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Baffles me! Why not more responses to THOR art lately????
THOR's
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Posted: 2005-05-08 8:03 pm   Permalink

Fellow Tiki and Polynesian art enthusists... I need your feedback cus I am baffled about this site! I get so very stong response and success in my art in both Hawaii and from my site. I post here on this sie because collectors keep saying.."my god.You have to show This work on a site called "Tiki Central"..they will poop thier pants when they see what you do! But I have to say....I see more responses to more novice level art and projects than I get here when post. Am I in the wrong market to post here?? I do sell to higher paying collectors very succesfully but keep telling my publishers I want to expose this work to who I consider "my folk"....true tiki nd tropical art enthusiasts all over. Again..I keep posting and get at best a few responses though many seem to view the work. Is it the prices of the art?? I know the work sells and is strong..so I am confused by why on this site I get such a drab response. Your feedback is well appreciated!

~~~ THOR

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Turbogod
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Posted: 2005-05-08 8:18 pm   Permalink

THor,
I just got an email back from Ricki about getting ahold of the Blue Shimmilator mini print. Your work is appreciated.


 
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hewey
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From: Sydney, Australia
Posted: 2005-05-08 8:42 pm   Permalink

Personally, your art is some of the best i have seen. It captures tiki perfectly.

All of your work has a tangible atmosphere that you have captured and distilled onto canvas. Like a top-shelf tiki bar has that just right mood to it. On top of this, it has a slight cartoon like feel, adding to the fantasy kinda feel. Then there is the level of detail in them. Its tiki all over.

So why the poor response on TC? Yeh the price seems a bit high. I could replace my car for the price of them, some of them I could do it twice. So what? If I could make that much money making paintings i would. But paintbrushes and i dont mix well. From what you say they sell okay, even with the price tags. And you have prints anyway, which are in anyones budgets.

You mention novice artists seem to get more responses. I often feel that novices can do with extra encouragement to noursih further work. You are obviously a talented artist, so maybe they dont feel you need to be encrouraged as much. Additionally, there could be a bit of tall poppy syndrome, especially with how much your art goes for. Yeh, I am jealous as hell, I admit it. But if you can do well for yourself, then good on ya. From what you say on your website, art is a passion 1st and a job 2nd, you just happen to be succesful at it too.

Cant say I'm an expert, but overall painting doesnt have the same kinda following as some other aspects of tiki, such as carving. Just an observation.

Keep the art coming. I love it, and I'm sure others do too.
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Sam Gambino
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Posted: 2005-05-08 10:39 pm   Permalink

Hi Thor-
Yes, you certainly do beautiful work - there's no question there. I agree with what hewey says too, but another reason for lack of response could possibly be because you do not log as much time here as some of the other artists. Many artists here are considered old friends - maybe because they log in on a daily or almost daily basis to show art or just to chat. That familiarity prompts more familiar - and more frequent - responses from others.

Therefore, I don't think that the light response means that people aren't impressed with your art, I think that they just aren't as inclined to respond as readily because they aren't as familiar with you as a poster.

Anyhow, keep up the great work. I'm sure that many here are awed by it including myself.

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THOR's
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Posted: 2005-05-09 04:01 am   Permalink

Thanks so very much for the feedback! I totally agree with the comments and it helps me very much to understand my market. I have to especially agree that it limits my market a lot that my publishers are not as inclined to want to make posters of these images. They claim that as the "following" builds...I will understand that many will..and seem to be inclined so far..invest in originals and high end giclee prints.
I am somewhat committed to going with their marketing plan for now since they pay for everything and see to it that I get a very steady income doing this...and sorry to "Mickey" but this beats the hell out of my 9 to 5 past career with Disney!! However..I am going to ask that we create a really cool poster line as well. The funny thing is that the publishers had to recently raise the prices on my site because the reresentatives selling my work in Japan complained that the prices were too low and selling too quickly. They clamied that was making me seem "cheap" if that continued figure that psyche! I cant. I get countless people, college students and others who truly want my work but cannot afford to shell out the cash to buy the forms avaiable. I have to admitt...I don't think I would either personally but then again I can't understand why in our society a Pro Basketball player makes a hundred times more than a brain surgeon! Ha Ha Anyway, this all baffles me...I mean understanding my new career transition from a corporate artist/attraction designer to a "fine artist"..but I am learning. I take all feedback very seriously and tuly value your opinions. Thank you all very much....and Fond Aloha's
~~~Thor


 
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Raffertiki
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From: L.I.
Posted: 2005-05-09 04:57 am   Permalink

Hi Thor,

To further Sam's point, I think the artists who post in threads other than their own, and who support, encourage, give honest feedback, and attempt to be part of the TC community, are more likely to get responses to their own threads. Whatever their skill level.

