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Ray's Mistake
ickytiki
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From: Orangevale, CA
Posted: 2012-01-17 07:09 am   Permalink

RAY'S MISTAKE (from LA)

1oz Lime Juice,
1oz Passion Fruit Juice
1 oz Rum,
1 oz Gin,
1 oz Pineapple Juice
1 oz Sweet ‘n’ Sour
1 oz Coconut Milk,
1 oz Guava Juice.
Shake vigorously, garnish with pineapple.



RAY’S MISTAKE (from Tiki Central)

1 oz Lime Juice
1 oz Passion Fruit Syrup
1 oz White Rum
1 oz Barton’s Gin
½ oz Pineapple Juice
½ oz Crème de Noyaux
2 Drops Vanilla Extract
1 oz Club Soda
Coruba Rum Float


Hmmm... Both recipes kinda similiar too!!!


 
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Registered Astronaut
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Posted: 2012-01-26 1:38 pm   Permalink

Rawim and IcyTiki
I think you're onto something with the Creme De Noyaux. When I watch them make the drink at tiki-ti I never see a creme de noyaux bottle come out, but then there is this whitish looking syrup/liquid which I originally presumed was simple syrup or orgeat, but perhaps this is actually white creme de Noyaux. I think this makes sense because I always thought that 2 syrups seemed excessive. A syrup and a liquer however is more in tune with a proper balance. I think the drink gets the red hue from the passion syrup because the red creme de Noyaux makes a drink that looks aggressively red like hawaiian punch.

Gin is a definite, and the cheaper the better if we're going for accuracy. A good gin may be a bit to bold in the mix. Coruba is mandatory for the float. I'm on the fence about the pineapple but I think a half ounce is the right measurement if it is indeed in the mix. The only thing I think is not in there would be vanilla extract because I don't see the Buhens dash anything out of a special bottle.


 
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Posted: 2012-01-26 2:16 pm   Permalink

Rays mistake was my very first drink when I went to the Tiki Ti for the first time. It was awesome!!!!! But my favorit is the 151 rum swizzle. I think about the Ti and that drink.
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Rawim
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Posted: 2012-01-27 12:01 pm   Permalink

Yeah, I think the Creme De Noyaux is in the mix.

I typically don't use Creme De Noyaux but I had an occasion to and I bought a bottle.

I made the drink (I think it was a creation for one of the tiki claientes) and as soon as I tasted the drink immediately I tasted something that reminded me of the Ray's Mistake.

I have often read or heard that the Ray's Mistake contains a hint of almond. And I think we just all assumed it was orgeat, completely forgetting Creme De Noyaux. Which I think was much more popular back in the day when the ray's mistake was created than today, where we obsess over hand crafted orgeats.

So conclusion: Creme De Noyaux in one of the syrups that goes into the mistake. I know we have confirmed passion fruit is a flavor. But the question is how is that flavor introduced. Is it with a passion fruit syrup or some passion fruit juice/concentrate.

And finally, we know coruba is floated, but the primary spirit is poured out of a clear bottle. I am not quite sold on gin being in the drink, and I believe others have asked and confirmed it is not, but you do read about "Botanicals" in the description. So I suppose the clear spirit poured for the drink rather then being the "well" white rum could be a mix of rum and gin. I am not sure. Maybe if I can bribe the wife I can do research Saturday.


 
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thePorpoise
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Posted: 2012-01-27 12:14 pm   Permalink

are any amber or yellow liqueurs used in the Mistake?

 
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Registered Astronaut
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Posted: 2012-01-27 1:05 pm   Permalink

Quote:

On 2012-01-27 12:01, Rawim wrote:

And finally, we know coruba is floated, but the primary spirit is poured out of a clear bottle. I am not quite sold on gin being in the drink, and I believe others have asked and confirmed it is not, but you do read about "Botanicals" in the description. So I suppose the clear spirit poured for the drink rather then being the "well" white rum could be a mix of rum and gin. I am not sure. Maybe if I can bribe the wife I can do research Saturday.



Rawim- Gin is definitely in the drink. In the past I have posted definitively that it is. There is no mystery here and I encourage research. I usually go to Tiki Ti wednesdays when they're running the 6 dollar rays mistake special and they pour really cheap (bartons or Taaka or Krista) Gin by the caseload into those Mistakes. What is interesting is that in this particular cocktail it lends a very nice note to the drink and encourages the other flavors rather than cutting through them. But I've been tracking/lurking this thread for a long time and I feel like the Noyaux discovery is as close as anybody has come to a long time to cracking the recipe so congrats on that.


