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How much escapism is too much escapism?
Monkeyman
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From: Vista, CA
Posted: 2005-12-12 11:15 am   Permalink

This is a question I have had about myself for a long time. I think it applies to many of you as well.

Its no secret that TCers share many common interests beyond Tiki. It could be comic books, fantasy films, retro conventions, collectibles, fashion etc etc.

In my view (and I remind you its only MY view) I think that our desire for escapism often permeates much more of our lives than most people.

Some folks can find the necessary level of escape simply by reading a book in the evenings. Others can find it in a fantasy movie 3 or 4 times per year.

I find that many of the TCers I know find a need for it on a DAILY basis. Theme Parks visits at lunch, retro movies played in your crusty local theater on Tuesday nights, santa conventions, parades, bar after bar, dress up parties, EXTREME home decor and the list goes on .

I am not judging any of these activities as good or bad (I personally cant get enough).

But... I look at the people, I work with, live near, and my family. I find that they just dont seem to NEED it as much.

Going to your kids soccer game, taking karate lessons, attending a seminar on how to build your wealth, volunteering during your annual church carnival, playing golf with your business associates, decorating your home with sensible furniture and elegant colors etc etc (I know this is a random and ridiculous list but hopefully you understand what I am getting at).

I wonder if they are missing out because they dont seek out more fantasy or if I am the one with the problem because I am not content living the responsibilities of life unless there is more entertainment value.

Is it immaturity? Is it an attention span prob? I just wonder what void it is filling in our lives? I personally dont have any major tragedies in my life. No abuse, or alcoholism, heinous deaths or otherwise. My life has always been balanced, relatively happy and free from "real" problems.

Have any of you ever observed this in yourself and asked a similar question?



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Matt Reese
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Posted: 2005-12-12 11:28 am   Permalink

A great man is one who in adulthood retains the heart of a child. At least that's the excuse I use.

 
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Kaiwaza
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Joined: Aug 06, 2003
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From: Waikiki Beach, Hawaii
Posted: 2005-12-12 11:58 am   Permalink

I've often thought about what you're asking. Personally, I have no spouse or children which, by necessity, DO take up a lot of time & concern. I collect Hawaiian/exotica music and am also involved with beauty pageants on a local & state level...two very escapist interests. For the life of me, I CAN NOT imagine how people function without some escapist pursuits on a regular basis...I'd blow my stack and feel that life has no meaning whatsoever.
I guess that's where this leads eventually..not to be too esoteric, but.....I guess we are searching for meaning in life and, as I don't particularly find ANY anywhere, really, I think it's pleasurable to fill our time with enjoyable pursuits that fill our minds with pleasant images. Perhaps other people find their meaning elsewhere (churches, community groups, family) and they don't need "filler." I need a lot of "filler" or it all seems rather pointless to even be here. The issue for me is always balancing hedonism with activities that will benefit others as well.


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spy-tiki
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Posted: 2005-12-12 12:19 pm   Permalink

We've simply been cursed with an imaginiation.

 
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Benehune
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Posted: 2005-12-12 12:46 pm   Permalink

And, we like to play.

 
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Monkeyman
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Posted: 2005-12-12 12:49 pm   Permalink

I really like your reply Kaiwaza. Sounds familiar...

 
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Thomas
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From: Lake Mojave
Posted: 2005-12-12 1:40 pm   Permalink

For me it's not a compartmentalized part of my life, as "escapism" suggests. I guess maybe there are two kinds of escapism, "sociological" and "chronological." As far as functioning in society, I don't tie a necktie or associate with any people with whom I would feel a need to hide my tastes and interests in tiki and things that are (for me, at least) "tiki-like." There's really no problem there and nothing to escape from in my opinion. However, I do like to cultivate environments in my home that obscure, sometimes obsessively, high (contemporary) technology. I just don't like the aesthetic of it -- it looks cold and suggests "work" even if it is consumer tech. (Translation: it isn't tiki!) So, I like the idea of "hiding" the audio components, for example, in an old-time stereo cabinet. TVs and PCs can reside in bamboo cover-up thingies until needed. Silly? Definitely. But for me, for whatever reason, tech. is "public" and cold. I want my home space to be both tiki and of an earlier, vaguely pre-hi-tech, time. In that ("chronological") way, I am escapist about it.

Tiki an escape from the world? I think it's the other way around. The world is an escape from tiki. It's important to be stubborn about these things. As Bogart said, "the problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind."


 
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midnite
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Posted: 2005-12-12 2:11 pm   Permalink

Too much escapism? Hmm, guess that depends upon what it is one is escaping. An antidote to life's day-today struggle is fine, an excuse to avoid responsibility...not so cool. Uh oh, kettle's on the phone for me, pot.

There's three kinds of people in this world:

Conformists, Activists, Escapists.

In the instant application I'd say many here are escapists manifesting that reality through the "Tiki" genre. Nonetheless, certain times one may play an activist role in the hope that more establishments could fulfill a preconceived notion of true "Tiki". In that regard, one would be a conformist.

In my own case, I am definitely [n]not[/b] an escapist. I am on parole for 2 more years. I did my time, square. The man ain't keeping down again.

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aikiman44
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Posted: 2005-12-12 5:21 pm   Permalink

You're only young once, but immature's forever!

 
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hiltiki
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Posted: 2005-12-12 6:58 pm   Permalink

Everyone needs passion. Without one you have nothing.