Also, ask yourself, "Why haven't I bought the work of any of the TC artists?" (for all I know you may have). Then consider that most artists, here and in general, don't enjoy your success, your top gallery exposure, and your asking price. Selling art to artists is a tough sell.

Anyway, don't just be the blimp floating by with advertising, touch down every once in a while and hang out.


 
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Benzart
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Posted: 2005-05-09 05:47 am   Permalink

Thor, like everyone said, it's not that your art is not Appreciated, it is. Sam hit on it pretty well, the lack of belonging. It seems you only post when you have something new to sell and not enough posting of just friendship chatting, joining in.
Also, this is Oasis weekend and TC Has been a ghost town. Come around more often. Love and be loved.
Thanks for sharing.
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beachin
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Posted: 2005-05-09 05:48 am   Permalink

Pretty stuff...lots of detail. I can tell these took a lot of work.

I've only been posting for a little while on TC and I could give you a personal experience as a new artist. This is very basic, as I have to run off in a couple of minutes to do some work, but here goes:

People here on TC as I'm sure you are discovering are really nice. Very supportive. However, as someone pointed out to me, you will often hear the positive side more often as we don't generally post anything negative to each other unless you beg for it. Just common courtesy. Also, it's really very hard to interpret constructive criticism on the internet.

Also, the people who buy on TC have their dollars spread very thin. They collect lots of stuff and will often save up to buy that special purchase they've had their eye on for a year or two. They are often stocking a new backyard bar and have all of the expenses that go with that.

Then there are the peeps who have run out of room! Honestly...have you seen some of the pictures? I don't know how they fit people in their places with so many tikis, mugs, paintings, bars, floats, fountains, etc. They really have a passion for the collecting though, and know what they like.

I look at TC differently than I used to. At first, I admit, I came here to find a place to link to my website, but I instead found a new home with lots of real people with whom I've made friends. Meeting them and sharing art experiences with them has been the real prize at TC. Everything else is just gravy.

My best advice is what you've already got. Enjoy the galleries and the publicity and the wheels that are turning for you in other places. If you like TC, look at it as a nice place to relax and talk with others about your experiences. If they buy from you, great. If they don't, don't take it personally. It's not the quality of your work. It's that there is so much great quality work available amongst all of the TC artists, and everybody can only get so much. You will find some people that love what you do and want one of everything. That will be your niche here, but don't expect sales to be like in a show or gallery sale. From what I've seen, TC was never meant to be that at all.

I look forward to getting to know you. I, personally, just had a marvelous weekend with a bunch of TC folks I met here. I was vending, but I went more to meet everyone and see their art and be part of the experience. I sold some stuff, but I consider the weekend a success because I have friends that I know better now and consider myself to be part of the gang. That is an honor to me. It's like a support group for artists, and goodness knows we all need that. I think we bought from each other more than anything else

OK. I gotta run. Hope to see you more often here.
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THOR's
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Posted: 2005-05-09 09:39 am   Permalink

