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ErichTroudt
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Posted: 2014-03-07 4:07 pm   Permalink

It was okay.... A little history, and a lot of about the Revival...spent a little too much time on burlesque dancers...

I guess my main beef was it portrayed the comeback or revival of tiki was based solely on tiki news, tiki central, and the book. No mention of the rockabilly scene at all.

In SoCal in the early 90's rockabilly and Swing had a huge comeback, and following on its heels was the midcentury and "Tiki".

I remember in early 90's being able to get any vintage 50's stuff and tiki stuff I wanted from thrift stores, after the rockabilly revival the stuff was gone. Rockabilly people bought old houses, decorated them vintage, and made tiki bars. They searched for old 50's hotels, diners and bowling alleys...and many of found were tiki ones....

Look at many of the first events and hot rod cars shows were attached. Corpro Nason used tons of guys like Pizz and Von Franco for their early tiki prints. In 1999 Taboo: the art of Tiki book used tons of kustom kulture and greasers artists.
I remember seeing shag and his art at a Mooneyes event before he was insanely popular. Same thing years later with Tiki Diablo.
I used to carry around my early tiki revival art to the car shows for the artists to sign because I knew they'd be there.

If you wanted new tiki stuff you had to go to 8 Ball or the other crazy little stores in burbank that otherwise carried 50's stuff for the greaser clientele.

By no means am I saying that Tiki news, tiki central, and a few others mentioned in the Movie weren't a big part of the revival, its obvious they were, and like it said in the movie, they brought people together that already had an interest.... but the huge growth in interest about Tiki without a doubt was fueled by the greasers. Growth enough to justify books, New mugs, tiki companies, and strictly tiki events that happen on a regular basis.


 
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kenbo-jitsu
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Posted: 2014-03-07 4:26 pm   Permalink

I personally would have cut the segment about tattoos and used the time for something else. Tattoos were certainly not part of mid-century tiki, and I really dont consider them MORE a part of the tiki revival than they are of contemporary life in general.

Ditto for the burlesque dancer interview.

I dont want to sound negative though. I enjoyed the show and it was certainly well made. Im happy there are talented people desirous of making programs about tiki. Thank you and great job!


 
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Posted: 2014-03-07 4:35 pm   Permalink

Before the Rockabilly scene you had the Punks in the 70s
which is where I started to appreciate and stop taking for granted Mid Century,Tiki
and vintage clothing, it was disappearing at an alarming rate and wasn't cool anymore
which appealed to the Punks.

Many of the founding members of the Tiki Revival came out of the early Punk scene
when the Rockabilly revival was still years away.


 
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ErichTroudt
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Posted: 2014-03-07 4:39 pm   Permalink

okay, and they discuss that....but punk scene didn't cause the "growth explosion" of tiki in the 90's..... rockabilly did.

 
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Posted: 2014-03-07 4:54 pm   Permalink

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On 2014-03-07 16:39, ErichTroudt wrote:
okay, and they discuss that....but punk scene didn't cause the "growth explosion" of tiki in the 90's..... rockabilly did.



That is an interesting note, I wonder if it was more regional though?
I didn't see the Rockabilly kids here in SoCal get into Tiki until the last 5 or 6 years

More so the Tiki crowd here, brought in the Car Culture influence before that, from my point of view anyway
what about the other areas of the States & the World, it sure seems that Rockabilly and Hotrod culture
in Australia is behind their Tiki Revival.


 
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Big Kahuna
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Posted: 2014-03-07 5:17 pm   Permalink

Been a Rockabilly my whole life. I've been into Mid-Century stuff, since my teens, but didn't "discover" Tiki until about 8 years ago.

 
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bigtikidude
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Posted: 2014-03-07 8:08 pm   Permalink

Some of the Surf music bands in the 90s were incorporating
Tiki images/ themes in their music, song titles, album art, and stage wear.

2 of these bands that I saw around the same time I went to Hawaii and as I was getting
Into Tiki were The Tiki Tones, and the Huntington Cads.
Both of whom had of course, Shag In the line up.
But there are many others.

Jeff btd

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Swanky
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From: Hapa Haole Hideaway, TN
Posted: 2014-03-10 09:43 am   Permalink

Quote:

On 2014-03-07 16:07, ErichTroudt wrote:
It was okay.... A little history, and a lot of about the Revival...spent a little too much time on burlesque dancers...

I guess my main beef was it portrayed the comeback or revival of tiki was based solely on tiki news, tiki central, and the book. No mention of the rockabilly scene at all.

In SoCal in the early 90's rockabilly and Swing had a huge comeback, and following on its heels was the midcentury and "Tiki".

I remember in early 90's being able to get any vintage 50's stuff and tiki stuff I wanted from thrift stores, after the rockabilly revival the stuff was gone. Rockabilly people bought old houses, decorated them vintage, and made tiki bars. They searched for old 50's hotels, diners and bowling alleys...and many of found were tiki ones....

Look at many of the first events and hot rod cars shows were attached. Corpro Nason used tons of guys like Pizz and Von Franco for their early tiki prints. In 1999 Taboo: the art of Tiki book used tons of kustom kulture and greasers artists.
I remember seeing shag and his art at a Mooneyes event before he was insanely popular. Same thing years later with Tiki Diablo.
I used to carry around my early tiki revival art to the car shows for the artists to sign because I knew they'd be there.

