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Lauhala and grass thatching
Kalani
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Joined: Mar 16, 2003
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Posted: 2005-09-17 09:05 am   Permalink

I may have an issue with a city inspector that is very particular about fire safety in public places. Wondering if any have similar situations/advice to give.

I ordered grass thatching and lauhala that was fire treated... I received certification from CA fir marshal to confirm this. My inspector may have still have problems with this type of decor??? he will conduct his own tests on the materials.

Inspector even told me about a fire disaster at the "Coconut Grove" which killed hundreds.. fire started because of grass thatching supposedly???

Has anyone experienced anything like this??? Obviously, this material is a big part of the decor. Should I be woried??????
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Basement Kahuna
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Joined: Oct 14, 2002
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From: Jawja Province, Isle of North America
Posted: 2005-09-17 2:57 pm   Permalink

The Coconut Grove fire was in the pre flame retardant era..and was the catalyst for all modern fire codes...They'll all whip that one out.

 
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Polynesiac
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Joined: Jan 29, 2004
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From: San Pedro, CA
Posted: 2005-09-17 9:14 pm   Permalink

coconut grove...wasn't that the Boston Night Club?

if the thatching and matting was treated correctly, you should be able to hold a lit match against it and it won't catch. When I did set construction for plays, the stage manager would do that to make sure everything was fire proof.
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bananabobs
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Joined: Feb 16, 2003
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Posted: 2005-09-22 12:04 am   Permalink

No the Coconut Grove was at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, Its where Robert Kennedy was killed. The Coconut grove had big palm trees inside that were made for the movie "The Sheik" with Valentio back in the 20's. The movie was filmed on the beach in Oxnard where the Channel Island Marina is today. BTW The Ambassador is being torn down to make room for a new school.
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Gigantalope
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Joined: Aug 01, 2004
Posts: 913
From: Shinola, California
Posted: 2005-09-22 06:39 am   Permalink

Hey Lalani, what is it yer working on?

 
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Kalani
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Joined: Mar 16, 2003
Posts: 19
Posted: 2005-09-23 5:52 pm   Permalink

Thanks guys for the input.

I talked more with the inspector and he wants acutal fire and smoke ratings... I tracked some info down and got test results faxed to me (the tests were paid by Oceanic Arts and Bensons Imports). So we will see if they will pass with the inspector???

He also wanted flame/smoke ratings for bamboo fence I have along several of the walls... this will be a problem as the bamboo I purchaed was not offered in flame retardant. The company that sold it to me says they never have offered this.

Anyone have any info on flame/smoke ratings on bamboo. (thats probably the most ridiculous question asked here, right?)

Oh, and this is for decor of a Chicago tiki bar.
Thanks
Kalani, aka Scott


 
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Tiki Rotterdam
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Joined: Nov 14, 2004
Posts: 116
From: Rotterdam, Holland
Posted: 2005-09-24 12:15 am   Permalink

I am very curious which way this will go Kalani, as i will run into the same problems in the future.
All the best & please keep us informed.

_Ps maybe these guys can help you a bit more, i see they had some 'problems' with fire retardents too:
http://www.tikilounge.biz/genesis.html





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pappythesailor
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Joined: Jul 07, 2005
Posts: 1564
From: Mass.
Posted: 2005-12-01 03:05 am   Permalink

Kalani, how did you make out with this? I mentioned fire to my wife and she whigged.

I'm really up against it: A) I'm from MA where the Coconut Grove fire was B) When wifey was in Honolulu (of all places) for grad school, the building next door burned down and people died. This caused her to leave grad school! Now I can't buy anything that's not fireproof. This seems to triple the cost! I don't know if I can afford this project suddenly.

Does anyone know if they make a spray fire retardant?


 
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Polynesiac
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From: San Pedro, CA
Posted: 2005-12-01 10:20 pm   Permalink

pappy - yes they do. Here is a quick link to some on the internet:

http://www.franksupply.com/bamboo_products.htm#fireretardant

but do a search for spray fire retardent locally. Theatical prop shops would definately have some, or be able to point you in the right direction on where to find it. good luck!


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pappythesailor
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From: Mass.
Posted: 2005-12-02 12:12 pm   Permalink

Dank U!

 
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pappythesailor
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From: Mass.
Posted: 2005-12-07 1:50 pm   Permalink

OK, I bought a gallon of this stuff. If the house burns down, I'll let y'all know.

http://www.natfire.com/Fx_order.htm

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