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Official Tiki Oasis 11 thread
sleestak
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Posted: 2011-08-26 12:55 pm   Permalink

the kids see more skin at the pool than on the stage.... just sayin.... maybe they shouldnt swim after 10 am???? ITS A FAMILY EVENT PEOPLE!!! i remember going to hawaii as a kid in the 70's , and all of the shows with hula girls and savage dancers were also family events. talk about seeing a lot of skin. and with coconut bras and guys with merely enough grass to cover the ass! or people rocking banana hammocks!!! this thread reminds me of one i read along time ago referring to how kids shouldnt be able to run around in disneyland, and parents should really keep them on a short leash!!! its disneyland!!! its fun for kids!!! tiki oasis is also fun for kids!!! my son talks about it all year and tells all his friends about it, and its OUR vacation together! again my son is generally in the room by 9pm anyhow, but trying to make this a 21 and up show will demolish a major number of repeat customers and allow more of the unwanted guests to occupy space!!! "BABY THE WORLD AINT ROUND , ITS SQUARE!!!"
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tiki-riviera
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Joined: May 11, 2003
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From: Long Beach
Posted: 2011-08-26 1:26 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2011-08-25 15:52, SandraDee wrote:

my roomie asked me to post this for her....

Oasis is over…and what a blast it was!

Voice is STILL not 100% from Los Straitjackets & Big Sandy, Vantiki’s killer pendants are dangling from my neck, Bowana’s moai mug has a proud space on my shelf, still recovering from drinking all those sour samples during Martin’s symposium, been adding new friends met while volunteering to my Facebook and trying to figure out why I am not still surrounded by so many people I adore partying their butts off with me!

I am surprised that so many people don’t just have fun/make friends/enjoy Oasis for what it is. Sure there are going to be things you aren’t into and there are going to be unexpected issues but hey..things do happen. As for…

Burlesque – if they are not your kids and the dancers don’t protest dancing in front of them then I say don’t worry about it. Too bad La Cholita (there was some talk she was booked) was not shakin’ her money maker up there this year—she would have had some of the adults blushing with her antics!

Kids – I don’t have kids. If I did I would never bring them to a weekend like Oasis. Or like Ohana. Or like Viva Las Vegas for that matter. The weekend is about one thing – partying. Sure you can throw in vendors and car shows and bands but guess what I won’t edit my antics because you don’t want your kid to be subject to rowdy behavior. I will however give you a dirty look and nasty words when you try to bring them into a room party at 2am. You can’t have it both ways…you either make your weekend adult or you make your weekend about your kids.I know when I see Otto out at a party at 3am his kids will never be with him. Its called being a responsible parent. Know that if you want to bring your kids to the event then its your responsibilty to MANAGE your children. Adults are coming there for escapism—not to play babysitter to strangers kids while they are no where to be found. (this seems to be happening every year more and more)

Hotel-If you don’t want to stay at The Crowne because its too expensive or because rowdy partiers won’t be quiet or because there may or may not be a rooster/drummer/fire alarm incident in the future then there are plenty of hotels around that area and of course you can stay at the sister hotels Tiki Oasis works with. Plenty of people do since they are only in their room to shower/sleep and would rather save their money on things like booze and tiki goods from the vendors.

Food-If you don’t like the food prices or the food offered bring your own. Our room had breakfast noshes and easy sandwhich fixings that came in handy when we rolled into bed at 4am and realized we were starving. Plus I have two words of advice for you next year – BLOODY MARY. At the sushi bar Chris (who pretty much rocks every year) can make you the best of both worlds – a meal and booze – which will have you forgetting you even wanted a hamburger in the first place.
Until additional options are offered either deal with the food issue or make other arrangements.

I am sure you have had to do something on vacation before when the hotel you stayed at was not to your liking. Adapt people!

Someone mentioned a non-aloholic drink bar. I think this would be AWESOME. Especially when the weekend is on the warm side.

Theme – who cares. Seriously. If Tiki Oasis were the same every year people would get bored and complain it was too much of the same thing all the time. Variety is the spice of tiki. The theme is nothing more than to have a jumping off point for ridiculous fun such as moustache contests, zombie makeup classes, marching band entrances, etc. If you don’t like the theme and base not going around it GREAT..then no one will have to listen to you complain!


