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Kohala Bay Rum
LeftarmofBuddha
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Posted: 2017-03-10 9:16 pm   Permalink

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On 2017-03-05 18:59, lll888 wrote:
Really loving this mix:

5 parts Appleton reserve
1.5 Part Hamilton Black
1 part OFTD

The best damn mixing rum I've ever had!



Hey,111888! Have you had Kohala Bay rum? I'm just curious if you are actually comparing it directly or mixing blindly based on suggestions the way I am. I am using a similar mix of either appleton reserve or coruba, hamilton psb, and plantation OFTD in similar proportions and I agree that it is hard to beat as a funky and flavorful Jamaican mixing rum.


 
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Hurricane Hayward
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Posted: 2017-03-18 6:37 pm   Permalink

Wow, a lot of you guys have been busy! I admire the tinkering. I may need to update my suggested substitutions, but have not had time to try any of your blends. And, sadly, I've still not been able to find Hamilton Black Pot Still in South Florida. Jokeiii, where do you get it?

Congrats to Quince_at_Dannys, lll888, Scaramouch, jokeiii and CincyTikiCraig for all their fine work. I'll be trying some of those out when I get a chance.

My new suggestion is a blend using the new Plantation Dark, which is heavy on the Jamaican funk. Has anyone paired this with OFTD? A 3:1 blend would yield something around 94 proof, which is close to Dagger's 97. To get it down to Kohala Bay level, it would need to be a 6:1 mix. This might not be dark or punchy enough.

Let me know if anyone tries this, or any other blends with OFTD. I think this may be the way to go rather than using a 151 Demerara to bring up the proof.

Okole maluna!

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CincyTikiCraig
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Posted: 2017-03-19 7:55 pm   Permalink

I've just thrown a hand grenadine into the KB subs mixture. More to follow:



"Ho boy! Here is a "hogo" opening nose that's funky, grassy, earthy, woodsy, salty, resiny, yet sumptuously appealing; hogo, old closed room funk continuous deep into the second nosing passes. "Entry is deeply flavorful, keenly bittersweet, slightly smoky, tobacco-like, resiny/woody; mid-palate features a highly complex and concentrated molasses rum bearing that 's simultaneously graceful and rustic and it's this fragile balance between opposites that makes this rum exceptional. Admittedly, with this level of "hogo", it's not for everyone. I however, relish and admire this type of regional authencity.

Alc./Vol. : 42%
Origin : Jamaica
Raw material : Molasses
Fermentation : Plummer: 5 days, Wedderburn: 5 days, high esters: 2 weeks
Distillation : 2001, pot still
Tropical ageing : 11 years in Bourbon cask, Jamaica
Continental ageing, elevage : 2 years in Pierre Ferrand cask, Château de Bonbonnet, France."

https://www.plantationrum.com/plantation-jamaica-2001/



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Hurricane Hayward
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Posted: 2017-03-20 9:13 pm   Permalink

Yes, the Jamaica 2001 is legendary. I've sampled it at Miami Rum Fest, but it's not easy to come by (and quite pricey).


 
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CincyTikiCraig
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Posted: 2017-03-21 7:32 pm   Permalink

I'm playing with the Plantation as part of a blend. At ot's price a relatively small part of the blend (something like 1 part).

 
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mikehooker
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Posted: 2017-03-21 11:33 pm   Permalink

I just sampled the Plantation 2001 Jamaican rum, repeatedly, and honestly can't comprehend why it would even be brought into this discussion. For a pot still Jamaican it's very mild in flavor, more suitable as a sipper, and at just over 40% abv doesn't pack the necessary punch to be in contention as a Kohala Bay sub. Plus at the $40-ish price point doesn't seem in any possible way worth blending with multiple other rums to then be blended with multiple other ingredients to make a well balanced cocktail. Buy this rum. Sip it. Enjoy it. Maybe even make a Mai Tai with it. But by golly don't tarnish it by mixing it with other rums in an attempt to replicate kohala bay.

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Scaramouch
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Posted: 2017-03-23 08:01 am   Permalink

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On 2017-03-18 18:37, Hurricane Hayward wrote:

Let me know if anyone tries this, or any other blends with OFTD. I think this may be the way to go rather than using a 151 Demerara to bring up the proof.




I did try the OFTD in several combinations as part of my own KB blend experiments, but in blind taste tests 5XCoruba, 1xS&C, 1xLH151 was still the closest match to KB I've found so far, especially if you go the extra step and barrel age the blend for awhile. (For the record, I played with Coruba, Myers, Hamilton (Navy, Overproof & Black), LH151, OFTD, S&C in various ratios and combinations.)

OFTD is really fantastic - such great value - and I've been using it in Demerara Dry Floats, Swizzles and even as my Jamaican Mai Tai rum (wowza!). But my experience was that using it in a blend that tried to match KB was not as successful, it just threw the flavor off.

Of course, your results may vary


 
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CincyTikiCraig
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Posted: 2017-03-23 7:18 pm   Permalink

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On 2017-03-21 23:33, mikehooker wrote:
I just sampled the Plantation 2001 Jamaican rum, repeatedly, and honestly can't comprehend why it would even be brought into this discussion. For a pot still Jamaican it's very mild in flavor, more suitable as a sipper, and at just over 40% abv doesn't pack the necessary punch to be in contention as a Kohala Bay sub. Plus at the $40-ish price point doesn't seem in any possible way worth blending with multiple other rums to then be blended with multiple other ingredients to make a well balanced cocktail. Buy this rum. Sip it. Enjoy it. Maybe even make a Mai Tai with it. But by golly don't tarnish it by mixing it with other rums in an attempt to replicate kohala bay.

