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Where is Tiki Bong? (Part Deux) |
hanford_lemoore
Grand Member (8 years) 
Joined: Mar 23, 2002
Posts: 1864
From: Tiki Central
|  Posted: 2005-09-03 2:33 pm Permalink
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| On 2005-09-03 13:03, Swanky wrote:
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Swanky, you simply don't know what you're talking about. Bad behavior is taken care of all the time. However, I like to do it in private, in part so that the gawking-at-the-train-wreck effect (in topics, to a degree, like this one) doesn't occur. And when I deal with things in Public, the users in question tend to want to defend himself/herself in public and feel stifled if I don't let them. When I deal with things in PMs, I can discuss the issues with the user(s) at length to put things to rest.
And no one knows the number of banned users because it's a private list, and I don't share it.
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| Offensive posts are not deleted. Offensive posters are not dealt with. Offensive topics are not removed. |
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That's a gross misrepresentation of the real situation.
See here, for example. Or here. Or here, or here.
Not all offensive posts get deleted. Many never get reported by users. But mostly I've learned from experience that there are different approaches to take depending on the situation.
Often I ask a user to go back and edit it themselves. This can lead to a better understanding of what they did and less resentment about the situation. TC has had users who got edited by moderators temporarily explode under cries of "censorship!" and post dozens of inappropriate topics that I had to go back and delete. I've learned from those situations and others that taking the blanket approach of "delete it, lock it, ban it" is simply not the way to go.
I admit that things fall through the cracks from time to time, but the generalization of "Bad behavior on TC is rarely dealt with" is just not true. I don't think that every act of maliciousness should result in a ban of a user or a public shaming. I hope you agree with me.
~Hanford
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Unga Bunga
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Jun 06, 2003
Posts: 5734
From: CaliTikifornia
| Posted: 2005-09-03 8:57 pm Permalink
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On 2005-09-03 13:03, Swanky wrote:
Maybe things are changing around here. I hope so. The ugly behavior on TC has me ready to leave for good.
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Come on Swank! You know we couldn't get rid of you, if we wanted to.
Let's all take a deep breath, and remember why we come here.
I do!
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Unga Bunga
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Jun 06, 2003
Posts: 5734
From: CaliTikifornia
| Posted: 2005-09-03 9:26 pm Permalink
With respect to Bong's thread.
I miss ya, ya Wanka!
May the Tiki road rise to all of us, Kev.
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pablus
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Jul 23, 2003
Posts: 2146
From: www.crazedmugs.com
| Posted: 2005-09-04 05:46 am Permalink
Well, TB is certainly lurking.
It's not difficult to get around a "ban," expecially if you don't come out swinging to say "I beat the ban!"
And further, I always like a little bitters in my drinks.
Same for forums - a bit of disagreement, a touch of sarcasm, a shot of wtf - makes a tastier forum, IMO.
Interesting that my buddy, Swanky, has a taste for sweet drinks and sweeter forums. 
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Swanky
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Apr 03, 2002
Posts: 4806
From: Hapa Haole Hideaway, TN
| Posted: 2005-09-04 09:20 am Permalink
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On 2005-09-03 14:33, hanford_lemoore wrote:
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| On 2005-09-03 13:03, Swanky wrote:
Bad behavior on TC is rarely dealt with. |
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Swanky, you simply don't know what you're talking about. Bad behavior is taken care of all the time. However, I like to do it in private, in part so that the gawking-at-the-train-wreck effect (in topics, to a degree, like this one) doesn't occur. And when I deal with things in Public, the users in question tend to want to defend himself/herself in public and feel stifled if I don't let them. When I deal with things in PMs, I can discuss the issues with the user(s) at length to put things to rest.
And no one knows the number of banned users because it's a private list, and I don't share it.
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| Offensive posts are not deleted. Offensive posters are not dealt with. Offensive topics are not removed. |
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That's a gross misrepresentation of the real situation.
See here, for example. Or here. Or here, or here.
Not all offensive posts get deleted. Many never get reported by users. But mostly I've learned from experience that there are different approaches to take depending on the situation.
Often I ask a user to go back and edit it themselves. This can lead to a better understanding of what they did and less resentment about the situation. TC has had users who got edited by moderators temporarily explode under cries of "censorship!" and post dozens of inappropriate topics that I had to go back and delete. I've learned from those situations and others that taking the blanket approach of "delete it, lock it, ban it" is simply not the way to go.
I admit that things fall through the cracks from time to time, but the generalization of "Bad behavior on TC is rarely dealt with" is just not true. I don't think that every act of maliciousness should result in a ban of a user or a public shaming. I hope you agree with me.
~Hanford
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Certainly, if you or others are removing items before anyone sees them, then we have no idea what level of crap we are being spared from.
We've had a few problem posters. Kahukini, Bong, Skunk. Maybe that was a while ago and things are changing. But, for the most part, it seemed everyone was given lots of second chances and often their naughty threads were just locked and not gotten rid of. The ugliness just left for all to see.
Maybe this is off this topic, but, I feel that flames should be put out immediately. Maybe I should reply on the other thread. Maybe I should stick to my guns and not express my opinion on TC any longer.
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badmojo
Tiki Socialite
Joined: Apr 23, 2003
Posts: 666 | Posted: 2005-09-04 09:52 am Permalink
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On 2005-09-04 09:20, Swanky wrote:
Certainly, if you or others are removing items before anyone sees them, then we have no idea what level of crap we are being spared from.
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Hmmmm, kinda like ((Content Mutiny))?
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hanford_lemoore
Grand Member (8 years)
Joined: Mar 23, 2002
Posts: 1864
From: Tiki Central
| Posted: 2005-09-04 3:46 pm Permalink
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Well, the policy is to lock instead of delete whenever possible. It's not my job to remove people's feet from their mouths. If someone airs their ugly side here, I'd only be doing a disservice to the TC community by covering it up.
Who knows, Swanky, if I had deleted all of Bong's offensive posts so that very few ever saw them, perhaps you'd be arguing against his banning right now instead of being supportive of it.
Don't get me wrong -- I admit that Bong should have been gone long ago and that I was too soft on him. But I have tried many different moderation techniques here and learned the pros and cons of them firsthand. I'm always listening to people's feedback via U-Mods and posts like this and adjusting accordingly.
~Hanford
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