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Flounder - Someone's ripping you off |
Trader Woody
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Mar 25, 2002
Posts: 2301
From: Tiki Manor, Forest of Bowland,UK
|  Posted: 2004-12-02 6:13 pm Permalink
Just found someone selling these prints on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2001&item=3943638373&rd=1
As I've got the original painting 2 yards away from me, I'm wondering whats going on. Who are these people? Prints were never made from this, right?
Trader Woody
[ This Message was edited by: Trader Woody on 2004-12-02 18:14 ]
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FLOUNDERart
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Sep 02, 2003
Posts: 1140
From: Orlando Florida
| Posted: 2004-12-02 9:05 pm Permalink
Man this guy is probably making more money off my art than I am. Al (Alnshely)
told me that the guy is selling them in an antique store in Honolulu as well.
This was the first mug painting as well as on of the first tiki paintings I did. I sold it on ebay about 4-5 years ago.
He contacted me about a year after he had bought the painting and asked for permision to make prints. I said no but I guess he didn't like that answer.
Sorry Woody, I painted more than one but I painted yours with love. LOL
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Hale Tiki
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Oct 19, 2004
Posts: 1404
From: Pittsburgh
| Posted: 2004-12-02 9:08 pm Permalink
And the one with love is the most important of all.
Contact ebay. They'll put his membership on hold. Then, contact him, or ebay, find out how many he's sold on ebay, and demand part or all of the money, being that its your design, your painting, your signature. A buddy of mine took someone to small claims court for putting his photograph on t-shirts, and ended up with $5,000 after lawyers fees.
Get on his ass man!
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Lake Surfer
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Joined: Oct 21, 2002
Posts: 3308
From: Milwaukee, WI
| Posted: 2004-12-02 10:11 pm Permalink
One more reason why I dislike Ebay...
Ebay encourages ripoff artists like this...
Tear 'em apart Flounder!
[ This Message was edited by: Lake Surfer on 2004-12-03 10:10 ]
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yumyumkid
Tiki Centralite
Joined: Oct 05, 2004
Posts: 93
From: Northern FL
| Posted: 2004-12-02 10:24 pm Permalink
I love eBay, but it's a real shame when you see people pull a stunt like this. Take him down if you can.
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Johnny Dollar
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Joined: Oct 01, 2003
Posts: 2916
From: Baltimore, Maryland, PNG
| Posted: 2004-12-03 07:05 am Permalink
hey flounder, i bought these at the post office yesterday...
you can show them who's disgruntled!!!
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ToonToonz
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Mar 15, 2004
Posts: 139 | Posted: 2004-12-03 07:18 am Permalink
To all my original art I sell I usually add a piece of paper (sometimes glued to back of work) that says to the effect that: "Yes, you own this original art, but no you can not copy it, make copies or it or sell copies of it. I retain the copyright to the work of art."
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I had an art show opening a couple of weeks ago and an elderly gentleman (over 70) came up to me and was showing me a notebook full of all the fake postage stamps he was making from the thumbnails of my art he took from my website! He would then glue these "postage stamps" to "official" postage stamp collector´s pages and sell them at stamp collection fairs as collector foreign stamps.
He wanted me to autograph them all so he could get a higher price for them!
I told him to stop it immediately and destroy them all. He acted like he did not know what he was doing was illegal.
Not only was he stealing my art, but he was trying to pass it off to stamp collectors as stamps from foreign countries.
Amazing what people will do....
Then after that a guy came up and told me how he had bought one of my paintings a year before and printed up 500 postcards with my painting on it and sent them out to all his friends. ARRRRRRRRRGggghhhh!!!!
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virani
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Joined: Sep 17, 2003
Posts: 1434
From: Volcanic area of France
| Posted: 2004-12-03 08:05 am Permalink
How many paintings did you do of each models ?
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tikifreak
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Joined: Jan 15, 2003
Posts: 253
From: Jacksonville Beach FL
| Posted: 2004-12-03 09:38 am Permalink
Lake, from that comment I guess we should expect to NEVER see your tikis on eBay right? I would hope not after a comment like that! No offense to you dude, but...are you sure your not pre-maturely cutting yourself off from a rather inexpensive worldwide advertising market to turn some off your stuff before even trying it?
eBay is not the only way or place to sell your stuff, so please don't get me wrong.
Lake, not everyone who aquires it's service is an offspring of other rip-off artist that happen to use the service.......so why should the people that use it properly be penalized in your eyes for things others have wrongly done. Does this make "me" and others on this forum who use eBay look bad to you? I just want to know......