GOT it!! Well this helps me understand!!! Let me say that I was under a totally different impression of why I kept hearing some of the tourists tell me to list things here. I had no idea of the rich social aspects...so this is a great plus! Please understand that at no time did I "take it personally" or feel unapreciated here. I have always gotten great feedback and response..few or not. I just noticed that I would post something and get 50 views and 3 responses..right next to a person posting that they maybe tried to carve a tiki from a tree that fell down in their yard and they would get 1500 views and 3 pages of responses...and I was like...what am I missing here? Again..I sell this work very successfully in Hawaii ..some to people with a quarter of the enthusiasm I see here for tikis and polynesian fantasy. I just see now that I misunderstood the character of this site. I am understanding though now and this puts things in a totally diffferent context for me. This is good!!!
I hope this explains to you all also where I was comming from. I didn't understand the vibe yet and when I would get such little response..it perplexed me enough to believe that this was not the place that was responsive to what I was doing..so that discouraged my "hanging out" I would say. I was going by the recommendations of people who maybe didn't understand Tiki Central either. I was given the impression it was a network that a restaurant or art dealer or any level of serious tropical art buyer could go to as a sort of ultimate connection resource. Anyway...your feedback has helped tons!! Sales or not..I will look at this as a wonderful place to share creative spirit and the love of our tropical passions~ If it was evening..I would mix up a MaiTai and toast ya all!!

~~~ THOR


 
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finkdaddy
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Posted: 2005-05-09 09:51 am   Permalink

Well said, Thor. I've been here for just under a year and knew nothing about polynesia whatsoever. Now it's my life and I've made more friends than I can count. I love your art, keep it commin!
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kooche
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From: Los Angeles CA
Posted: 2005-05-09 11:42 am   Permalink

thor...

first let me say...your art is GREAT!

when it comes to showing art to tiki folk there is one big thing that you have to remember about the community on the whole we (myself included) are vagabonds!!! when i paint something that i really like i feel like $250 is baby shit...(you and i know that we glean HALF of that and that is usually AFTER paying to have it framed) sorry but it is next to nothing...but EVERYONE can afford $15 on a shirt/mug... and THAT is part and parcel with the beachcomber thing... i have no idea what your prices are...i haven't even checked it out...i did 32 pieces for my show in dec...i got a TON back that were larger and filled out the most part of the over $500 price bracket...but i also painted a TON of micro pieces for guys like me...and they sold...victory through proliferation...now the pieces that i like that were returned are hanging in the tiki ti still for sale...and the feedback in a public forum like THAT is what i think you are looking for...people are warm and talk to me constantly about how they like my imagery...TOTALLY satisfying to sip a chichi mixed by the hands of the mikes and talk to strangers that only know me by my creations...in this way the entire internet fails....

you rule man...KNOW IT!
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Posted: 2005-05-09 12:42 pm   Permalink

I like your art but to me you come off very egotistical and demeaning especialy to novice artists. Thanks for telling me how much you make, and how people love your art and how much more u can make in Japan. Sorry for not givng you more attention, or pooping my pants. There are some wonderfully talented people here but sorry Ive never heard them come off as you.

 
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Monkeyman
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Posted: 2005-05-09 1:00 pm   Permalink

I find it interesting that with as much success as you are currently enjoying from folks who actually PAY for your work that you would feel the need to fish form compliments from us.

Us rookie folk usually fish for compliments because that is the only payback we get.

I too like your art. Its very well done. The imagery is real fantastic.

More power to you. Get paid!
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THOR's
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Posted: 2005-05-09 1:03 pm   Permalink

"tiki rider" I have no idea why you respond with such negative cumpulsion. I am terribly sorry you chose to interpret what I said in this way. I tried to be very clear that I was refered to this site...and am in no way belittling anyone and was simply not sure I understood the whole dynamics. I am not speaking in an egotistical way in the least. I have never said what my work sells for unless you vist my site..and I don't set the prices. I am a professional...I know my capabilities and have confidence based on years of my career...but far from belittling or boasting. You took this totally personally for some reason..and I apologize to anyone who would interpret my statement this way. Most, as you can see have been supportive and simple explained what this site is about and helped me understand. relax my friend..I am just as you..a very warm enthusiast of any fellow artist. People who know me will tell you this in a heartbeat. Again, sorry you chose to interpret my questions the way you did. Not accurate. I value opinions here which is why I defy my publishers who pay my bills and want to connect with the warmth that this site was described to exhibit. I wish you luck..on all your ventures...have a Mai Tai and breathe.. I may join ya!
~~~ THOR


 
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THOR's
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Posted: 2005-05-09 1:24 pm   Permalink

Sorry..I just still feel the need to set this straight..cus I got a couple responses here that clue me in that either I am wording things wrong..or people in some cases aren't really understanding my intent. Refering to the latest comment as to "why I am here if I am so successful" I tried to explain...why not?? I respect the opinions of fellow artists and collectors of ANY level...which is why I have put my work out for criticism numerous times and wanted the support of this site to guide my inspirations. Is this a sign of someone "egotistical" NO..it means I connect and respect with everyone..not just a collector in Waikiki who can drop thousands on art without a whim. Knock off the attempts to create a charater of who I am that does not accurately represent my intent. Again, I have gotten some great feedback from this post..few negative accusations that I am an attention seeking egotist. If I was that..I would spend a lot more time painting murals as charaity write offs on buildings in mid Waikiki!! ..And get great press and a tan!! I have traded more art in my past than I enjoy selling..I have great repore with many local craftsmen and carvers in Hawaii for this reason..I descriminate or "look down" at no one..repect all artists. If you read my posts I explained that my confusion was that I was introduced to this site my numerous people who I met in shows or through e-mail that felt I could get more exposure to those who really loved this sort of work internationally. So..I explored this...and it was not I who said" people will poop their pants"! I would rather they "pu pu " their pants personally!!! Again ..lighten up! I thought this was a lounge!!! Thanks to those who have helped me...and apologies to those I seemed to have miffed... Mahalo to all... THOR

 
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