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Bond, James Bond
spy-tiki
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Posted: 2007-06-14 5:07 pm   Permalink

Hoagy Carmichael. Bond looks like Hoagy Carmichael.

 
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The Gnomon
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Posted: 2007-06-15 12:52 pm   Permalink

Got so long-winded on the last one I forgot to mention a couple of things.

I liked all of the Connery productions. Among the rest, I probably liked OHMSS the best. I do, however, find it annoying when certain special effects are way off.

For example, in any outer space explosion the effects should never show any billowing. Billowing is something that requires an atmosphere. In a vacuum, explosions move in all directions with great uniformity, so the explosions should be mainly spherical. Of course, when there are variations in the energy being released, that would generate spikes or other effects on the spherical emanation. But the billowing effects immediately demonstrate that the explosion is not in outer space, even though the story says so.

A couple of special effects annoyances that I recall from OHMSS was that in the car chases the tires always screeched in the turns. That would be fine on dry pavement, but all of the chases were on snow-covered roads. Screeching not possible. Similarly, engine sounds and other road noise is muffled when there is two feet of snow on the ground. The car chases all sounded like they were on the streets of Monaco.

Another in OHMSS that really bothered me was when Bond is being chased by skiers and he manages to stop before going off a cliff with a 1000 foot drop. He trips the skier that was on his tail, sending him over the edge of the cliff. With a vantage point of looking over the edge of the cliff, we get to see the guy fall for several seconds and eventually hit the ground below. At the same instant that we see the guy hit the ground we hear him hitting the ground. That's another distracting impossibility. We should have seen him hit the ground and then heard him hit about a second later.

I'm assuming the studio pondered that issue and opted to go with the simultaneous sight and sound of hitting the ground. If they had made it more realistic, it probably would have confused a significant segment of the audience and/or come across as a funny mistake. The falling guy was screaming all the way to the ground. So if it was done with consideration for the speed of sound, after the guy hit the ground you'd still hear him screaming and about a second later you'd hear him hit the ground and stop screaming.

Gotta go now. Mind your Ms and Qs.


 
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DJ Terence Gunn
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Posted: 2007-06-15 2:08 pm   Permalink

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On 2007-06-15 12:52, The Gnomon wrote:
Got so long-winded on the last one I forgot to mention a couple of things.

I liked all of the Connery productions. Among the rest, I probably liked OHMSS the best. I do, however, find it annoying when certain special effects are way off.

For example, in any outer space explosion the effects should never show any billowing. Billowing is something that requires an atmosphere. In a vacuum, explosions move in all directions with great uniformity, so the explosions should be mainly spherical. Of course, when there are variations in the energy being released, that would generate spikes or other effects on the spherical emanation. But the billowing effects immediately demonstrate that the explosion is not in outer space, even though the story says so.

A couple of special effects annoyances that I recall from OHMSS was that in the car chases the tires always screeched in the turns. That would be fine on dry pavement, but all of the chases were on snow-covered roads. Screeching not possible. Similarly, engine sounds and other road noise is muffled when there is two feet of snow on the ground. The car chases all sounded like they were on the streets of Monaco.

Another in OHMSS that really bothered me was when Bond is being chased by skiers and he manages to stop before going off a cliff with a 1000 foot drop. He trips the skier that was on his tail, sending him over the edge of the cliff. With a vantage point of looking over the edge of the cliff, we get to see the guy fall for several seconds and eventually hit the ground below. At the same instant that we see the guy hit the ground we hear him hitting the ground. That's another distracting impossibility. We should have seen him hit the ground and then heard him hit about a second later.

I'm assuming the studio pondered that issue and opted to go with the simultaneous sight and sound of hitting the ground. If they had made it more realistic, it probably would have confused a significant segment of the audience and/or come across as a funny mistake. The falling guy was screaming all the way to the ground. So if it was done with consideration for the speed of sound, after the guy hit the ground you'd still hear him screaming and about a second later you'd hear him hit the ground and stop screaming.

Gotta go now. Mind your Ms and Qs.



No offense, but those are petty criticisms. One could easily take apart ANY film with special effects in them. Some films' special effects are of a higher budget than others, some more realistic than others, but none -- especially the ones with the more elaborate stunts, sets, demands (fantasy and sci-fi, for example), etc. -- are fully realistic and perfect. The whole concept of films is about the willing suspension of disbelief. Special effects are about 'effect', not necessarily realism. They're there to add something sensational.

Anyone with a working brain knows that there is no loud noise when someone gets punched in the face; that explosions in space make no sound; that lightning always precedes thunder, even if directly overhead. Effects artists know this. Annoyingly unrealistic, yes, but a punch without a loud noise, a silent explosion in space, and lightning unaccompanied by thunder at the same time isn't as sensational; isn't as effective or entertaining.

For me, films have always been about entertainment, not realism. I'm more concerned with the acting, the story, the dialogue, the music, and the style in which the film is done in, rather than the realism of the special effects and the credibility of the story or the world it is set in. However, I will agree that a great deal of special effects can detract from one's enjoyment of a film. But if the film is of any worth, best to overlook such things in favour of the things that make the film worth while.


