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teaKEY
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|  Posted: 2006-04-18 05:05 am Permalink
Something is strange about that Mark painting. Its probably actually harder to make a copy of something because their is only one right look. And the colors would take 500% more time to mix to match. Its too dead on. But it would still be nice to own. Maybe.
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aikiman44
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| Posted: 2006-04-18 06:41 am Permalink
As long as the original/prints are not availabe, and this is labeled a copy, I don't see a problem with it. There's no competition with the original artist who's selling originals. Of course it's not labeled, I guess they're afraid. Anyway, this would look great in my almost done lounge/bar, so I'm bidding!
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hewey
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| Posted: 2006-04-18 07:45 am Permalink
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On 2006-04-18 06:41, aikiman44 wrote:
As long as the original/prints are not availabe, and this is labeled a copy, I don't see a problem with it. There's no competition with the original artist who's selling originals. Of course it's not labeled, I guess they're afraid. Anyway, this would look great in my almost done lounge/bar, so I'm bidding!
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As an artist (a crap one, but an artist just the same), I have big issues with this. Some guy has put hard yards into making great pieces of art and extending his skill so some turkey can copy it and sell it for their own measly profit. They make no attempt at all to mention it is a reproduction (read rip off).
This guy is stealing. Buying stuff from him endorses that behaviour. That aint right.
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hewey
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| Posted: 2006-04-18 08:04 am Permalink
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On Apr-18-06 at 05:50:49 PDT, seller added the following information:
This is a copy of Mark Ryden's Exotica. It is not an exact copy. To compare this to Mark Ryden's work, you can do a web search for "Mark Ryden Exotica". Even though this is a partial copy, it is an amazing work of art. Guaranteed to liven up any room, lounge, or party.
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On Apr-18-06 at 06:17:45 PDT, seller added the following information:
This is a picture Mark Ryden's "Exotica". He is indeed THE master and hopefully will be flattered and not insulted by my copy here on eBay.
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Im gonna try and get into contact with Mark Ryden and see how flattered he is...
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hewey
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| Posted: 2006-04-18 08:08 am Permalink
Pizz copies anyone? Yep, the same seller. Apparently not a guy just getting rid of his own copy, which he originally painted because he wanted a cheap version...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Low-Brow-Pop-Art-Oil-Paintings-Pizz-Copy-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ7407825412QQcategoryZ20135QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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foamy
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From: The Land of Pleasant Living
| Posted: 2006-04-18 08:40 am Permalink
Nevermind. It's all very sad.
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aikiman44
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| Posted: 2006-04-18 09:03 am Permalink
I'm a modeler and I do not buy recasts of currently selling kits because I won't rip off the original artist. I think it's the same priciple here. Since the Exotica print is not available from Ryden or his representatives, or selling anywhere, is this ripping off the artist? As this copy is not in competition with the artist's originals, I don't think there's a downside. Again, the seller should say this is a 'copy' of Ryden's Exotica and give credit where credit's due. Aside from that, is this an 'illegal' copy? What is the law in these cases?
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foamy
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From: The Land of Pleasant Living
| Posted: 2006-04-18 09:59 am Permalink
Copyright infringement might be an issue in a court of law. Granted, I noticed they changed subtle elements in the Ryden piece, but I don't think that would stand up in court, if it ever came to that. The seller didn't mention or give credit to the original artist until it was mentioned to them. They don't say who painted it. Embarrassed, I guess. Whoever is doing it has skills—lots. What happened to their own creativity and imagination that they have to copy set pieces? It's a money thing. An easy way out. With me, it's an honor thing. You don't copy and market a living artist's work. It's just wrong. It's one of the reasons why prints of noted artists fetch good prices on ebay. When they're sold out, you have to pay what the market will bear.
Let's suppose I closely copied one of Miles most noted works (if I could) and threw it up on ebay. How would people on this board react then? What do you think Miles would have to say?
Once again, it's probably just me.
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aikiman44
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| Posted: 2006-04-18 1:00 pm Permalink
You make some good points, anyway, it's been removed from eBay.
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hewey
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| Posted: 2006-04-19 04:45 am Permalink
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On 2006-04-18 13:00, aikiman44 wrote:
You make some good points, anyway, it's been removed from eBay.
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Yep, I have had messages from both Mark Ryden's people and The Pizz himself, and both are taking action. The Pizz pieces are still up, but don't expect them to be there long. The Pizz had a great laugh at it actually, and commented that they actually might be better than the originals 
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Gigantalope
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From: Shinola, California
| Posted: 2006-04-19 06:43 am Permalink
The worst is when people try to Rip-Off the cutting edge style and panache of..."The Painter of Light"
Nobody captures the tru-life details of pixie cottages in forests like him. You can tell each one is a serious collectors piece, because it sez so.
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