How awesome is it that there are events such as Oasis/Caliente/Ohana/etc??? How lucky are we that people who have their fun boozing it up and collecting dusty ceramics get to party at so many different types of events and meet more and more new friends every year. Give me every gathering---fly me to them all. Let me say hi to my NorCal friends and to my SoCal friends..to the folks in NY and to those at the Mai Kai…lets go party in the desert or hell head off to the slopes for ski tiki. Just give me a mai tai and a reason to throw on a loud Hawaiian shirt and lets do this!


Few honorable mentions..Sleestak your band KILLED IT wandering the hallways, Tiki Hell your pufferfish disco ball was ridiculously awesome, Ikabod rocked as volunteer coordinator, Sabu really DOES have the biggest cactus of them all, Holden – you were missed at Oasis but your warehouse sale was a great way to kick off the weekend, and to Otto and Baby Doe you pretty much deal with 11.5 months of planning for our 1 weekend of partying. THANK YOU!

If people want to complain and aren’t happy with this and that and decide they don’t want to go…

GUESS WHAT?? Plenty of others will take your place and have the fun you are missing out on next year.

See you all at Tiki Oasis 2012 – how many more days until?









I've attended almost every TO since the first one in Palm Springs(before I had kids) and every year there have been activities geared toward kids (thanks King K!), so it's no surprise that families attend TO every year. Gotta always love people without kids offering parenting advice... I was sad to miss this year, but it sounds like it's turning into a bitch fest. If TO is meant to be adults only, Otto should make that clear from the get-go.


 
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2011-08-26 2:07 pm   Permalink

Sorry to be Mr. Conservative, but I am in the camp FIRMLY that believes children should not be present at tiki oasis. I am sure I will be flamed for this, but so be it. There are plenty of places for families to go other then an event with possibly more drinking then most fraternities, and burlesque, which is simply a classy and vintage form of stripping, but stripping none the less. I don't have any problem with the human body or consuming vast amounts of alcohol, but kids have no place being around that until they are old enough to understand. There is always disneyland where the kids can run amok and destroy everyone else's good time. But save some events for adults. We need good times too. Needless to say, nothing will stop me from attending future Oasis. It's a very fun and well run event.

 
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Big Vic
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Joined: Aug 24, 2010
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Posted: 2011-08-26 2:13 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2011-08-26 12:55, sleestak wrote:
the kids see more skin at the pool than on the stage.... just sayin.... maybe they shouldnt swim after 10 am???? ITS A FAMILY EVENT PEOPLE!!! i remember going to hawaii as a kid in the 70's , and all of the shows with hula girls and savage dancers were also family events. talk about seeing a lot of skin. and with coconut bras and guys with merely enough grass to cover the ass! or people rocking banana hammocks!!! this thread reminds me of one i read along time ago referring to how kids shouldnt be able to run around in disneyland, and parents should really keep them on a short leash!!! its disneyland!!! its fun for kids!!! tiki oasis is also fun for kids!!! my son talks about it all year and tells all his friends about it, and its OUR vacation together! again my son is generally in the room by 9pm anyhow, but trying to make this a 21 and up show will demolish a major number of repeat customers and allow more of the unwanted guests to occupy space!!! "BABY THE WORLD AINT ROUND , ITS SQUARE!!!"




Excellent point! I saw a cute girl in the pool having bikini top issues. So, if I got a good view, you know all the kiddos did too. Parents; warning! Don't take your children to France or Italy ! You'll see more topless girls in one hour, at the beach, then you will during an entire T.O weekend! While in England never let them watch TV commercials! AND What ever you do. Never let them leaf through old National Geographic magazines! There are colored glossy images of topless native women!

You have to make room for all the aspects of the TO experience. It's never going to be perfect for everyone. I think that it's pretty darn close to "going off without a hitch". But just like TV; If you don't like what's on one channel- turn it.
I for one LOVE the drunken hordes roaming around the hotel at night! Thats exciting and buzzing with adventure. You never know what is going to happen next. Will it be good, fun, or horrible? Who am I going to meet next that is completely hammered and uninhibited? Happy or angry? Thats why I go!! If it was all shopping, symposiums, and organized fun, I'd skip it. Please leave room for folks like me too.