 
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VampiressRN
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Posted: 2007-06-15 9:52 pm   Permalink

It is interesting to read about what men look at in these films. I never catch half of that stuff.

Guess I am too busy trying to take in all the great locations, vehicles, clothes, gadgets and Bond. In a way, I guess the foley artists really have the viewers trained to what they think as opposed to reality. I prefer to live in the make-believe.
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Posted: 2007-06-17 10:06 pm   Permalink

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On 2007-06-15 21:52, VampiressRN wrote:
It is interesting to read about what men look at in these films. I never catch half of that stuff.

Guess I am too busy trying to take in all the great locations, vehicles, clothes, gadgets and Bond. In a way, I guess the foley artists really have the viewers trained to what they think as opposed to reality. I prefer to live in the make-believe.




Now I feel bad because I look for the same stuff in the Bond flicks you, but I'm a guy. lol

Going back to some of the other posts. Roger Moore wasn't one of my favorite Bonds, but he wasn't a bad 007 either. I mean he was the first actor I saw in a Bond flick. That was "For Your Eyes Only." He made some really great movies as Bond. He also made a couple of clunkers. I just preferred the style and attiude that Connery and some of the others brought to the role. I do think he was too old by the time of "A View to a Kill." It was time for him to have retired from his tenure. I would have liked to have seen if Timothy Dalton could have done anything differently with the mess that was "AVTAK." Of course the movie had problems besides Moore. I don't think Tanya Roberts was one of the better Bond girls. Neither was Grace Jones. She makes Medusa love like a supermodel.

I do wish Lazenby had stayed on. "Diamonds Are Forever" is my least fav of the Connery Bond films. I don't think he should have come back. Plus this is during the time period that I think Connery was starting to look the worse. He didn't age well in his 40's.


 
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The Gnomon
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Posted: 2007-06-18 07:02 am   Permalink

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On 2007-06-15 14:08, DJ Terence Gunn wrote:
No offense, but those are petty criticisms.



Petty to some, not to me. You might be surprised to know that I ended up seeing OHMSS in the theater several times, in spite of the fact that the tires were screeching in the snow.


 
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VampiressRN
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Posted: 2007-06-18 7:13 pm   Permalink



Obviously for all the hiccups, looks like most of us watch for the genre of 007. I really liked Timothy Dalton and also Pierce Brosnan, and should they have had good scripts, I think would have done quite well. Interestingly enough I didn't really care for George Lazenby.

Last night TV was abominable, so I watched Casino Royale and also the extra DVD that had interviews, the Bond Girl documentary by Maryam d'Abo (one of my favorite Bond girls) and it also had a section about the stunts in CR....which I found fascinating. Has anyone watched that?
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roguespy007
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Posted: 2007-06-24 4:50 pm   Permalink

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On 2007-06-18 19:13, VampiressRN wrote:


Obviously for all the hiccups, looks like most of us watch for the genre of 007. I really liked Timothy Dalton and also Pierce Brosnan, and should they have had good scripts, I think would have done quite well. Interestingly enough I didn't really care for George Lazenby.

Last night TV was abominable, so I watched Casino Royale and also the extra DVD that had interviews, the Bond Girl documentary by Maryam d'Abo (one of my favorite Bond girls) and it also had a section about the stunts in CR....which I found fascinating. Has anyone watched that?




I'm more of a Sean Connery and Timothy Dalton fan. My bro is a Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan fan. I do think that Dalton and Brosnan both suffered in some of their films by having poor scripts, lame Bond villains, or no talent Bond girls.

I've got the book on Bond girls that Maryam d'Abo did. I love it. She's also one of my favorite Bond girls. "The Living Daylights" is one of my favorite 007 flicks.


 
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Posted: 2007-06-24 7:42 pm   Permalink

Here's a thought about the Bond films. I'm 50 now so I sort of grew up with it all. Everyone has their favorite films, Bonds, women, etc. and Bond fans can be a pretty critical bunch. What I noticed about myself anyway, was that after OHMSS (my favorite), no matter how silly they got, there were always things in each one that made the experience worthwile. It did start to seem like you went just for the one or two good parts, but Roger Moore running on the backs of aligators or Timothy Dalton waterskiing behind the plane, or...or...well I'm sure Pierce did something good...Those things were pretty fantastic! I'll also admit that I enjoy Roger Moore. I don't think the series would have survived some of those awful films if not for his... Roger Moore-ness. (Can you see even Connery saving something like Moonraker?)

I've always thought it was unfair to blame the actor for the films they were in. they didn't write them or direct them. What do you guys think?

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VampiressRN
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Posted: 2007-06-24 9:40 pm   Permalink

I agree....I think you said it well there. I am just glad that we have had so many good films and diversity that matches so many interests. I haven't watched the extras on the other dvds I have, but gonna do that, cause the backgrounds are very interesting. (insert small 007 gun logo here)
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Posted: 2007-06-26 09:11 am   Permalink

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On 2007-06-24 19:42, spy-tiki wrote:
I've always thought it was unfair to blame the actor for the films they were in. they didn't write them or direct them. What do you guys think?



