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Would you prefer Tiki as 'mainstream' or 'underground'?
Polly_Nesia
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From: California
Posted: 2016-06-21 5:34 pm   Permalink

Interesting thread started what more than a decade ago. First time reading through it. Wish we had some way to like posts. Found myself agreeing with many. Not sure a whole lot has changed in the decade. Seen places close and get torn down, occasionally hear about something new but it's not like the old style. Do agree that the culture of people has changed. Back in the 60s there was a more neighborhood vibe and shared backyard meals and fun. Our neighbors pretty much come home in time for dinner and drive into their garages. Might see at the mailbox or out with their kids sometimes. We like to do up halloween for the trick or treaters and that's probably when I see more neighbors than any other time. Our HOA early on did a bbq for everyone but hasn't in years. Food costs have gone up so much I don't think people feel comfortable hosting. And the cost of liquor is way up as well as tropical cocktail ingredients. Same applies to restaurant dining.

If Tiki got a resurgence, it would need to be appealing to a whole new crowd to amount to anything I'm afraid. I do think love of old tiki and the "new" tiki could co-exist. Not sure how to start a groundswelling for it but venture to say it's got to be a commercial start of some sort...movies, fashion, music, hot new food and drink trends. I think much of the fascination for tiki with the public back in the 50-60s had to do with Hawaii becoming a new State. It was exciting what with the volcanoes and surf and tropical plants and music. With the internet maybe people are less taken by the exotic locales and cultures. I don't see today's youth as being collectors of much of anything. Homes/apartments are trending smaller so no room for rows of tiki glasses on the shelves or hosting parties.

Personally we are not big into tiki at our house; but ever since as a little elementary school kid in Ohio seeing a major department store bring in a Hawaiian actress/hulu dancer for an event on the tropics they were hosting, I knew when I grew up my life would have elements of tropical and tiki culture. Back in the 70s my in-laws took us to a restaurant/bar in Chicago for dinner, maybe Kon Tiki Ports not sure. But I had never seen anything like it. I remember a flowing stream in the middle of the restaurant that you had to cross a bridge to get to some of the seating. The air was a bit humid, tropical plants everywhere and the giant tiki statutes just created such an all round mesmerizing experience. Big Peacock chairs, cocktails with beautiful garnishments and cool stirrers. Not sure what we ate or drank but I was totally into the look and feel. So much to look at, a feast for the eyes. Well got married in Hawaii on the beach sometime ago and after many years finally getting ready to add decorative touches to our palm tree backyard here on the mainland. Waiting for a delivery of a carved tiki mask and some carved luau torches as I write. Now my other half is a minimalist and likes contemporary so I've been already advised not to "junk it up" with lots of stuff. So I'm kind of alone in this. I can only think of one friend of ours that has a palapa pool bar that embraces the tiki look. Our Hawaiian neighbor doesn't even decorate outside in this fashion. Closest we get to a tiki bar/restaurant in our immediate area is a surf bar/restaurant.

So I would be happy for mainstream tiki influences because I think more people would be on board and open to it. I have some commercial stuff in the tiki vein that I've collected for our home but thanks to searching TC out and hanging here off and on and seeing more handmade crafts, I also have a prized hand-carved album frame bought from a member here and soon will have several carved tiki items. It does trickle down.


 
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AceExplorer
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From: Deep in the Jacksonville Florida jungle.
Posted: 2016-06-22 06:08 am   Permalink

Polly Nesia - I can relate to the challenge of having received directions from my spouse also to "not junk it up." We bought a new home a few years ago with a nice breakfast nook which is now a nice wet bar area. Early on I was asked not to "junk it up" with puffer fish lamps and float lamps. I had to laugh, I know what she meant, she just didn't want to destroy the nice classic and open interior look of the home with a prominent corner area full of bric-a-brac. So I'm very careful with what I do -- mostly nothing has been done yet to the walls because I am starting with a lighting plan and will build around that. But I do have a number of tikis around.

I think you're right - the tiki of old is hard to find, but it is out there. I dream of a tiny little intimate bar, smaller even than the Tiki Ti in Los Angeles, were a handful of people can just chill with the bartenders and go on tropical drink journeys by ordering from a diverse menu. But for these places to open, and to remain open, they most often have to be larger and have to appeal to more modern tastes. So we go to places like the Molokai Bar, Tiki Ti, and others, or we just build little tiki temples in our homes and make the best of what we have out in the real world.

