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Rodetiki's stuff, Another sketch pg. 22 10/20/05
Aaron's Akua
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Posted: 2004-08-19 2:05 pm   Permalink

Rodeotiki,

The sketch looks great. I'm no expert, but here's a few things I've figured out about half way through my first wood tiki. I started out by outlining the whole design on the outer surface of the log, then began to go deeper and deeper, maintaining the "sketch" outlines as I went. I know now that this was a waste of time. I've developed a plan for the next one (take this with a grain of salt and do whatever works well for you):
1) start with a 2-view sketch (front and side views).
2) Try to "profile" the log out using the side view.
3) From the front, start with the most prominent and "highest" features (nose, eyebrows, etc.)
4) Once these are fairly set, make a smooth level surface for the next series of cuts (lips, ears, etc.
5) Teeth will be last, cause they are the deepest.
6) Save the real detailing for last, or it will just end up getting carved away.

No point in outlining/carving the deep stuff til you bring the log down to that level. And its best to go deep, deep, deep! Having looked through most of the beginner posts, I think the most common beginner mistake is to make the design too shallow.

Another thing I learned is that the sketch need not be too detailed. It all gets tweeked as you go, & there's no use spending a huge amount of time making a super precise sketch. Benzart's right - they all look like sh*t at different stages, but it all comes together in the end. Take your time, and most importantly have fun!

I'm just a beginner, but thought I'd share my observations so far. Take it for what it's worth. Am I on track? I'll soon find out on my next carving. Any other TC'ers have tips or thoughts to share on the "roughing-out" process?

I know what you mean about getting hooked. Tiki carving is highly addictive.

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Benzart
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Posted: 2004-08-19 3:27 pm   Permalink

Hey Aarons Akua,, you should be a teacher man, I may learn a thing or two as you are learning if you keep up this kind of explaination. You described that very well. Hurry up and get to the next stage so we can hear some more.
Rodeotiki, it depends on the bur. Wood is softer than metal so the bur doesn't wear as fast as on metal, but it Loads up with compressed wood dust and then it heads up and that kills the bur. Some burs are Stone and they are not great for wood.
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Octane
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Posted: 2004-08-19 9:48 pm   Permalink

Aaron's Akua did an excellent job. he is right about begginers and the fear to go deep, don't worry about going too deep.

something i tell myself everyonce and a while is mistakes aren't problems but just another/different oppurtunity to due the same thing. there aren't alot of mistakes that are tiki ending, so just go with the flow.

some things i due.

1) take the bark off the log, then sand up the log if rough so you are working with a clean surface.

2) find the center of the log and draw a center line down the log to keep features centered and to give you a easier time getting both side the same size.

3)find your insperation/idea for the tiki draw him out on the log. i draw out the whole thing even if there are parts that will be removed because they are lower. i do this just to make sure the paportions look right.

4) after drawing out the guy, i draw arrows or write note to my self, saying stuff like slants down (with an arrow showing which direction is down) or other little note that help while carving are reveal the difference in leves and features.

5)Make sure you have all your tools, and they are sharp.

6) start at the highest feature, the nose or what ever, as eveerything else will be lower then this (most likely, but it depends on the tiki. this feature will set the height for the rest.

7)start chipping/grinding/dremeling away. Aaron's Akua said go deep but that doesn't mean you have to take it all off at once, take that depth with layors.

take your time, i hate sanding so i go slow and make everything as close to perfect as i can, so i wont have to go back over it with sand paper in the end.

9) if there is fine detail like tatuing or simular i sand the areas, to make them all nice and smoth before doing those details, and then sand again lightly after the detail has been done.

10) Sanding this is something i hate and try to get done as fast as possible, but you should really take your time, even sometimes when you think your done and ready for stain or clear coat, put the tiki down and look at it again the next day and you can sometime find places you missed.

11) once it is all finished show many pictures here on TC so everyone can see you progress and your creations.


