what I had intended. I just didn't want to prolong the misunderstanding with yet another post that people might take issue with.
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Exactly! So like I said earlier, why not go ahead and post your review in the SC thread over here:
http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=34821&forum=2
Obviously posting it here under the "Tiki or Not Tiki" moniker doesn't do anybody any good.
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