On the topic of home bars, I like to envision a network of nice home tiki bars in our communities, and where tiki enthusiasts can visit each other and share good times and good drinks. I'm an advocate of bringing back cocktail parties, as are a number of others here on Tiki Central.

Cheers to you!


 
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King Bushwich the 33rd
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Posted: 2016-08-04 12:07 am   Permalink

So Tiki Oasis 2016 sells out weeks before the event begins. There some significance to that, isn't there?
Some sort of turning point? Kind of like when the Ramones or X went from playing clubs to larger venues?

Although I gotta say that I am glad that the result of all the work that the Von Stroheim Family has put into the event has resulted in increasing success!


 
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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2016-08-04 07:26 am   Permalink

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On 2016-08-04 00:07, King Bushwich the 33rd wrote:
So Tiki Oasis 2016 sells out weeks before the event begins. There some significance to that, isn't there?
Some sort of turning point?



Is this an indication that tiki will remain around for at least another generation? I think it is.

I wonder, though, at what point would we be able to say that the current tiki revival exceeds the popularity of the original tiki heyday? That could technically happen, but not in the exact same way that had a huge number of tropical/tiki restaurants and bars across the country, themed hotels and motels, and exotica bands playing big and ritzy venues. Interesting...


 
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Loki-Tiki
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Posted: 2016-08-04 12:03 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2016-08-04 07:26, AceExplorer wrote:
Quote:

On 2016-08-04 00:07, King Bushwich the 33rd wrote:
So Tiki Oasis 2016 sells out weeks before the event begins. There some significance to that, isn't there?
Some sort of turning point?



Is this an indication that tiki will remain around for at least another generation? I think it is.

I wonder, though, at what point would we be able to say that the current tiki revival exceeds the popularity of the original tiki heyday? That could technically happen, but not in the exact same way that had a huge number of tropical/tiki restaurants and bars across the country, themed hotels and motels, and exotica bands playing big and ritzy venues. Interesting...



Well it does sell out every year (except maybe for the first couple of events when it was in PS), not just this year. Also, though Tiki is the main theme, the Stroheim's market it to a wide crowd: Rockabiliy, Rat Rod, and of course Tiki as well as others, there is a wide variety of attendees. People I never see at any other event like Caliente, or other even smaller events, and will not see again until next Oasis. I've not been to Hukilau, Tiki Kon, or Viva Las Vegas so I have no sense of the size of the crowd there, but by the pictures it looks like they are much smaller events, attendee-wise, and my sense is that those are targeted to that crowd more exclusively.

So no, I don't necessarily think its selling out of tickets indicates a particular resurgence of the Tiki or Polynesian Pop. It is well marketed, and well produced. Show people a good time and they come back!


 
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King Bushwich the 33rd
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Posted: 2017-04-27 3:33 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2016-08-04 00:07, King Bushwich the 33rd wrote:
So Tiki Oasis 2016 sells out weeks before the event begins. There some significance to that, isn't there?
Some sort of turning point? Kind of like when the Ramones or X went from playing clubs to larger venues?

Although I gotta say that I am glad that the result of all the work that the Von Stroheim Family has put into the event has resulted in increasing success!



All but the most expensive tickets sold out for Tiki Oasis 2017 the day they went on sale! Is Tiki Oasis the next Coachella?

But again, I am glad that the result of all the work that the Von Stroheim Family has put into the event has resulted in increasing success!



 
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Hakalugi
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Posted: 2017-04-27 5:17 pm   Permalink

Maybe it's time for Tiki Oasis to take over Shelter Island...

 
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Luckydesigns
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Posted: 2017-04-27 5:24 pm   Permalink

Crazy, isn't it? Though it would be a shame to leave the Crown Plaza/ Hanalei, I'd have to imagine that they are considering alternative locations for the event now... Financially, it would just make sense. Isn't there a tropical themed hotel in Vegas?

This isn't the place that I was thinking about but there's this -->
www.tahitivillage.com
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AceExplorer
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Posted: 2017-04-28 06:25 am   Permalink

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On 2017-04-27 17:24, Luckydesigns wrote:
Isn't there a tropical themed hotel in Vegas?