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rodeotiki
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Posted: 2004-08-20 10:29 am   Permalink

thanks again. When you say start with the nose, you mean because it sticks out the most? so I would take down the wood around the outside. right? This is so much harder than I thought. It is so much fun though.
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Aaron's Akua
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Posted: 2004-08-20 11:44 am   Permalink

You got it, buddy! Start w/ the nose and parts that will protrude the most & get it all looking the way you want, except don't take it to the "Nth degree". You can finish everything up at the end. Carve around the nose and lower all of the surrounding area. Do you want the nose flat, or do you want some curvature? Take care of all of this in the first stage before moving on to eyes, lips, etc.

Next, take the adjacent surfaces down to the level that you want, then smooth them out & reapply the sketch lines & start on the eyes or other stuff. Now, anything that wants to protrude should be outlined out & left at the higher level for later carving & detailing. Example: I want the eyes to ďpopĒ a little, so I outlined them, then lowered all of the surrounding area between the outline of the eyes and the outline of the nose. Later, Iíll come back to the eyes and put some eyeball curve to them and detail them out.

I think its all about getting the rough features first, then coming back to make it all look smooth, nice, and add detail. This is the stage where it all looks like sh*t, and you just need to be patient, knowing that youíll get really excited at the end when it all comes together.

I think itís great that youíre posting your progress as you go. Keep it up & Iím sure others will put in their $0.02 as you go. It is a blast, isnít it? Lots of good Karma flowing here at TC!

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rodeotiki
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Posted: 2004-08-20 12:43 pm   Permalink

Thanks alot arron. For my first on I think I want a flat nose. Im just going to remove all material around the nose, mouth and eyes and then add detail later. Your right it is a blast. There are so many talented artist here, it's cool they will give advice to someone who's just getting started. Heres some progress

heres another , I spent maybe 3-4 hours in total, still a long way togo.


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Octane
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Posted: 2004-08-20 9:27 pm   Permalink

looking good so far, i have found TC carvers to be great with the amount of help the provide, so if you ever have a question, there will be someone here that can most likely answer it.

just some constructive advice: remeber don't be affriad to go deep, it will really help make your feature pop out and will show depth and demenision.


 
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rodeotiki
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Posted: 2004-08-23 1:17 pm   Permalink

heres a new picture, I am following the advice and others and going deeper. It is starting to show some personality. Theres no stopping now!! If I could only find away to do this at my desk at work and while I sleep I'd be in heaven.

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Posted: 2004-08-23 1:44 pm   Permalink

I was at Lowes today and they have the 1/4"Kutzall carbide bits in red (course) and Blue(fine) for less than $15 I think
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Posted: 2004-08-25 5:33 pm   Permalink

Rodeo, thats not bad for a first, Some of the other firsts are better but yours is more like Mine was. You must have used the same pictures for yours as I did..
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Posted: 2004-08-25 9:02 pm   Permalink

not bad for a first, it looks like a tiki and you learned at least 4 things, so all in all i would say that it is a success.

 
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Aaron's Akua
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Posted: 2004-08-25 10:27 pm   Permalink

Not bad, Rodeotiki. Can't wait to see the next. Sounds like you've definitely got the carving bug now. Keep us posted.
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Posted: 2004-08-25 11:06 pm   Permalink

Just had to add this link to the final piece.

http://www.tikiroom.com/tikicentral/bb/viewtopic.php?topic=10586&forum=7&3
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Posted: 2004-08-26 6:17 pm   Permalink

Here is the finished product. Things I have learned:
1- slivers hurt, you never get them all
2- I need more patience, lots more..
3- TIKI is highly addictive
4- I have lots to learn, theres only room to improve.

Thanks everyone for the kind words and great tips, the second piece of wood is now calling me!!


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Posted: 2004-09-06 7:05 pm   Permalink

Heres my second attempt. Still have some work to do and Im not sure what type of finish I am going to use. Also heres a shot of my first, much to my surprise my wife didnt banish him to the yard. She even bought a plant for his head.




 
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