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Fake Coco Joe's...is this really a problem? |
Hale Tiki
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Joined: Oct 19, 2004
Posts: 1404
From: Pittsburgh
|  Posted: 2012-11-01 12:42 pm Permalink
I'll be damned.
It's a guy.
And he's on TC.
Maybe we can get him to jump in on this thread?
Eh?
Also, I dig the Jeep.
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ErichTroudt
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Joined: Mar 27, 2002
Posts: 295
From: SoCal
| Posted: 2012-11-01 1:10 pm Permalink
Thanks Buzzy....I figured if anyone knew, it would be you.
So is there a sure fire way of telling the repro's from the originals?
Wonder if they make the new plaques without the colors....Since I can't ever seem to find the 3 tiki and the single tiki plaque at a decent price on ebay or in the wild.
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bob5150
Tiki Centralite
Joined: Aug 14, 2006
Posts: 14
From: Long Island, NY, USA
| Posted: 2012-11-01 1:30 pm Permalink
So there actually are multicolored Coco Joe's items? Can we still assume that the ones mentioned in this thread have been counterfeits?
I too am curious as to how to tell the real from the fakes. I'd hate to base it on something as arbitrary as how new or clean it looks.
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lunavideogames
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Joined: May 09, 2012
Posts: 356
From: San Diego
| Posted: 2012-11-01 6:02 pm Permalink
I believe I had a conversation with him at the International Tiki Marketplace. Just looked back to see if he was there, and he was.
I think he said that he made those mugs for the Purple Orchid...
Would he like it if someone made copies of those... 
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lunavideogames
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Joined: May 09, 2012
Posts: 356
From: San Diego
| Posted: 2012-11-01 6:18 pm Permalink
http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=38683&forum=17&26
Here is more info on that...
Hale Tiki - That red/orange one is his Purple Orchid mug that he is selling for $80.
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SandraDee
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Joined: Mar 11, 2011
Posts: 579 | Posted: 2012-11-01 6:41 pm Permalink
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On 2012-11-01 18:02, lunavideogames wrote:
I think he said that he made those mugs for the Purple Orchid...
Would he like it if someone made copies of those...
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Those mugs are copies of the Stockton Islander Bumatay mug.
I like Tiki Al.
He has always been nice to me.
I don't buy his items but it is obvious others do.
I say just talk to him if you have questions or an issue.
I am sure he would be receptive to having a conversation with ya
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lunavideogames
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Joined: May 09, 2012
Posts: 356
From: San Diego
| Posted: 2012-11-01 6:58 pm Permalink
I do know that they were not his original design.
SandraDee - I agree with you. He is very nice. I chatted with him for quite a bit.
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bob5150
Tiki Centralite
Joined: Aug 14, 2006
Posts: 14
From: Long Island, NY, USA
| Posted: 2012-11-01 8:12 pm Permalink
For the record, here's a link to some pics of some of the other CCJ-type items that are being discussed:
http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=42065&forum=17&vpost=654580
The existence of these items doesn't bug me(unless there's some sort of infringement going on), but as a CCJ newbie I feel that its important for potential buyers to know what their getting. The ebay listings, mentioned earlier in this thread, refer to the items as "CocoJoe's" not "CocoJoe's-style" and some of them are ending in the 20-30 dollar range. While that amount is unlikely to break the bank, especially for collectors, its too much if one thinks that they're getting something that they are not.
Repros definitely have a place, as evidenced in the several classic and rare mugs that have received the treatment. We all know that some of those mugs have gone on to attain high values of their own. Difference seems to be that we knew that they were tributes, homages, repros, etc...before laying down the money to buy them.
Thanks everyone for continuing to educate me, and maybe others, on CCJ.
Bob
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Joined: Jul 19, 2009
Posts: 4021
From: Costa Misery
| Posted: 2012-11-01 9:42 pm Permalink
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to I.D. Tiki Al
He has never misrepresented any of his items at the Tiki Market Place at Don's
though I do believe these are newer items versus vintage
Al is a true character & a very nice guy & he vends at many of the Tiki events
if you have questions,I am sure he will be glad to give you the 711.
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Hale Tiki
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Joined: Oct 19, 2004
Posts: 1404
From: Pittsburgh
| Posted: 2012-11-02 7:21 pm Permalink
I dig the mug.
I liked the original too, and would love to have one.
$80 is a bit out of my range for a mug at the moment though.
He seems like a genuine wack-a-do. And I mean that in the absolute nicest way possible.
Being a bit of a nutjob myself.
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lunavideogames
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Joined: May 09, 2012
Posts: 356
From: San Diego
| Posted: 2012-11-02 10:42 pm Permalink
I believe he was selling the purple ones for $40.
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Hale Tiki
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Joined: Oct 19, 2004
Posts: 1404
From: Pittsburgh
| Posted: 2012-11-03 09:47 am Permalink
Dunno, but the guy on ebay is not Tiki Al. It's a guy named Phil, who seemed to be confused when I contacted him, and said Tiki Al. I don't know if Phil is his mainland contact who doesn't know him as Tiki Al, or just some random guy who buys the stuff from Al.
Maybe we can get Tiki Al to weigh in on this thread. And to let us know where to get the purple mugs! (It'd be cool if they didn't have Purple Orchid on them. I know I saw some on that thread that didn't. And as much as I like the owners of the Purple Orchid, who were very cool when I met them recently, I only like buying location mugs if I've been there, or if it no longer exists.)
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bob5150
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Joined: Aug 14, 2006
Posts: 14
From: Long Island, NY, USA
| Posted: 2012-11-04 7:10 pm Permalink
Hale Tiki,
Did the subject of his "Coco Joe's" stock ever come up when you contacted him. Just curious if he had anything to say about their authenticity.
cheers,
Bob
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HOUSE OF KU
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Apr 15, 2005
Posts: 537
From: TIKILAND, USA
| Posted: 2012-11-04 10:02 pm Permalink
The Phoney CCJ's goes back Years.....
http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=29907&forum=12&vpost=419211&hilite=ebay
http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=29907&forum=12&vpost=430146&hilite=ebay
The ebay links are now gone, but the items are the same. If the
rhinestones are a different color or shape than ones you've seen before...it's probably New....Also the colored plaques in different colors are to be suspect too...  HoKU
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Hale Tiki
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Joined: Oct 19, 2004
Posts: 1404
From: Pittsburgh
| Posted: 2012-11-07 09:00 am Permalink
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On 2012-11-04 19:10, bob5150 wrote:
Hale Tiki,
Did the subject of his "Coco Joe's" stock ever come up when you contacted him. Just curious if he had anything to say about their authenticity.
cheers,
Bob
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He did not. And he's definitely not associated with Tiki Al. I'll inquire more.
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