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bananabobs
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Joined: Feb 16, 2003
Posts: 824 |  Posted: 2005-04-27 9:11 pm Permalink
So what I think I hear most of you say is, if Hollywood wants to create smut, sex, immorality, gore and trash, who are these people who want to remove crap from movies for their own viewing or for thoses who are like minded. Are you any different for being offended by their actions, They are offended by Hollywood, your offend by them.
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shouldn't the parents be keeping their children from watching "adult" subject matter and not the state or corporations? What ever happened to good old fashioned parenting? |
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I think that most right wing untra conservative, evangelicals, do just that.
I do.
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TikiGardener
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| Posted: 2005-04-27 9:30 pm Permalink
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On 2005-04-27 21:11, bananabobs wrote:
So what I think I hear most of you say is, if Hollywood wants to create smut, sex, immorality, gore and trash, who are these people who want to remove crap from movies for their own viewing or for thoses who are like minded. Are you any different for being offended by their actions, They are offended by Hollywood, your offend by them.
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shouldn't the parents be keeping their children from watching "adult" subject matter and not the state or corporations? What ever happened to good old fashioned parenting? |
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I think that most right wing untra conservative, evangelicals, do just that.
I do.
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Why watch something if you have to gut it of things you find offensive, thereby reducing the artistic merit and content?
Leave my smut,sex, immorality ( according to you ) gore and trash ALONE.
If you want happy bunny land, don't rent Kill Bill.
And I wonder if they will edit that gorefest that was The Passion of The Christ.
And the problem is that the Ultra Conservatives seem to be the ones who want to rob me of my Ultra-Violence.
By the by, porn is as big if not bigger in terms of making money than hollywood. Wheres the support for the "free market"?
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TikiGardener
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| Posted: 2005-04-27 9:40 pm Permalink
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On 2005-04-27 21:11, bananabobs wrote:
Are you any different for being offended by their actions, They are offended by Hollywood, your offend by them.
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Yes I am different than them. I have not attempted to have "christian movies" edited of content I find offending.
I haven't treid to get laws passed to remove certain religious tomes removed becuase of content that is offending to me. Try passages about people should be stoned to death for picking up sticks on sunday. Or if you conquer a people, kill all the men, but keep the women for yourselves.
So when they remove Kapote from the public libraries in Talabama, will that book with stories of rape,murder, incest and a plethora of other "objectionable" acts be removed also?
Books are burning
In the main square, and I saw there
The first eating the text
Books are burning
In the still air
And you know where they burn books
People are next
I believe the printed word should be forgiven
Doesn't matter what it said
Wisdom hotline from the dead back to the living
Key to the larder for your heart and head
Books are burning
In our own town, watch us turn 'round
And cast our glances elsewhere
Books are burning
In the playground
Smell of burnt book is not unlike human hair
I believe the printed word is more than sacred
Beyond the gauge of good or bad
The human right to let your soul fly free and naked
Above the violence of the fearful and sad
The church of matches
Anoints in ignorance with gasoline
The church of matches
Grows fat by breathing in the smoke of dreams
It's quite obscene
Books are burning
More each day now, and I pray now
You boys will tire of these games
Books are burning
I hope somehow, this will allow
A phoenix up from the flames
XTC
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TikiGardener
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| Posted: 2005-04-28 01:08 am Permalink
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On 2005-04-27 18:24, DawnTiki wrote:
Proceed with caution, not sure if this rant makes any sense...
Watching television the other day there was a show on that had an image of a drawing of a nude woman, the show had blackened out her nipples to protect me, the viewer from the illicit horrors of a...a...a nipple.
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The Black Bar, the Pixelated blur, the bleep, they all offend me. Wheres my uncensored imagery. I want reality, not "reality" t.v. It offends me that someone else has made the decision of what I can or can not see. So wheres the chip on my t.v. set that makes the censors editing chicanery go away? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Lets call it the "Hardcore Chip" and it will be an optional upgrade like a/c was on automobiles.
So when will congress convene and support my right to see what I want to see?
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TIKI DAVID
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Joined: Apr 07, 2004
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From: North Coast
| Posted: 2005-04-28 05:47 am Permalink
Just thinking out loud here....ah forget it.
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JTD
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From: J'ville
| Posted: 2005-04-28 06:54 am Permalink
This is a great discussion but I think folks are getting worked up over the mixing of two topics in one here. Topic one, the alteration of an artist's work, and topic two, the compulsion, by government, to view the altered work instead of the original (i.e. censorship).
Since topic one is so much less inflammatory than topic two, the creators of the TV Show titled it "Censoring Hollywood" when it's really about who has the right, if any, to change the content of a videotape or DVD.
My opinion is that commercial ventures to alter the videos for resale are illegal. Do I really care though, if John Doe takes his previouisly purchased DVD to someone who takes out the parts he doesn't like? No where in that article or TV show is there mention of the government forcing the altered videos on the rest of us. Just the specter of it, I guess, because it gets people like TikiGardener (and me) fired up.
Remember when the person tried selling a self-painted Gecko mug on eBay? That was wrong. But, do I care if she painted it herself and then put it on her own shelf? Not really. What if she knew she was a lousy painter and decided to pay the local artist do it for her? Do I care then? Do you?