If you wanted new tiki stuff you had to go to 8 Ball or the other crazy little stores in burbank that otherwise carried 50's stuff for the greaser clientele.

By no means am I saying that Tiki news, tiki central, and a few others mentioned in the Movie weren't a big part of the revival, its obvious they were, and like it said in the movie, they brought people together that already had an interest.... but the huge growth in interest about Tiki without a doubt was fueled by the greasers. Growth enough to justify books, New mugs, tiki companies, and strictly tiki events that happen on a regular basis.




It was just a whole mid-century revival. There was rockabilly, lounge, swing. A generation that grew up on the heels of the 50-60s started appreciating it and re-discovering it. Their parents record collections, the diners, the Tiki joints.

I always felt Tiki was a sub-sub-culture of vintage revival and it was the common connector of all the other sub-cultures. Billys were into Tiki, as were Lounge and Big Band people.

Rockabilly didn't create Tiki culture, they were all part of the same wave. I do think Rockabilly culture was the biggest group.
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Luckydesigns
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Posted: 2014-03-10 11:49 am   Permalink

I can tell you that in the very early days of Tiki Oasis (II, III, IV), there were very few rockabilly guys/ girls at the events. They might have appreciated tiki, but the rockabilly crowd en mass didn't really hit the the tiki event thing until fairly recently.
I remember being at those early events going, 'Why aren't more rockabillies at these things??'
I was always the youngest guy in the early days too It's all changed (for the better in my opinion).


Watched the show this weekend. It was interesting.


Edited thought: That isn't to say that rockabillies weren't into collecting tikis and mugs and stuff during the revival, they just weren't really showing up at the events or finding their way to Tiki Central yet.

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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2014-03-10 12:34 pm   Permalink

I would say the first stirrings of "tiki revival" might even date back to the 80's...

go to 1:08 (1983)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESy-Z8vqMrE

starting at :12 (1988)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T6e3GJCjow

and even earlier, 1977

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEmnHq5BF-k

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Hakalugi
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Posted: 2014-03-10 1:08 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2014-03-10 12:34, lucas vigor wrote:
I would say the first stirrings of "tiki revival" might even date back to the 80's...





Here's an excellent summary of 80's Tiki
http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=27168&forum=1

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Swanky
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Posted: 2014-03-11 06:11 am   Permalink

Before the Tiki Central Yahoo group there was the Exotica group and that is where I heard about the TC group. They shared some members. Heck, I think you'd have to say even Rockabilly culture started with the music and maybe getting into your parents records. And one of my earliest cocktail memories was asking the Millionaire for rum suggestions for a Mai Tai.

I certainly went to a lot of 'billy events before I knew of Oasis. Before we did Hukilau, we were talking about doing a rockabilly event at one of the vintage hotels in Pigeon Forge or old theaters around the area, then Hukilau just sort of fell in our laps. In Atlanta the 'billy community really turned out, but they were a lot of just mid-century fans and that was the predominate community/culture.
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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From: Costa Misery
Posted: 2014-03-11 09:18 am   Permalink

I finally had a chance to watch it, then had a discussion with Bosko about it on Saturday
I voiced my opinion why Bosko wasn't interviewed for it & thought he should have been
and though Bamboo Ben was mentioned he should have also been interviewed.

It did perpetuate some of the old myths, The inaccuracies others had voiced like
Returning WW2 service men being responsible for the advent of the Tiki craze.

Vietnam Vets not wanting to have anything to do with Tiki Bars etc. (A Vietnam Vet was standing
next to us and said it was quite the opposite)

When mentioning that many of the folks responsible for the Tiki revival came out of the Punk Rock scene
Crazy Al was brought up as one of them, but this is not true according to Crazy Al himself.

So it was a bit off on the facts, but I would still say it was a good introduction to the Tiki revival
and showed us in a good light, except for that Sven guy



 
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Unga Bunga
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Posted: 2014-03-11 2:27 pm   Permalink

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On 2014-03-04 22:19, MakeDaMug wrote:
Beautiful yet coincidingly embarrassingly wrong. Great features on some great friends. Yeah, not enough of the protagonists presented in this. Small research. Being a fan of the Big Lebowski at least like that they put that in there. What does that have to do with Tiki? I don't know. But I love the big Lebowski. Who the heck are a lot of those people in the video? It was okay. Better than most.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbpqPkaoiB0

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bigbrotiki
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Posted: 2014-03-11 3:04 pm   Permalink

One has to keep in mind that the filmmakers started out as making this docu for the local PBS affiliate, and it was first going to concentrate on the Florida/Hukilau/MaiKai scene. Then they branched out to California, a lil' bit. I tried to get them to put as much history and actual TIKI (the figure) in there as possible: For my taste it could have been more about the actual Tiki image (after all it's Tiki-this and Tiki-that all the time) - but then it WAS called "Plastic Paradise", not "Plastic Tiki Paradise" They did a fine job showing us folks as being sympathetically crazy, not dumb crazy, kudos for that!
And I think Tiki Bob Brooks was the star of the show: He looked sharp, in a great shot, and his accent really made it authentic - like from back in the day


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