I understand it's your own opinion and that's cool, but I say don't knock-it before you try it...
No offense Dave,
G.
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tikifreak
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Jan 15, 2003
Posts: 253
From: Jacksonville Beach FL
| Posted: 2004-12-03 09:47 am Permalink
Sorry Flounder about the problem. I hope you get it straightened out. Legal matters can pre-vail.
G.
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Mike the Headhunter
Grand Member (5 years) 
Joined: May 24, 2004
Posts: 189
From: Wastelands of western NC
| Posted: 2004-12-03 09:48 am Permalink
*Devil's advocate* You sell your art, the original. Why should you even be able keep any creative control over it after it is no longer your property? You created it yes, but as an artist you sold it to the highest bidder or gave it away to a friend(which I can agree would give you say). I just don't like the idea of not having full ownership of something if you to buy it from the creator. Copyright laws are a headache, but again why should a person who sold the art retain any control after they sold the original. Don't get me wrong I love flounders art and like the idea of getting something back for what you put into it
(emotional, monetary, celebrity,ect...). Just my interpertation of things over a cup of coffee.
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Lake Surfer
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Joined: Oct 21, 2002
Posts: 3308
From: Milwaukee, WI
| Posted: 2004-12-03 10:08 am Permalink
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On 2004-12-03 09:38, tikifreak wrote:
Lake, from that comment I guess we should expect to NEVER see your tikis on eBay right? I would hope not after a comment like that! No offense to you dude, but...are you sure your not pre-maturely cutting yourself off from a rather inexpensive worldwide advertising market to turn some off your stuff before even trying it?
eBay is not the only way or place to sell your stuff, so please don't get me wrong.
Lake, not everyone who aquires it's service is an offspring of other rip-off artist that happen to use the service.......so why should the people that use it properly be penalized in your eyes for things others have wrongly done. Does this make "me" and others on this forum who use eBay look bad to you? I just want to know......
I understand it's your own opinion and that's cool, but I say don't knock-it before you try it...
No offense Dave,
G.
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Gary... I'm not saying anything against any artist here or otherwise who sells on Ebay... its not my cup of tea and I don't like how situations like this arise with people's art work. Someone is making money from Flounder's original artwork without his approval. Its not a copy, or a close resemblence... it is his artwork and his signature appears in the reproduction.
We've seen so many original pieces of art duplicated and sold on Ebay to unknowing buyers...
No offense to you if you want to sell there and no it doesn't make you look like a ripoff artist...
I guess seeing this and meeting Flounder in person really set me off on this topic... he deserves better and is a very talented artist.
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Raffertiki
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Oct 31, 2003
Posts: 1527
From: L.I.
| Posted: 2004-12-03 10:36 am Permalink
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| You sell your art, the original. Why should you even be able keep any creative control over it after it is no longer your property? You created it yes, but as an artist you sold it to the highest bidder or gave it away to a friend(which I can agree would give you say). I just don't like the idea of not having full ownership of something if you to buy it from the creator. |
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It's called intellectual property law. Do you really think someone who buys a painting, for say $100, has the right to reproduce it as prints, bedsheets, underoos, or anything else, making wads of money? Do you really not understand how this is detrimental to the artist?
This attitude is why artists have historically been screwed.
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tikifreak
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Jan 15, 2003
Posts: 253
From: Jacksonville Beach FL
| Posted: 2004-12-03 10:43 am Permalink
I agree with what you are saying totally Lake and Flounder deserves all the support. I understand all that.
My point was to hope you could see what I was trying to say to YOU about marketing your stuff. Just trying to help.
Lake I guess I should have expressed myself to you privately. We've had good conversation about this kind of thing and I was just hoping to open your eyes to something that just happens to work great for me. Just tried to get you to peek around the blinders is all.....You can lead a horse to the water, but you can't make him drink it kinda thing.
I understand it's not your cup of tea, and I respect that, just like offering my stuff for sale through the use of Tiki Central and the forums is not my cup of tea.....
Ok. I'm done.
Nice little clean 2-4ft swell here the last couple of days. Wish you could of got some.
G.
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FLOUNDERart
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Joined: Sep 02, 2003
Posts: 1140
From: Orlando Florida
| Posted: 2004-12-03 11:06 am Permalink
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On 2004-12-03 10:08, Lake Surfer wrote:
I guess seeing this and meeting Flounder in person really set me off on this topic... he deserves better and is a very talented artist.
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I deserve nothing except for spankings from many naughty naughty women.
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