JTD
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bananabobs
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Joined: Feb 16, 2003
Posts: 824 | Posted: 2005-04-28 08:37 am Permalink
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My opinion is that commercial ventures to alter the videos for resale are illegal. Do I really care though, if John Doe takes his previouisly purchased DVD to someone who takes out the parts he doesn't like? No where in that article or TV show is there mention of the government forcing the altered videos on the rest of us. Just the specter of it, I guess, because it gets people like TikiGardener (and me) fired up.
JTD
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I agree, its absurd for these folks to remove offensive material and then watch the movie, in my mind it’s the same as having a peanut butter and dog turd sandwich, remove the dog poop and then eat the sandwich.
I believe that censorship is wrong. (3 daughters, 3 artists, Graphic Illustrator, Professional Photographer, and a Fashion Designer) What I agree with is “appropriateness.” For example, Mapplethorpe’s homoerotic and sadomasochistic images should not be censored, but are they appropriate for all? Should they be shielded from some audiences? Who should be certain that the Rights of some are not trampled by others, on both spectrums. Is shielding Mapplethorpe from Grandmothers and Kiddies censorship or responsible?
What galls me though is when these issues come up, how quickly some are to start attacking the Conservative and the Christian Communities. When some fringe lunatic in any community does something wacko, the News is especially quick to gather all the rest of a community into the mess. When responsibility for shielding innocents from “Art” is discussed, the far left begins a goose-step burn-book mantra which is as silly as removing turds from a poop sandwich.
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Tiki_Bong
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Posts: 0 | Posted: 2005-04-28 09:09 am Permalink
1) I'm extremely suprised Hanford hasn't locked this thread yet. When you think about it, that's exactly what this thread is about isn't it? (I wonder if any members that are on the anti-censoring viewpoint have previously complained about Bong's "offensive" posts?)
2) When 'artists' use sex and foul language etc in their 'art', they are really only showing that they're not talented enough to do something really creative that doesn't require such short-cuts; most everyone on this board are alleged retro-philes and romantically dream of past generations. If that is so, why don't they also love the beautiful artistic work of those periods that didn't rely on shock-short cuts? It takes a higher level of cognition to appreciate art you really have to think about.
3) What angers many people is that Hollywood hides offensive material in Trojan horses; they seem to always sneak something in that isn't always labled as containing such material.
4) That's why I, for the majority of films and shows, lost interest in TV and films.
5) Get OFF your asses and create something of your OWN for entertainment; you have a brain, USE it!
******* PLEASE NOTE *******
Please don't freakin' unload on me because I've stated my opinion; if you do, you're only doing what you say you hate - censoring others opinions!
[ This Message was edited by: Tiki_Bong on 2005-04-28 10:57 ]
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hanford_lemoore
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Joined: Mar 23, 2002
Posts: 1864
From: Tiki Central
| Posted: 2005-04-28 11:55 am Permalink
Please leave religion and politics out of this discussion. It shouldn't be that hard.
If it gets out of hand, I'll lock this topic down, and I'll short-term-ban people who I think are purposely crossing the line.
I think discussions like this are important and we should be able to discuss stuff like this, but as we've established a long time ago, Religion and Politics are not to be discussed on TC. There's plenty of other forums for that.
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docwoods
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Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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From: outside the windy city
| Posted: 2005-04-28 12:03 pm Permalink
To me,the best solution for dealing with censorship,be you for or against,is voting with your feet.
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bananabobs
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Joined: Feb 16, 2003
Posts: 824 | Posted: 2005-04-28 4:36 pm Permalink
Sorry Hanford,
It’s hard not to let religious or political beliefs flavor one's opinion. It would be like discussing Big Mac's and not being able to mention the bun, The TiKi but not the Palm, The Mai Tai but not the juice.
It’s all good.
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hanford_lemoore
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From: Tiki Central
| Posted: 2005-04-28 5:16 pm Permalink
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On 2005-04-28 16:36, bananabobs wrote:
Sorry Hanford,
It’s hard not to let religious or political beliefs flavor one's opinion. It would be like discussing Big Mac's and not being able to mention the bun, |
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In this case I disagree. The topic can continue, but please leave references to religion or politics out. Thanks.
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TikiGardener
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Joined: Mar 24, 2002
Posts: 1359
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| Posted: 2005-04-28 7:01 pm Permalink
I agree with Bananabob.
I have been admonished as "single handedly killing this thread" and "crossing the line", because I first mentioned a religio-political group that I'm not supposed to mention. Which isn't actually accurate. All I can say is if this thread is Caesar's corpse, I may have done my share of stabbing, but I'm not Brutus.
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Tiki_Bong
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Posts: 0 | Posted: 2005-04-28 8:26 pm Permalink
Can the apolitical atheists appreciate film, art and music or not?
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This was only a rhetorical question. It was meant to show that this topic IN FACT does NOT need any of the forbidden topics in order to be discussed.
[ This Message was edited by: Tiki_Bong on 2005-04-28 20:58 ]
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TikiGardener
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| Posted: 2005-04-28 8:30 pm Permalink
Make that into a t-shirt, and I'd wear it.
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