 
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Rawim
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Posted: 2012-01-27 1:23 pm   Permalink

Astronaut,

I defer to you good sir on the Gin question and will now include some Gin in all future endeavors. Thank you for the thoughtful and kind correction.

I figure I probably miss the gin use since I am normally just so happy to be in the Ti, and it is almost always the first drink I have.

And then do we assume that the white rum is the base spirit and a only some gin is added?

And that the listing of the drink under rum is just a diversion?

Much experimenting must be done tonight in preparation for a hopeful trip tomorrow to the Ti.


 
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Rawim
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Posted: 2012-02-07 8:47 pm   Permalink

Okie dokie.

One thing I did notice during my last trip to the Ti was that the booze is seemingly dispensed out of much used bottles. Which leads me to think that the drink calls for a proprietary mix of white rum and gin. Where I think the gin is light, but enough to give that botanical edge.

I got to this tonight:

1 oz white rum (I was using Don Q)
1/2 oz gin (something not too overpowering, I used new Amsterdam)
1 1/2 oz Passion Fruit Syrup (I was using trader Tiki, all I had on hand) .
3/4 oz rich simple syrup
3/4 lime juice
1/4 oz creme de noyeux (Hiram walker)
3 drops vanilla extract (Mccormick brand)

Shake or mix

Add one ounce club soda to thin and add some bubbles then pour into tall glass

Top with 1/2 oz coruba

It isn't a mistake but I think I am in the same country. It is far darker due to the creme and it is probably too sweet, but I think it is progress. Give it a try folks let me know what you think. I am going to keep tweaking then when I go back to the Ti on the 25th for my birthday I will take more notes.

Have a good night all.


 
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ickytiki
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Posted: 2012-04-21 2:35 pm   Permalink

I had an epiphany today… I was thinking about the “Ray’s Mistake” today at work and remembered PiPhiRho’s post:

I have watched Mike mix this drink many times. It is always mixed from unmarked bottles, except for the coruba. the recipe is this:

- a pour of clear stuff from an unmarked bottle
- a pour of yellow stuff from an unmarked bottle
- a pour of red stuff from an unmarked bottle
- maybe something secret down below the counter
- a splash of soda water (as with almost all the drinks they make)
- Shake, pour and strain into a highball glass
- float with Coruba

It seems to me to be the best account of how the drink is made. And my thought that Creme de Noyaux might account for the almond flavor might be wrong. Then it hit me… Couldn’t Tiki Ti’s orgeat simply have almond extract in it? Why not, right?

So this would eliminate the Crème de Noyaux all together and bring back the right color to the drink as well!

-Red Stuff:
1 oz Passion Fruit Juice
-Clear Stuff:
1 oz White Rum
1 oz Barton’s Gin
-Yellow Stuff:
1 oz Lime Juice
1 oz Pineapple Juice
1 oz Orgeat (with drops of almond extract in the recipe)
1 oz Simple Syrup
-Splash of 1 oz Club Soda
-Float Coruba Rum


Plus this seems even more close to the only known recipe (from LA) that has been posted previously. However, you are replacing 'simple syrup' for the sweet 'n' sour and 'orgeat' for the coconut milk. I would guess that the average Joe wouldn't know about simple syrup and orgeat and would have innocently made those substitutions.

Man, I think this is getting close!

[ This Message was edited by: ickytiki 2012-04-22 18:51 ]


 
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Big Kahuna
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Posted: 2012-04-22 06:12 am   Permalink

This is great fun. Thanks to everybody for their sleuthing. Some of the recipes I've tried have been pretty darn tatsy. I've only had 2 Ray's Mistakes & really can't begin to decipher the recipe. I honestly hope we never get it right. I don't want to diminish the allure & mystery of the Tiki-Ti. Have you all noticed that Sven has been conspicuosly absent from this thread? He's probably Tiki-Ti's best & most knowledgeable TC customer. I'm sure he knows more than any of us, but is, respectfully, keeping his knowledge to himself, which can't be easy for Sven to do!

 
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Rawim
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Posted: 2012-04-23 08:01 am   Permalink

Yea, I always enjoy when this topic gets brought back up.

