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m. night shyamalan's "the village" (spoilers)
BaronV
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Posted: 2004-08-01 12:59 am   Permalink

WARNING: IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE MOVIE AND DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT ITS SECRETS, PLEASE STOP READING.

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Alright, i haven't seen the movie yet, but i must have a mutant power where i can figure out "the big secret" in this guy's flicks within 15 to 20 minutes.

(i fell asleep early on when watching "Signs," and haven't felt the urge to see it since so i guess i'm only 2 for 3.)

Okay, here's my big question(s) about "The Village."

i've only seen the on-line trailers and noted that Ebert gave it 1 star. i'm guessing that "the big secret" is something along the lines of:

a) the movie is NOT set in the 17th/18th century, but modern times (or the future). A situation where, generations ago, a group turned their backs on society - draft dodgers, Civil War vets wanting peace over butchery, Okies escaping the Dust Bowl of the Depression, post 9-11 survivors wanting to get back to basic - and set up this village.

b) the monster things are not real, but someone in the village using it as a scare tactic to keep the villagers in line.

Anyone out there seen it and will confirm/deny my
lame-@ss ramblings?

[Edited by Hanford to add extra spoiler warnings]

[ This Message was edited by: hanford_lemoore on 2004-08-01 02:56 ]


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hanford_lemoore
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Posted: 2004-08-01 03:04 am   Permalink

I saw it last night. You're right but you're missing one important plot point: The town elders made a deal with the devil to basically live forever, but the rest of the town does not know this.

Okay I made that up. I just have to say that if you see his movies JUST for the plot twists, then you'll be disappointed. But even though the ending can be seen from a million miles away, I enjoyed the movie, and have been thinking about it and discussing it all day. I actually think the earlier you discover the trick ending, the more you'll enjoy it.


 
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tikifish
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Posted: 2004-08-01 7:12 pm   Permalink

YOU ARE CORRECT SIR!

Ok, I will stop chanelling Ed McMahon, and say... saw it last night. Wasn't too surprised by the 'twist'. I hadn't figured it out for sure but when it was revealed I was not in the least bit surprised. My husband figured it out right away. However, it is still an entertaining film, I enjoyed it. Nicely shot, good soundtrack, not a waste of my film going dollar by any means...


 
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hanford_lemoore
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Posted: 2004-08-01 7:51 pm   Permalink

I guess my real question is who slaughtered all the animals during the wedding? Was it Noah? There's the scene with Weaver and Hurt talking back-to-back; talking about what killed them. That didn't make too much sense to me.

~Hanford


 
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tikifish
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Posted: 2004-08-01 8:59 pm   Permalink

Yeah, it was Noah. There was some scene that alluded to that with his parents figuring it out...

 
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Satan's Sin
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Posted: 2004-08-02 12:10 am   Permalink

The entire plot is posted on "Ain't It Cool News" --

Seems like a very cheap "reveal." "Sixth Sense" was so cool, one of the best -- if not the best -- "trick" endings I've ever seen. Then "Unbreakable" movie was so freakin' boring, so freakin' unimaginative. Then "Signs" so cheap (plot wise). And now this. M. Knight as Disney's dancing bear (please throw us some quarters!).

Box office for "Village" shows dropoff in biz from Fri to Sat nights. That means everyone's telling their buddies "this was a gyp." B.O. always jumps from Fri to Sat for a true hit.

I saw "Manchurian Candidate" instead. Some parts are nice, very nice. Some parts are boring, very boring. Don't worry about getting more popcorn during these scenes, you won't miss anything. Recommeded? Yes. When it comes on HBO.
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hanford_lemoore
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Posted: 2004-08-02 01:04 am   Permalink

Quote:
On 2004-08-01 20:59, tikifish wrote:
Yeah, it was Noah. There was some scene that alluded to that with his parents figuring it out...



Yeah I caught the part about him finding the costume, but not the reference to him cutting up the livestock.

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On 2004-08-02 00:10, Satan's Sin wrote:And now this.



Don't let the negitive press or the over-hype get to you, SS. Don't succumb to the fanboys on AICN to decide for you whether or not the movie is any good. If you're a AICN regular it would be pretty hard to go see the movie without thinking it is going to suck, but I do think there are redeeming things in the film. Just not the ending. Actually Knowing the twist makes the ending less of a let down, in my opinion.


 
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Satan's Sin
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Posted: 2004-08-02 09:56 am   Permalink

Actually, it was Roger Ebert who put the kibosh on it for me. He usually likes everything, and the fact that he gave a thumbs down to this one was an eye-opener. He even called the "reveal" --- "just one step up from 'it was all a dream.'"

My understanding is that M. Night actually appears at the end as one of the characters. True? And that he "explains" away some of the loose ends. True?

In the old Hollywood, when screenwriters had to resort to creating a character to state bald exposition to the audience, they would derisively call this character "Irving, the Explainer."

I'll watch it when it comes on HBO. But this HAS been a pretty dry year for good movies, hasn't it?

Last good movie I saw was on TCM -- "The Nun's Story," starring Audrey Hepburn. Now how weird is that? No monsters, no fate-of-the-world-in-the-balance, no CGI, just Audrey Hepburn's triumphs and sorrows as a nun. Absolutely riveting. Every single bit of it. How WEIRD is that?


 
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Geeky Tiki
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Posted: 2004-08-02 11:22 am   Permalink

Saw it last night.

It struck me more as an Outer Limits episode than a feature presentation.

It had a cool cameo by the guy who played the killer in that Sandra Bullock movie about the killer teenagers.

The Pianist guy did a good job, and Sigourney is a premanently attractive woman. She and Susan Sarandon.

William Hurt did a good job, too.

The evil Roman Emperor from Gladiator did nicely as well.

This will be a good rental candidate. While you watch and eat popcorn, you can chat about how the movie might end.


 
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tikifish
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Posted: 2004-08-02 11:27 am   Permalink

There was this point in the film, if I recall, when Noah's parents go 'but what about the animals?' and then they look at each other, horrified, so you know they relized it was him. Something like that...

 
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DaneTiki
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Posted: 2004-08-02 1:35 pm   Permalink

Ok, I'll do a Jesse Helms and weigh in on this, even though I haven't seen it or any other MNS movie. It seems to me that the whole problem with his oevre is that the plots could easily support a Twilight Zone/Outer Limits/Tales from the Dark Side TV presentation, but asking people to sit through a 2 hour feature film for one twist ending is asking a lot.

Now that there are 4 MNS movies to see, I might consider renting the other three and seeing this one in the theater, just to get his style down. Especially if I'm in some kind of horrible accident/shark attack, and the doctor recommends that I not see anything intellectually stimulating.



 
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johntiki
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Posted: 2004-08-03 5:59 pm   Permalink

This discussion of twist endings got me thinking about this movie "Jacob's Ladder" (1990) - that was one of the first movies I really remember that used the twist ending to its advantage!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099871/
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mattfink
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Posted: 2004-08-04 07:16 am   Permalink

M. Knight Shama-LAME!!! I agree that sixth sense was good, but I still saw it coming. There were too many clues in the movie not to figure it out...

 
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tikifish
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Posted: 2004-08-04 09:24 am   Permalink

Were there clues in the Village that would have let you figure out they were not living in the 1800's? I am curious if there were. I didn't catch them.


 
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Posted: 2004-08-04 10:53 am   Permalink

William Hurt was seen wearing a digital watch.


And there was the part where Sigourney Weaver uses the patented Juiceman. I don't think that was invented yet.




For me, the biggest clue was someone going to town for medicine. In the olden days, they'd just pray and apply leeches!


(I didn't see the movie.)


 
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