 
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tikipedia
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Posted: 2005-12-12 8:33 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2005-12-12 11:15, Monkeyman wrote:
Its no secret that TCers share many common interests beyond Tiki. It could be comic books, fantasy films, retro conventions, collectibles, fashion etc etc.


I apologize for any generalizations here, but it seems that there are two distinct kinds of Tiki aficionados. The first are creative and artistic folks. Shag is one of the better known persons of this group, but there are some really talented people on Tiki Central. These people enjoy Tiki for the aesthetic appeal.

The other group (myself included) seems to be more into the nostalgia. Somewhere in their past, Tiki was a part of their lives. Their enthusiasm seems rooted in trying to recapture that long gone time. But for both groups, Tiki is certainly an outlet for escapism.

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I wonder if they are missing out because they dont seek out more fantasy or if I am the one with the problem because I am not content living the responsibilities of life unless there is more entertainment value.

Is it immaturity? Is it an attention span prob?


People are not created equal, and that certainly applies to their level and need for imagination. IMHO, most people's imagination is limited to their own needs. Artists, composers, and authors are able to channel that imagination onto paper/canvas... or into Tikis!

We often hear about the reasons for failed marriages... infidelity, irreconcilable differences, etc. How much of this is caused by imagination incompatibility? One person may be able to direct that imagination into a romantic evening or something else , while their spouse is an imaginative dullard who only wants to watch TV. There is nothing immature or wrong with needing escapism. It's just too bad not everybody needs it.

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RevBambooBen
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Posted: 2005-12-12 8:43 pm   Permalink

Sorry, I shouldn't say anything. But stay Aloha!

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alohabros
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From: westernus
Posted: 2005-12-13 07:19 am   Permalink

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On 2005-12-12 20:43, RevBambooBen wrote:

Sorry, I shouldn't say anything. But stay Aloha!




... tiki porno may be considered escapism by some, though not by others... something that needs more research...


 
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Johnny Dollar
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From: Columbus, Ohiya
Posted: 2005-12-13 07:55 am   Permalink

i don't have time for escapism, i'm too busy eradicating the universe of venutian photon hellhounds from the back of my armored battle laser moth.
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Tikilicious
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Joined: Jun 11, 2004
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From: NYC
Posted: 2005-12-13 08:16 am   Permalink

Very interesting question you pose. I oftentimes wonder this myself. I am currently working on redecorating my apartment, and while people who come over really seem to love it, I can tell that many seem to think its a bit strange and extreme as well. In a fun way, but in a "weird" way.

I will allow everyone a tiny glimpse into my past and my personal life: Once a year, I really got to be a kid and have a great time! And have fun! It was every July, on our family vacation. We would find really great vintage motels to stay in, filled with furniture and decor that hadn't been renovated since the 1950s. We would hunt down ice cream stands along the road, housed in buildings that looked like actual ice cream cones! And would always pull over to see ridiculous and amazing roadside attractions. My father was (and still is) really into Easter Island, and dabbles in tiki. He doesnt know the name of this mug or that mug, but he will enjoy a great tiki drink at The Mai Kai with the best of them! And he has been to Easter Island, and has great stories to tell and photos and souveniers to show. So on these family vacations, he loved looking for the local tiki bar for us to dive into, and he would get me a virgin drink, with extra cherries in it. And a paper umbrella.

The point of my babbling is this: For me, I feel as if the quest for escapism that I seek, is a quest for reliving the summers of my childhood. The childhood that I only truly got to enjoy to the fullest every July of each year. Now, as an adult, I want to enjoy life to its fullest! So my home, my artwork, the things I love... they tend to remind me of this time in my life. This is why I love to collect these things. Photos and postcards of old vintage motels. I love rooms that LOOK like motels from inside... decorated like an old motel from the 50s. I love roadside attractions. Buildings that look like ice cream cones. Old diners that remind me of the ones we would stop into for lunch, to drink lemonade and iced tea from massively big mason jars. I love Wanda Jackson, because dad would play that on the radio as we drove along. I love to wear flowers in my hair, because on our family trips, mom would frequently tuck a flower into her hair and giggle a lot, watching dad and I race in the water while she would lay out to tan by the motel pool. Then we would splash her, and all burst out laughing, go in, shower, get dressed, and go out to another vintage diner for dinner. Another drive in movie. Another 1950s bowling alley. And even though it was the late seventies and early eighties, come July and our family summer vacations, it was always the 50s to me.

Anyhoo, I suspect we all have our own personal reasons for needing the escape. And why we are drawn to this as our own personal favorite means of it. I just unveiled mine. I dont know if its "right" or "wrong" of me to not be content with a furniture set from "Rooms To Go" or the like, all modern and matchy-matchy. I dont know if its really healthy or not that my walls have to be painted retro hues that remind me of the colors of old vintage beachside motels, and that my walls have tiki masks wearing fezzes all over them. Or that I cannot be content with a new flat-screen expensive fancy hang-on-the-wall tv like my "normal" neighbors have, because I like my old clunky one that I upolstered in zebra-print fabric. But it is what it is. And when I worried that it was a huge problem, that something might be WRONG with me... I told my therapist and she laughed. And then she told me about her lust for boomerang-themed furniture, and her collection of Elvis-on-velvet paintings. True story. lol!

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