That's what I meant when I said...

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On 2007-06-14 12:27, The Gnomon wrote:
As for Roger Moore, I both liked and disliked his portrayals, however, I do not really blame him for the shortcomings reflected on the silver screen.



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On 2007-06-24 21:40, VampiressRN wrote:
(insert small 007 gun logo here)



Done

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On 2007-06-24 21:40, VampiressRN wrote:
I agree....I think you said it well there. I am just glad that we have had so many good films and diversity that matches so many interests. I haven't watched the extras on the other dvds I have, but gonna do that, cause the backgrounds are very interesting.





 
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VampiressRN
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Posted: 2007-06-29 06:08 am   Permalink

Ooooooooh....where can I get that.....cute.
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Posted: 2007-06-29 09:07 am   Permalink

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On 2007-06-29 06:08, VampiressRN wrote:
Ooooooooh....where can I get that.....cute.




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roguespy007
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I've mentioned before here my favorite actors who played Bond. There were just certain guys that I preferred their interpretation of the role. That doesn't mean I don't like the other actors or their contributions to the franchise. I respect each of them. As far as the movies themselves, most of the blame should lie with the producers, etc. They are the ones who decide that direction the franchise is going in. Sometimes they've made the right choices and sometimes they've been way off.

I've been thinking lately about Bond theme music. Right now I'm listening to the "Best of Bond...James Bond." It has all the theme songs up til "The World Is Not Enough." Anybody else have this CD?

Also what are your favorite theme songs from the Bond franchise?


 
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DJ Terence Gunn
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Posted: 2007-07-08 1:11 pm   Permalink

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On 2007-07-07 16:58, roguespy007 wrote:

I've been thinking lately about Bond theme music. Right now I'm listening to the "Best of Bond...James Bond." It has all the theme songs up til "The World Is Not Enough." Anybody else have this CD?

Also what are your favorite theme songs from the Bond franchise?




I've had 'The Best Of James Bond 30th Anniversary Collection' 1 & 2 disc set since its release in the early 1990s. It goes as far as 'Licence To Kill' (which is a bit too far for my musical taste in Bond themes), and has some rareities like Anthony Newley's version of 'Goldfinger', Shirley Bassey's version of 'Kiss Kiss Bang Bang', a demo version of 'You Only Live Twice' (sung by an unrecognised singer), as well as some tracks from 'Goldfinger' that were -- at the time -- previously unreleased.

I also have all the Bond soundtracks on CD up through 'Moonraker', including some of the remastered and expanded ones released in 2003. Though 'A View To A Kill' was a terrific theme song and soundtrack, I don't care much for the Bond music (or films) of the 1980s onward.

Favourites Bond themes and Bond music from the 1960s (I'll do the 1970s later):

1. 'The James Bond Theme' (of course!)
(Incidentally, for those of you who still don't know, John Barry wrote the theme, but Monty Norman was credited for it, as Barry was paid to write it with the credits going to Norman. Barry got 200 pounds for it, and had to write it quickly over a weekend. Norman's version of the Bond theme can be heard on the 'Dr. No' soundtrack -- the only Bond soundtrack he scored/performed -- on track 17. This lame Bond theme is the reason Barry was called upon. Vic Flick's signature guitar sound and riffs can be heard in a couple pre-Dr. No John Barry Seven songs -- further proof of Barry's claim to the composition.)

2. 'From Russia With Love': both the instrumental version and the Matt Monro sung version. Also off the soundtrack and in further Bond soundtracks, the secondary James Bond Theme, '007', as well as 'James Bond With Bongos'.

3. 'Goldfinger': Shirley Bassey vocal version, as well as the rockin' and rippin' instrumental off the soundtrack. Also off the soundtrack 'Bond Back In Action', 'Dawn Raid On Fort Knox', 'The Laser Beam', and 'Pussy Galore's Flying Circus'.

5. 'Thunderball': Tom Jones vocal version and the light cocktail instrumental version. Also off the soundtrack 'Into Miami', 'Switching The Body', '007', and 'Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang'.

6. 'You Only Live Twice': Nancy Sinatra vocal version. Also off the soundtrack 'Capsule In Space' (another theme that was used in several subsequent Bond films), 'Tanaka's World', 'Mountains And Sunsets', and 'James Bond -- Astronaut'.

7. 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' (the BEST Bond soundtrack!): Main Theme. Also off the soundtrack 'This Never Happened To The Other Feller', 'Try', 'Ski Chase', 'We Have All The Time In World (Instrumental)', 'Over And Out', 'Journey To Draco's Hideaway', 'Gumbold's Safe' (quite possibly my favourite incidental Barry Bond composition!), 'Bond Settles In', 'Bond Meets The Girls', 'Sir Hillary's Night Out', and 'Escape From Piz Gloria'




 
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