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GECKO
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From: South Sea Arts Honolulu
|  Posted: 2004-01-13 12:16 am Permalink
Aloha ohana,
Being we have all da experts here, will you please jump in!!
Whats up with these 2 companys? ORRRRR, is HIP a part of Coco Joes? they resemble each other a lot ya.
If this subject is already covered in Tiki Quest sorry but I haven't stoped druling ova da pics yet so I'll get to da reading laterz.
If you get da kine that might not be in Dukes book or even if they are, I was just hoping to see some collections. I know it's a pain uploading pics but eh "swhy hod" ("dats too bad" in pigon). I hate it to. but heres a couple of mine.
anyways just wanted to see if you braddahz and sisstahz are HIP to collecting CoCo Joes.......dats my weak punch line.
I jus wen picked these up ova da weekend. I haven't seen this style in Tiki Quest. No year is stamped on....for my beer drinkerz, no born on date!
the bottom is made to look like wood
da base has 64 on da first tiki, 62 on da 2nd and nothing on da 3rd tiki??? know what that means?
4 of my original coco joe molds from 1968.
more pics to come later.
Live Aloha
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Trader Woody
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From: Tiki Manor, Forest of Bowland,UK
| Posted: 2004-01-13 08:16 am Permalink
Gecko,
From what I understand, Hip was indeed a part of Coco Joes. I'd love to elaborate, but that's about all I know about the subject!
Very cool molds, by the way.
Trader Woody
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boutiki
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| Posted: 2004-01-13 09:27 am Permalink
I have never seen or heard any evidence that HIP was part of Coco Joes. But that does not mean that it could not have been the case. I believe that Coco Joes was the first to make the "Lava" souviner Tikis. I think they began in the mid '60s. I think that HIP Tikis were being produced in the '70s. I think there is a rather distinct difference in the style, and a subtle difference in the manufacture between Coco Joes and HIP.
HIP stands for Hawaiian Island Products, and they also made a line of figurative gift statues of little kids. Sorta' like the Berry "I love you this much" figures, only scarier. They were a really poopy color brown and the ones I've seen were lightweight. They were hollow like Berry statues, but were not filled with sand.
Gecko, I've got peices that combine the Lava and Hapa wood (I think that's a great look) but I've never seen the ones you have there. Very cool! It looks like they added the Hapa wood base to their standard Tiki giving it a nice contrast with the color and texture.
Most of our Coco Joes are in Tiki Quest but I'll scan that Coco Joes catalogue and post it soon.
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emspace
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From: Vancouver
| Posted: 2004-01-13 10:06 am Permalink
Gecko, those are AWESOME! I've never seen lava/hapawood combo before, now I have something new to chase after! These 3 look like other Joes versions of Kane, Ku, and Kanaloa that I have, but that Hapawood base kills me! 
I've always wondered about HIP/Joe too, I figured they were in direct competition. sure looks like their approach and their artists were different.
You have MOLDS! that makes you the HIPpest Joes collector around (okay, that was my weak pun). Keep teh pics coming!
aloha,
em.
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8FT Tiki
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| Posted: 2004-01-13 10:32 am Permalink
Great find Gecko my boy! Is it possible that since no one else as yet has claimed to own any like these that you may have some prototypes that were not ever produced in mass quantities???? Love 'em!
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GECKO
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From: South Sea Arts Honolulu
| Posted: 2004-01-13 11:47 am Permalink
8FT Tiki, You really think so? that would be nice! Does anyone else here own some like these? Now you got me curious.
Boutiki, if you get a chance, put your hapa would combo on to so I can see which ones it is that I don't have.
Emspace, I'm no where near what some collectors here have in quantity! i just have a few good ones that make my collection seem good.
TW, thanks for what ya know. Dosen't seem like a whole lot know about the 2 dats why i ask.
a friend of mine has a bad ass panel from coco joes I'll post later.
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GECKO
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From: South Sea Arts Honolulu
| Posted: 2004-01-13 11:52 am Permalink
Actually I herd from another collector that Aquarj on TC has a sweet collection?