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To each their own. As to cost of the Plantation Jamaican, I manage a large wine and spirits store and get everything at cost. I've made a Mai Tai with the Plantation Jamaican and it's just not deep enough to shine in that drink. Tonight I made a mix of 5 parts Appleton Reserve: 1 part each OFTD, Hamilton Dark, Plantation Jamaican and Coruba. I'll let you know how it works in a few cocktails shortly.


 
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jokeiii
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Posted: 2017-03-26 2:26 pm   Permalink

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On 2017-03-18 18:37, Hurricane Hayward wrote:
And, sadly, I've still not been able to find Hamilton Black Pot Still in South Florida. Jokeiii, where do you get it?


Sorry for the delay, HH! Sunset Corners in Miami, ironically the last place I could get Kohala Bay. It's currently at $34.
http://www.sunsetcorners.com/browse.cfm/hamilton-jamaican-blk-rum/4,9828.html
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CincyTikiCraig
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Posted: 2017-03-26 7:15 pm   Permalink

I've made two rounds each of the Yeomans Grog and HH's tribute to the Black Magic, and they've been the BEST versions of those cocktails that I've ever made. This mixing rum is funky but with refinement and depth.

 
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mmaurice
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Posted: 2017-04-06 5:21 pm   Permalink

I have never had Kohala so I lean on this group for opinions.

I have been using the 1/2 blend of S&C/EL12 in many of Hayward's drinks and some others I have on my bar's menu. Very tasty mix and adds a unique flavor when blended in just the right amount to any drink. I have also played with the Hamilton Black variations but like the former better.

Never have put the Pusser's Blue label on rotation in my bar but after a tasting done at the Monthly Tiki Seminar at Trader Vic's here in ATL and a recent passion for the Painkiller, I bought some and I must say, it smells and tastes very similar to the Kohala Bay substitute blends.

Am I way off or has anybody tried this?


 
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LeftarmofBuddha
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Posted: 2017-04-06 6:57 pm   Permalink

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On 2017-04-06 17:21, mmaurice wrote:
I have never had Kohala so I lean on this group for opinions.

I have been using the 1/2 blend of S&C/EL12 in many of Hayward's drinks and some others I have on my bar's menu. Very tasty mix and adds a unique flavor when blended in just the right amount to any drink. I have also played with the Hamilton Black variations but like the former better.

Never have put the Pusser's Blue label on rotation in my bar but after a tasting done at the Monthly Tiki Seminar at Trader Vic's here in ATL and a recent passion for the Painkiller, I bought some and I must say, it smells and tastes very similar to the Kohala Bay substitute blends.

Am I way off or has anybody tried this?



It definitely carries the funk in the nose and shares a similar richness but I would only use it in a pinch. I do enjoy that rum, though! I may have to revisit it in a direct comparison with my current preferred KB blend.


 
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Hurricane Hayward
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Posted: 2017-04-11 10:02 pm   Permalink

mmaurice: Pusser's compares favorably to Smith & Cross (though I much prefer the latter). But the main problem with it as a Kohala Bay sub is that it's not purely Jamaican. In the Navy tradition, it's a multi-island blend that includes rums from Guyana, Trinidad and Barbados. That being said, it's a great blend, but not what we're looking for as a Kohala Bay sub.

I ran into this with Plantation Dark, and I can see the same issue popping up with O.F.T.D. I love what Plantation does with their blends, and I actually have the new, funkier Dark rated higher than Kohala Bay, Corbua, and Appleton Reserve in my personal rum ratings, but it's not the same as a pure Jamaican. It lacks the full-blown hogo and edge that those others do. Same with O.F.T.D., to a point. I think the extra 138-proof firepower takes this rum to another level, but again it's not a pure Jamaican rum like Dagger was.

So I didn't even bother blending Plantation Dark with O.F.T.D. As a Kohala Bay sub on its own, I rank it below Appleton Reserve in my updated list:
http://www.slammie.com/atomicgrog/blog/2012/05/08/rums-of-the-mai-kai-legendary-lemon-hart-returns-to-the-promised-land/#kohala-bay-substitutes

Next on my agenda was blending O.F.T.D. with just one other rum. Coruba was my choice, and a 6:1 blend seemed to work best. This would rank above Corbua on its own, but I'm not sure exactly where yet. I also tried Scaramouch's blend of 5 parts Coruba, 1 part Smith & Cross and 1 part LH 151 ... excellent! But I held off on further testing until this recent arrival ...



So now that I have Hamilton Jamaican Black in hand, I'm preparing to test all the other blends suggested by Quince_at_Dannys, lll888, jokeiii, CincyTikiCraig, and LeftArmOfBuddha. Let me know if I missed anybody. The plan is to compare Kohala Bay to a blind tasting of these new blends, along with the ones I've already ranked, and see if I can come up with a definitive list of Kohala Bay substitutes.

Stay tuned ...


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LeftarmofBuddha
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Posted: 2017-04-11 10:09 pm   Permalink

Glad to see you finally snagged some Hamilton Pot Still Black, Hurricane! I haven't been able to get his Pimento Dram or Navy Strength, yet. I'm curious to see what you come up with, assuming you like the Hamilton PSB. I love it in my Kohala Bay subs but I may love the funk more than some of the others on here.

 
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Hurricane Hayward
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Posted: 2017-04-11 10:56 pm   Permalink

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On 2017-04-11 22:09, LeftarmofBuddha wrote:
Glad to see you finally snagged some Hamilton Pot Still Black, Hurricane! I haven't been able to get his Pimento Dram or Navy Strength, yet. I'm curious to see what you come up with, assuming you like the Hamilton PSB. I love it in my Kohala Bay subs but I may love the funk more than some of the others on here.



Oh, I love me some funk! Enjoying an old-school Planters Punch with Hamilton PSB right now. Okole maluna!


 
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