Plus I was down at the Ti Saturday and had another Mistake to further my ongoing research.

ickytiki:
In regards to PiPhiRho’s post I was vigilant in watching mistakes being made this last trip, and what i saw:

there is a pour from a well used liquor bottle

I assume this to be the special gin/white rum mixthey used

there is a pour of yellow/cream-ish colored stuff

I am actually thinking this is the passion fruit flavoring, the reason i say this is that I have been wondering where the Ti gets their passion fruit/mix/flavoring/juice from? I notice they use Finest Call products fairly openly. Their bloody mary mix, the grenadine, etc. So I am wondering then if they use the Finest Call Passion Fruit puree as their passion fruit flavoring. I don't think they use it at full strength as the stuff is much thicker and a bit darker then what is in the Ti's bottles but perhaps a 1:1 puree to water ratio. Just my current thoughts

there is a pour of red/browinsh liquid

this is a pretty common ingredient in a lot of tiki ti drinks the bottle gets called for a lot. the contents have laways looked more brown to me than red, but i am also partially color blind so I can't be held accountable. the question is what is in this flavoring? Is this where the almond flavor comes from? Is this maybe almond flavor comes from? also is this possibly where the lime flavor comes from too? is the lime juice mixed with other ingredients to make this mix? the main thing is that I don't think this is the passion fruit mix, as most passion fruit mixes and purees are yellow in color and not red with the exception of fee brothers and i don't think the ti uses fees

i am also pretty sure there is another pour of clear liquid from one of the mix bottles

I am guessing just simple syrup

mix with ice (They have four nice new mixers down there now, very nice and easy to clean.)

pour in glass, healthy float of coruba.

As far as my hypothesis on the creme de noyeax, the only reason i propose that over the orgeat, is that I just thought the drinks almond tasted more my it had the creme in it rather than orgeat. But after thinking through more, I do have to concede they probably do just use orgeat. In fact Finest Call does make an orgeat, I have not tried it yet, but i think something may reside there, perhaps a passion fruit/orgeat/water mix is the yellow/cream color mix?

Otherwise I like where you have gone with your recipe, but I really don't think there is any pineapple juice in the drink. I myself don't taste it, and most drinks with pineapple really foam up (Like the piankiller) and I don't see the Mistake foaming up that way.

The research continues!

Big Kahuna:

I completely agree. It is fun to just guess at what goes into the fabled drink. It certainty must be mysterious as even beachbum berry has not been able to reproduce the drink and that is pretty much what he does for a living now. Although there is rumor that there is one bartender who used to work in new york and now works here in LA that makes a very very close approximation of a Ray's Mistake. I have not been able to contact him yet, but I am trying.
In a way I don't think we will ever get it right, but it is fun to try and gives something to do in our home bars sunday through tuesday when we can't be at the tiki-ti.

Okole Maluna!


 
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thePorpoise
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Posted: 2012-04-23 08:29 am   Permalink

fwiw, the commercial passionfruit syrups i've seen are all either red or orangey.

 
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ickytiki
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From: Orangevale, CA
Posted: 2012-04-23 3:31 pm   Permalink

Hmmm...

So maybe:

1 oz Passion Fruit Syrup (Finest Call)
1 oz White Rum
1 oz Barton’s Gin
1 oz Lime Juice
1 oz Orgeat (with drops of almond extract in the recipe)
1 oz Simple Syrup
1 oz Club Soda
And a Float of Coruba Rum

Has a lot of 'classic' tiki ingredients and sounds delicious to me!!!


 
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Rawim
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Posted: 2012-04-23 3:59 pm   Permalink

thePorpoise:

true, most are orange or red. The red ones I have tried are pretty ghastly though. And admittedly from my mildly color blind perspective the Finest call passion fruit puree is pretty orange, so I can only guess it is watered down or mixed with something else. or yes they could be using a red passion fruit based syrup and passion fruit flavor comes from the brownish/reddish liquid.

ickytiki:

we may be close. if i remember the proportions of all the ingredients are pretty close. it think it is just a matter of figuring out the ratios in the mixes.

also have to be careful not to make the drink too sweet. which i think 1 oz of passion fruit syrup, orgeat and simple syrup may do.

hmmmmmm.


 
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djmont
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Posted: 2012-04-24 07:25 am   Permalink

Finest Call Passion Fruit Puree is a light orange color. Very similar to OJ, in fact. Also, I find it to be on the tart side, despite the sweeteners in it.

Is there such a thing as white/clear Creme de Noyaux? I've never seen or heard of any. (No, I'm not going to claim that's definitive.) One of the main features of Creme de Noyaux is its bright red color -- so you can make Pink Squirrels, etc.

It seems more likely they're using orgeat of one type or another.

One ounce of orgeat and one ounce of simple syrup sounds like a heavy pour. Although the passion fruit puree and lime juice would offset that.

I think those amounts are likely smaller. But I've never been to the Ti. Is this a really big drink?
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