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Tim Biskup or Shag?
saxotica
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Posted: 2005-07-23 07:50 am   Permalink

Who came first? Somebody owes somebody.

 
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Sweet Daddy Tiki
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Posted: 2005-07-23 10:55 am   Permalink

I don't think it's a case of one "stealing" from the other, so much as both of them having the same influences. I see lots of Jim Flora in Biskup's work.

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saxotica
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Posted: 2005-07-23 11:45 am   Permalink

Wow! No kidding. Thanks for that link !

 
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Tangaroa
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Posted: 2005-07-23 3:41 pm   Permalink

To my eye, their styles are very different!

 
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Posted: 2005-07-23 7:03 pm   Permalink

Anybody going to the opening in Pasadena tonight. Sobeiski Gallery. Biskup, Shag, and more. Looked good through the window.

http://www.mendenhallsobieskigallery.com/exhibitions/index.html


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FLOUNDERart
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Posted: 2005-07-24 12:03 pm   Permalink

I'm with Tangaroa. The only thing I see that is comparable is the simplicity of their styles.

Shag definitely was inspired by Jim Flora which he admits to but I don't really see that in Biskups work.

I like Biskups work much better but thats just my opinion.
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Tiki Matt
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Posted: 2005-07-24 12:31 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2005-07-24 12:03, FLOUNDERart wrote:

Shag definitely was inspired by Jim Flora which he admits to but I don't really see that in Biskups work.



Huh?
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Tangaroa
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Posted: 2005-07-24 9:38 pm   Permalink

Yeah - no offense Flounder - I see a ton of Jim Flora inspiration in Biskups work!
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FLOUNDERart
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Posted: 2005-07-25 05:08 am   Permalink

That's cool it's just my opinion.

 
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Tangaroa
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Posted: 2005-07-25 09:47 am   Permalink

Biskup is awesome - really talented! I wish I'd had the foresight to buy some of his work way back when (or Miles T's for that matter ) - you'd think he'd give me an "alumni discount"! (i.e. free - AHAHAHAHAA - OK - maybe not.)
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aquarj
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Posted: 2005-07-25 5:15 pm   Permalink

I'd say neither one owes anything to each other, and that both practice what's common to many forms of art - taking a variety of influences and developing a personal style that's unique but still shows traces of its lineage.

For example, take a look at this (apology for bad scan quality):

Is it Shag? No, Ward Kimball, from a Disney short in the 50s. There's a whole host of artists, illustrators, and animators from Vip to Friz Freleng who must have influenced a bunch of the styles we see today. BTW, along those lines, here's a little
feature-ette I put together recently on Ryohei Yanagihara, who also had a bright graphic style influenced by his contemporaries in the 50s. About the Jim Flora influence, I have to say I see a lot more of Flora's crazy surreal style in Tim Biskup than in Shag, whose work seems more representational, although stylized.

Another thing that both Shag and Tim Biskup also deserve some credit for is how their efforts helped pave the way for a wider range of "lowbrow" artists to reach people who might not otherwise have ever thought of buying art at all. Tim's Burning Brush art auctions provided a great link between artists and Joe Buyer, in a forum that's pretty hard to duplicate in the regular gallery setting. Shag's work itself has been sort of like the "gateway drug" for many art buyers, providing that first spark of interest in original art as something to actually take home, and an awareness of galleries like La Luz that regularly present works from other talented artists too. Dunno if this makes sense, and I'm not saying they're the main factor or only factor in the success of the "lowbrow" art scene, but I think they both deserve some credit.

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Suffering Bastard of Stumptown
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Posted: 2005-07-26 10:54 am   Permalink

Ed Fotheringham's stuff is also inspired by the works of people like Ward Kimball, Andy Warhol and others. But he took it in a different direction.

http://www.users.qwest.net/~efotheringham/

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Humuhumu
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Posted: 2005-07-26 12:13 pm   Permalink

A great point, and well delivered, Randy!

 
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polynesian posh boy
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Posted: 2005-07-26 1:21 pm   Permalink

They are both amazing artists who are keeping the "low brow" alive and well today. I'd hang either one of their works over my mantle at home. I prefer one over the other but it is totally personal preference.

 
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aquaorama
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Posted: 2005-07-26 6:50 pm   Permalink

I've got a couple of Shag and a couple of Biskups prints around the house. Although I love Shag I do feel that Biskup is REALLY catching on with people these days. I see his Gama Go clothes all over San Francisco and his prints are going for more and more every day.

 
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