 
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LiddleLola
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Joined: Aug 24, 2008
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From: Elk Grove, CA
Posted: 2011-08-26 3:00 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2011-08-26 12:55, sleestak wrote:
the kids see more skin at the pool than on the stage.... just sayin.... maybe they shouldnt swim after 10 am???? ITS A FAMILY EVENT PEOPLE!!! i remember going to hawaii as a kid in the 70's , and all of the shows with hula girls and savage dancers were also family events. talk about seeing a lot of skin. and with coconut bras and guys with merely enough grass to cover the ass! or people rocking banana hammocks!!! this thread reminds me of one i read along time ago referring to how kids shouldnt be able to run around in disneyland, and parents should really keep them on a short leash!!! its disneyland!!! its fun for kids!!! tiki oasis is also fun for kids!!! my son talks about it all year and tells all his friends about it, and its OUR vacation together! again my son is generally in the room by 9pm anyhow, but trying to make this a 21 and up show will demolish a major number of repeat customers and allow more of the unwanted guests to occupy space!!! "BABY THE WORLD AINT ROUND , ITS SQUARE!!!"



Hula is not a sexual dance, Burlesque is by far. It's sole intent is to stir sexual urges. Burlesque has never been a family event. An analogy would be viewing nude art vs. pornography, both have the same subjects but convey different messages. Not suggesting that Oasis become adults only (that could be disastrous), simply suggesting that the kids not allowed front and center for the sexually arousing strip shows. It's a buzz kill.

Thanks for allowing me to voice my opinion that I believe is shared by many.

Respectfully,
Darilyn


 
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Matt Reese
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Joined: May 09, 2005
Posts: 1150
From: San Diego
Posted: 2011-08-26 4:07 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2011-08-26 12:55, sleestak wrote:
the kids see more skin at the pool than on the stage.... just sayin.... maybe they shouldnt swim after 10 am???? ITS A FAMILY EVENT PEOPLE!!! i remember going to hawaii as a kid in the 70's , and all of the shows with hula girls and savage dancers were also family events. talk about seeing a lot of skin. and with coconut bras and guys with merely enough grass to cover the ass! or people rocking banana hammocks!!! this thread reminds me of one i read along time ago referring to how kids shouldnt be able to run around in disneyland, and parents should really keep them on a short leash!!! its disneyland!!! its fun for kids!!! tiki oasis is also fun for kids!!! my son talks about it all year and tells all his friends about it, and its OUR vacation together! again my son is generally in the room by 9pm anyhow, but trying to make this a 21 and up show will demolish a major number of repeat customers and allow more of the unwanted guests to occupy space!!! "BABY THE WORLD AINT ROUND , ITS SQUARE!!!"




Gonna go with Sleestak on this one. For everyone who has complaints... I'm sure they are being noted. As far as the event goes... it rules. If the event remains the same as it has been for many years now, and the things that people are disagreeing on haven't changed for the people complaining, and they don't change I would suggest not attending. If things do bug you, deal with it. I'm so tired of watching people work so hard to make an event go well just to have others nit-pick anything that they don't agree with. Look, you all know what the event is. You know what to expect. If someone has a problem with the way I deal with my children please express it to me directly and I will gladly do my best to prove that there is no negative impact being made. Like I said before I understand both sides of the argument. People are just going to have to agree to disagree without name calling or getting mad. If a dancer isn't comfortable then maybe she shouldn't perform. Everyone should, by now, know what they are in for. I had a wonderful time at Tiki Oasis. My family had a great time as well. Otto and Baby Doe and all the volunteers kicked serious butt. I want to express how great it is getting to see so many people every year that I don't get to see otherwise.
All this drama is pointless. Let's focus on the positive. After all we're here for a good time, not a long time.
Peace with every step.

I also wanted to add that Sandra Dee's opinion in her post on Kids is pretty damn smart. Added this which caused an edit.


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Bruddah Bear
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Posted: 2011-08-26 4:10 pm   Permalink

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On 2011-08-26 15:00, LiddleLola wrote:
Hula is not a sexual dance



Really? I guess the organizers of the Merrie Monarch Festival better start letting all the Halau know they better stop using all those pesky Mele Ma'i (procreation chants).

