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TikiGardener
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|  Posted: 2005-08-23 1:58 pm Permalink
"Are you a boy or are you a girl?" Is a great early "punk" anthem.
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freddiefreelance
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From: San Diego, Ca.
| Posted: 2005-08-25 05:43 am Permalink
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On 2005-08-23 12:14, thejab wrote:
I never knew the lyrics said "Ol' Moulty"! Are they referring to this Moulty?:
Guy on far left is Moulty - the one-handed drummer for the Barbarians
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Your guess is better than mine, I always forget than the line about Vin Scelsa is in "9 to 5 World" & not "Rock & Roll Radio."
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Urban Tiki
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From: The Tropical Isle of Manhattan
| Posted: 2005-08-26 09:11 am Permalink
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On 2005-08-22 13:34, thejab wrote:
I tend to agree with TikiGardener that it started before 1968. The Who's My Generation album surely was an influence on 60s punk bands (of which there are too many to name; listen to "Bad Girl" by Zakary Thaks from Texas for just one example: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005TQ7M/103-6114315-8825441?v=glance).
The Who, The Kinks, The Pretty Things, The Troggs, and some others were more influential than the Beatles on punk.
No, nuKKe, it doesn't really matter, but when the topic comes up sometimes people might find out about some bands they didn't already know about, so I don't see any harm in such a discussion.
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Musically, I think you can hear some of the early roots in some of the surf guitar from the early 60s. You get a little of it in Dick Dale, but even more so with the more obscure surf bands. I have a series of cds of rare surf guitar music and I can hear some of the punk guitar riffs in this stuff. Of course, the leap to punk would require tortured, angst ridden vocals, but instrumentally there is a connection.
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thejab
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From: Tradewinds Apartments, Alameda, CA
| Posted: 2005-08-26 11:53 am Permalink
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On 2005-08-26 09:11, Urban Tiki wrote:
Musically, I think you can hear some of the early roots in some of the surf guitar from the early 60s. You get a little of it in Dick Dale, but even more so with the more obscure surf bands. I have a series of cds of rare surf guitar music and I can hear some of the punk guitar riffs in this stuff. Of course, the leap to punk would require tortured, angst ridden vocals, but instrumentally there is a connection.
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You are so right. Link Wray's "Rumble" was an early example of guitar instrumental (with guitar distortion) which (along with other early guitar instrumental groups like the Fireballs, the Champs, Duane Eddy, and others) heavily influenced surf and Northwest garage bands (Wailers, Sonics, etc.) of the early 60s.
The Who were greatly influenced by American guitar and surf bands (along with American R&B). Keith Moon played drums for a surf band called the Beachcombers before he joined The Who, and the Who did covers of surf and hot rod songs like "Barbara Ann" (the Beach Boys' version) and "Bucket T".
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TikiGardener
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| Posted: 2005-08-26 1:51 pm Permalink
Link Wray pulling a gun and setting it on his amp because somebody threatened him, height of punk if you ask me.
Link Wray's recording studio techniques...
"Wray’s Shack Three Track." Instead of a snare drum, they would use can of nails; in place of a bass, foot stomping; and when a couple of amps couldn’t fit inside, they were miked through window. Link describes the recording set-up: "I used Telefunken mikes. I put them on my amplifier and let the sound leak through to give me that freedom of playing, because when you put a mike tight next to an amplifier you get that sharpness, and you also get amplifier noise. But when you put an amp in one spot and the microphone across the room, all you get are the overtones, no electronics, just real nitty-gritty."
Wray started playing electric guitar in 1947. "It was a Vega," he says. "Once pickup way up, sort of like jazz guitar." He purchased a Gibson Les Paul in 1953 and a Premier amplifier. It was the only amplifier at that time that had a tremolo effect and crossover heads. "it had a big fifteen-inch speaker," he adds, "and two little six-inch tweeters on each side. I made my own fuzz by punching holes in the speakers."
More can be found at
http://home3.inet.tele.dk/sba/bio.htm
Can of nails for a snare?!? Punching hole in your amp speakers to make your own fuzz???? Really now, how much more punk do you need?
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Shipwreckjoey
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From: San Diego, CA
| Posted: 2005-08-27 2:28 pm Permalink
I like to think punk started in L.A. in the mid to late '60's with bands like the Standells, the Seeds, the Music Machine, the Strawberry Alarm Clock and Love (if 7 And 7 Is ain't punk, I don't know what is). To check out a good tribute to some of this music (and a smattering of Brit invasion & Psychedelic) get the Ramones' CD Acid Eaters. Great stuff.
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thejab
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From: Tradewinds Apartments, Alameda, CA
| Posted: 2005-09-16 3:23 pm Permalink
There's a great new documentary by Don Letts, the influential London DJ, called "Punk Attitude." This is easily the best film I've seen about punk music, that doesn't just recap the same old story, but really explores the spirit of punk. And there are some amazing but brief film clips of live performances in this film.
It's being shown on IFC and it's out on DVD.
http://www.ifctv.com/ifc/whatson?CAT0=0&MO=9&DA=17&YR=2005&TZ=ET&DW=0&CLR=blue&BCLR=0099CC&SID=55304
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446765/
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alohabros
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From: westernus
| Posted: 2005-09-16 4:13 pm Permalink
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Can of nails for a snare?!? Punching hole in your amp speakers to make your own fuzz???? Really now, how much more punk do you need?
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... check out the music of harry partch...
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Shipwreckjoey
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From: San Diego, CA
| Posted: 2005-09-17 01:07 am Permalink
The MC5 is in San Diego-go tonite at the infamous Casbah. Heard an interview with Wayne Kramer on a local radio station yesterday. It was like a breath of fresh air. That guy's got his shit in one bag!
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thejab
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| Posted: 2005-09-17 10:07 am Permalink
I saw the current MC5 lineup on their last tour. They were incredible. Go see them. Bring ear plugs.
The movie "Punk Attitude" showed a portion of an amazing film of the origial MC5 in action. I have to find the source of that. I think it may be in the documentary about the MC5 that was not released on DVD due to some legal squabbles.
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Shipwreckjoey
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From: San Diego, CA
| Posted: 2005-09-17 11:31 am Permalink
jab, I just watched Punk Attitude on the IFC channel about an hour ago. Wish I woulda recorded it. Some really classic footage I've never seen before like James White & the Blacks, the Screamers, old Sonic Youth, etc. Great interviews too with people like K.K. (Screamers), Jello and Henry Rollins. Got my day off to a good start.
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