You reminded me of my repeat stays at the old Las Vegas Tropicana many many years ago before the tiki revival. Wow, what a great place, I have many memories there, and now it's gone.

And thanks for the tip on Tahiti Village!


 
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Luckydesigns
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Posted: 2017-04-28 09:21 am   Permalink

Upon rethinking it, if such a move was made, a lot would have to change about Tiki Oasis... I doubt any other hotel would be okay with the round-the-clock debauchery and the tens of people packed into gutted hotel rooms to listen to live bands... The deal with Crown Plaza is a pretty good one.
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lucas vigor
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Posted: 2017-04-28 10:25 am   Permalink

I still think paradise point in mission bay would be an excellent location. The former vacation village.

 
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TheClamsCasino
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Posted: 2017-04-29 2:37 pm   Permalink

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On 2017-04-28 09:21, Luckydesigns wrote:
Upon rethinking it, if such a move was made, a lot would have to change about Tiki Oasis...



True, but let's face it- it has wildly outgrown the Crown. If the rooms can sell out in around 5 minutes, then the demand is far too great and a larger hotel needs to be found. Even if it loses some of the chaos that made it what it is.
Booking a room and attending an event shouldn't induce anxiety just trying to go to it...


 
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Cammo
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Posted: 2017-05-03 07:37 am   Permalink

The problem isn't that Tiki has gone mainstream; the people attending Oasis now aren't really into Tiki, they just heard this is a fun event and want to come. Most of the newcomers barely dress up.

The Paradise Point property is WAY too expensive for something like this. They wouldn't put up with the shenanigans either.

Other hotels don't need a festival, they're already booked solid for the summer. I believe Otto was turned down a few times before selecting the Hanalei. I go to there a few days before Oasis starts and it's barely booked; it's empty. They need Oasis.

Going to Las Vegas might be the only alternative, but there just aren't any Tiki-specific hotels there anymore. And again, they don't really need the bookings these days, Vegas is a giant wild party on most summer weekends.

So I sure don't have an answer and don't know WHAT I'd do if I was Otto! He needs to make this bigger but there aren't really any alternatives!


 
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tikiskip
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Posted: 2017-05-03 09:43 am   Permalink

Bigger is not always better and most of the time worst.
Kahiki got bigger with the egg roll thing and the egg rolls are still
sellin but the Kahiki is gone.

Quote Kahiki website...
"Before long, Kahiki Frozen Foods took on a life of its own. As sales and popularity grew, it became obvious to Michael and Alice that their attention needed to shift. They made the decision to close the Kahiki so they could devote their time to a growing frozen enterprise."

Thank god they got rid of that dreadful restaurant so we could get more of that frozen Kahiki crap food.

Thanks Michael Tsao you were as the website says "A visionary"
I don't hate the Tsao's as much as it sounds and kind of understand what they did but it was not a win for most of us.

The coolest tiki bar may be the Tiki Ti and it is also the smallest Tiki bar for sure.
Tiki Ti grow it and blow it I say.

Trader Vic's grew before it is where it is now as a company, sucksville.

So if you need more money you do need to grow, but get that money in the bank cuz that growth just may kill it in the end.

Side note: it's funny to see how events or groups that shun Tiki Central come running right back when they are no longer on top and need some quick free publicity and anybody somebody to come fund the tiki product they are sellin.


 
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EnchantedTikiGoth
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From: Calgary, Canada
Posted: 2017-05-03 9:55 pm   Permalink

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On 2017-05-03 09:43, tikiskip wrote:
Bigger is not always better and most of the time worst.



I don't have a particular dog in this fight because I don't even make the attempt to go to Tiki Oasis, but I'm reading about it's popularity and can't disagree with you here. I have the feeling like a bigger hotel would just mean MORE rooms sell out in five minutes. Or maybe they could stretch it out to six minutes before they sell out. I guess it'd be great for that many more people, but is that many more people necessarily creating a better experience?

I dunno'... For me, the size alone would be enough to keep me away. Not because I'm too hip or whatever, but simply because I'm not really fond of large crowds of people, especially if they're drunken and engaged in shenanigans. If I was ever put in charge of an event, I'd want to keep it small and low key, and if it sells out in five minutes, great. But that's just me. The Social Drinking Introverts Tiki Convention 2018.


 
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