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HB TIKI
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Posted: 2011-08-26 7:24 pm   Permalink

Thank you Otto and Baby Doe, looking back at all the pictures make this a great event. No lines, plenty of food and great room parties. I made the frames for the room awards for my of trying to contribute.
Roger Brittan-HB TIKI





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Rob Roy
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Posted: 2011-08-26 8:39 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2011-08-26 14:07, lucas vigor wrote:
Sorry to be Mr. Conservative, but I am in the camp FIRMLY that believes children should not be present at tiki oasis. I am sure I will be flamed for this, but so be it. There are plenty of places for families to go other then an event with possibly more drinking then most fraternities, and burlesque, which is simply a classy and vintage form of stripping, but stripping none the less. I don't have any problem with the human body or consuming vast amounts of alcohol, but kids have no place being around that until they are old enough to understand. There is always disneyland where the kids can run amok and destroy everyone else's good time. But save some events for adults. We need good times too. Needless to say, nothing will stop me from attending future Oasis. It's a very fun and well run event.



So should Doe and Otto leave their children behind?


 
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crazy al
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Posted: 2011-08-26 8:43 pm   Permalink

sad i'm doing this on a friday night... but Bongs Band at Don's last night and Purple Orchid tomorrow... i'm stayin' local tonight.

anyway... a quick google got me some good fun as i had some inkling of the importance of sexuality to the Tahitians.. now that is not Hawaii but Tikis come from Tahiti right not Hawaii... bla bla bla

anyway this found here:
http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/ATLAS_EN/html/sex_and_society.html

"... For example, when Captain Cook came to Tahiti he was greatly surprised to find that the Tahitians had sexual intercourse in public and "gratified every appetite and passion before witnesses". Thus, he reported in his Account of a Voyage Around the World (1769):

“A young man, nearly six feet high, performed the rites of Venus with a little girl about 11 or 12 years of age, before several of our people and a great number of natives, without the least sense of its being indecent or improper, but, as appeared, in perfect conformity to the custom of the place. Among the spectators were several women of superior rank who . . . gave instructions to the girl how to perform her part, which, young as she was, she did not seem much to stand in need of.”

Well... thanks Missionaries for righting all the wrongs and putting tops on those crazy Tahitian Dancers. (I do believe that all original dances were topless and nude... with kids present) Hula? i think it was almost squashed by the missionaries too and dumbed down for 'our' sensibilities.... but that is more google-ing fun...

ah? the article follows with this:
In spite of his consternation, however, Captain Cook apparently kept his composure and did not try to stop the performance. After all, he was not a moral crusader, but a practical Englishman, a seasoned world traveler, and a son of the Age of Enlightenment.

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HB TIKI
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Posted: 2011-08-26 9:19 pm   Permalink

Excellent Al

 
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thestoked1
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Posted: 2011-08-26 9:46 pm   Permalink

Does anyone know who the Italian surf band at the one room party was? the Bradipos IV?

 
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Chuck Tatum is Tiki
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Posted: 2011-08-26 10:38 pm   Permalink

I think many of you are forgetting it's about "Tiki"
which is why I got into this whole "Tiki Revival" in the first place
it started as an adult activity and that's what it should be, I am not saying you
can't share it with your kids, just don't try to take away everything that makes it
what it is.

I am with Lucas as well, Tiki Oasis is a long running event and everyone who
has attended it in the past knows what to expect from it.

So why all this bitching now?


 
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Kapu Kai in Hi-Fi
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Posted: 2011-08-27 12:04 am   Permalink

Ok been thinking of possible music acts If they go with the spy theme for 0012. Two original performers from 60s - 70s to consider that are still out there

Al Caiola. - he's mr tough guitar. Did a bunch of spy / private eye stuff
Lalo Schifrin - still at it. Mannix. Mission impossible, Bullitt

And a crazy group from Japan. 
Tokyo Panorama Mambo boys. Did 2 LPs of spy stuff

Any other suggestions?


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TheClamsCasino
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Posted: 2011-08-27 08:13 am   Permalink

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So why all this bitching now?



Maybe because what was once minor and could be overlooked and shrugged off isn't so minor and can't be overlooked and shrugged off anymore? At lot of this has been building for years as this event keeps getting larger.

And the whole "well, if you don't like it, don't come" attitude is part of what we are bitching about.


 
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