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Swanky
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From: Hapa Haole Hideaway, TN
|  Posted: 2005-09-08 09:49 am Permalink
At first I thought this guy is some kind of idiot to sell this and not put "Tiki Door Handles Traders Dayonta BEach" or something like that. Then I thought, maybe he was selling 10 pounds of brass. Then I had no idea what to think. It wasn't a push to sell stolen authentic tiki. I can't imagine what the purpose was. Inept and deceitful, yes.
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Sabu The Coconut Boy
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| Posted: 2005-09-08 09:57 am Permalink
Maybe he was asked to install new security door hardware and locks on the doors and thought he'd try to sell the old handles on eBay to make a little money instead of throwing them away. It's hard to guess at this time.
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Johnny Dollar
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From: Baltimore, Maryland, PNG
| Posted: 2005-09-08 10:13 am Permalink
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On 2005-09-08 09:12, Jawa wrote:
There sure is a lot of mystery and intrigue in the world of tiki!!! 
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between reading this, and hearing about a compatriot visiting the former Luau Room in Louisville KY, aware that many patrons were armed, i would think QT* could get a pretty good movie out of this material 
*quentin tarantino
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Swanky
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From: Hapa Haole Hideaway, TN
| Posted: 2005-09-08 12:48 pm Permalink
"Blood on the Tikis" is a good working title...
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ZebraTiki
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From: Enchanted Bay Area, CA
| Posted: 2005-09-08 1:23 pm Permalink
The big question is if the manager took these door handles off, for whatever reason, what were they replaced with?
There's also the possibility that the handles on one entrance had to be replaced for an honest reason.
Where I work, we have a public safety issue with our western-facing 'brass door handles o'death' heating up during the summer, so much so that people have threatened lawsuits due to burned hands, and demanded the owner replace them, so the very expensive brass handles were wrapped in bicycle handle tape.
Yes, it looks as bad as it sounds.
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Sabu The Coconut Boy
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From: Carson, California
| Posted: 2005-09-08 11:28 pm Permalink
I received this e-mail today in reply to my query to the seller several days ago:
"THE HANDLES CAME FROM TRADERS RESTAURANT IN DAYTONA BEACH WHICH I AM THE MANAGER. WE HAVE REMODELED AND REMOVED THE 2 DOORS AND REPLACED WITH ONE MODERN DOOR. SOMEONE CALLED ME THIS MORNING AT THE RESTAURANT INQUIRING ABOUT THE HANDLES ON YOUR BEHALF. THIS IS A VALID SALE. IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME .
THANKS
TOM SAGMILLER"
So it looks like tikigreg's call finally prompted a response to me. What do you think? Legit?
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Kono
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From: Orlando
| Posted: 2005-09-09 02:21 am Permalink
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On 2005-09-08 23:28, Sabu The Coconut Boy wrote:
What do you think? Legit?
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I'd say semi-legit.
I'm sure he didn't ask the owner: "Say, you guys don't mind if I sell these on ebay do you?"
"Sure Tom, go ahead, knock yourself out! That'll be your bonus for this quarter."
If it was 100% legit then I'd think that he'd put where they came from in the auction listing. Anybody that's got PBS knows the importance of provenance to the value of an antique. Plus, the mere fact that he has a shill account and then the odd manner in which he handled the transaction (quickly dropping the asking price from $400 to $56) tells me that he is a shady character. I'm sure that he feels that if he were to be caught, that he has some room to weasel out of trouble ("I thought you were just going to through them away") but would probably rather not have that confrontation with the owner occur.
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Kailuageoff
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From: Honolulu Lounge,Lewes, DE
| Posted: 2005-09-13 1:46 pm Permalink
I can't belive the twists and turns this is taking. Other than my home tiki bar, I've been totally out of the tiki world this summer - but this thread is just too much. I'm suddenly feeling all this pressure to find out if this guy sold those handles without the owners permission... Sorry, I didn't check it out yet.
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bananabobs
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Posts: 824 | Posted: 2005-09-13 7:55 pm Permalink
This is compelling stuff! It reads like a Hardy Boy mystery
Its no wonder that Humuhumu found those so quick, she is after all a "Special Tiki Central Agent"
I recall seeing those at Bali Hai and was bouncing in my seat until I got to Jackalopes post. Now what? Should, like the manager wake up one morning and find a bloody Tiki head in his bed? We know people who know people.
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Sabina
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| Posted: 2005-09-19 8:59 pm Permalink
Well, apparently we at least know where your set came from. I still might try contacting the owners.
To go off on a semi related tangent for one moment, I'm still wondering about the original manufacturer and where all their treasures went, as we seem to have several pairs that up until very recently were still in use (The Traders and the Bali Hai)
And in particular, I'm kicking myself, as we just took this picture of the door handle (as others here in the thread already pointed out) with the same design, at the Bali Hai this past May-
The thing is, due to the camera angle, we can't compare flaws in the casting with what you've pointed out on the set you have.
Back in college, I did some bronze casting, and I'm very familiar with the process. So what I'm left wondering is to what extent the flaws you pointed out may be common across some or all examples of the handles OR are they utterly unique to that set?
Next time someone is at the Bali Hai, could you consider trying to get a straight on picture of the door handle? I'm really interested in whether or not the defect in the teeth for example, is common in these castings.
Also, what year did the Traders open? Can we date the doorhandles to the 50's like the Bali Hai, or are they a later addition? Any chance we narrow down manufacturers by a time period?
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hewey
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From: Sydney, Australia
| Posted: 2005-09-21 7:42 pm Permalink
What a cool thread. I never looked before cause door handles arent the most exciting things generally.
Sound like you got a good deal, but the dude selling them was way dodgy. Perhaps the blury pics and not listing the restaurant cause he didnt want to get caught?
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Humuhumu
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| Posted: 2005-09-22 02:44 am Permalink
While we were at the new San Francisco Trader Vic's, Unga Bunga noted these doorpulls on the restrooms and snapped this pic. They're different from the other doorpulls, but what the hey, here they are:
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Unga Bunga
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From: CaliTikifornia
| Posted: 2005-09-22 10:33 am Permalink
That TV handle wasn't as close as I thought it was (Damn rum). I guess what caught my eye was that they are all doing the "Fonzie pose" (thumbs up). I guess that is a prerequisite for all Tiki door handles.
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pappythesailor
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From: Mass.
| Posted: 2005-09-22 1:06 pm Permalink
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On 2005-09-22 02:44, Humuhumu wrote:
While we were at the new San Francisco Trader Vic's, Unga Bunga noted these doorpulls on the restrooms and snapped this pic. They're different from the other doorpulls, but what the hey, here they are:
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Same as the outside doorhandles at the Jardin Tiki in Montreal! I have a pic of them too so I'm not the only nutcase on TC. (There're different tiki doorhandles inside.)
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Tiki-Troll
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From: D-LAND FL
| Posted: 2005-11-19 6:30 pm Permalink
sorry to say but something else is now missing from Traders. My husband says one of the large witco pieces from the front is gone. We don't know if anything else is missing. I just don't know why they would be getting rid of this stuff, when we were there this summer everyone there seemed really excited about it, alot nicer than some of the places we have gone that have treated us like we were nutty.
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