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aquarj
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| Posted: 2004-01-13 12:46 pm Permalink
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Thanks Gecko. Depending on who looks at them, the collection is either sweet or sour.
I've never seen those tikis you showed, at least not with the hapawood bases. I probably would've pooped my pants at the opportunity to go to the sale where those molds were available. I think I have tikis made from molds like the two you showed. If I'm thinking of the right one, the Kane one is usually made with "Alii Gold", which is dark brown - not hapawood and not lava. One of their oddball materials. They also made some from sand.
I'm almost positive that HIP and Cocojoes aren't the same. Especially since there are a few other brands that made the same kind of stuff. But I bet HIP and CJs are related somehow - my little pet theory is that HIP was like Arthur Lyman and Cocojoes was like Martin Denny, if you get the idea. Like some guy started out working with Cocojoes and then later quit and started HIP to make the same kind of stuff.
Wanted to post some pics a while back, on the "Cocojoes melting" thread, because there are examples of that bending problem in ALL the brands, not just CJs or HIP. I'll get to that...
-Randy
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GECKO
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From: South Sea Arts Honolulu
| Posted: 2004-01-13 10:39 pm Permalink
Aquarj,
Dats da best answer I've herd from that question. The Arthur Lymann, Martin Denny thing sounds about right.
Now I'm glad I picked those new ones up with the hapawood bottoms. I knew I had something when I never seen ones li'dat.
Mahaloz for da responce.
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Trader Woody
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From: Tiki Manor, Forest of Bowland,UK
| Posted: 2004-01-14 01:42 am Permalink
Hmmm, I was told a while back that Hip WAS part of Coco Joes, but I can't re-check my source. I assumed that they came out with HIP to appeal to the younger rat-fink inspired crowd because the normal Coco Joes stuff was mainly being bought by old-fart vacationers.
Perhaps there's a way of checking a list of businesses in Hawaii in the 70's?
Trader Woody
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Johnny Dollar
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| Posted: 2004-01-14 06:22 am Permalink
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On 2004-01-14 01:42, Trader Woody wrote:
Perhaps there's a way of checking a list of businesses in Hawaii in the 70's?
Trader Woody
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channel the spirit of jack lord?
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boutiki
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From: The fly-over states
| Posted: 2004-01-14 08:22 am Permalink
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Boutiki, if you get a chance, put your hapa would combo on to so I can see which ones it is that I don't have.
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Gecko,
Here is the photo of the Tiki with the Hapa wood base. Another piece with the Lava/Hapa is the ashtray on page182 of T.Q.
Did you get the three Tikis from your neighbor who went to the liquidation sale? I imagine that at that sale, there were some very cool and rare prototypes and odities. It would have been so cool to have been there!
Aquarj is right on about the Kane being made of Ali Gold, that's the only way I've ever seen it. It's in T.Q. on page 167, middle row, left. The other mold you show is for the Tiki on the top right of page 170. You need to find the Tikis that were made from those molds so you can display them side by side.
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Sweet Daddy Tiki
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From: Edmonton
| Posted: 2004-01-14 12:27 pm Permalink
Gecko, I think you should use the molds to make tiki icecubes for your next luau (provided it wouldn't damage the molds or make the ice taste funny), or maybe use them to shape butter or pate.
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Unga Bunga
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From: CaliTikifornia
| Posted: 2004-01-14 1:17 pm Permalink
Hi Gecko,
Here is an interesting page on how the HIP process is applied. I wonder if the word HIP (that was actually a molding process term) was just turned into the name of a company or Coco Joe's placed the word HIP on their items to identify the process manufacturing of the item(?)(Japan).
http://www.kobelco.co.jp/p109/05/p164_6e.htm
Here are some HIP Presses:
http://www.aiphip.com/WebPages/hip.htm
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suicide_sam
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From: LBC
| Posted: 2004-01-14 4:59 pm Permalink
my very first Tiki was a Kanaloa by Coco Joe, since then I have gotten lots of other Coco Joe's goodies inculding ash trays and napkin holders but I have never heard of HIP. Thats what I love about this stuff there's always something undiscovered to learn about.
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